sample images from oly OM-D EM5....

I was dead set on the nex 5n, until I saw these sample images here

http://robinwong.blogspot.com/2012/03/olympus-om-d-e-m5-review-bukit-bintang.html

and dpreview studio comparison tool of the nex5n vs. oly OM-D EM5.

are my noob eyes deceiving me? does the oly perform better at high iso then the nex 5n?

now I dont know which one to get!! what are your thoughts on the OM-D EM5?

I didnt want to ask this in the olympus forum, because I know what their answer will be....

The EM5 with kit lens is over 2x more than the 5N and kit lens. The question is it is 2x better than the 5n.

yairmarx said:

I was dead set on the nex 5n, until I saw these sample images here

http://robinwong.blogspot.com/2012/03/olympus-om-d-e-m5-review-bukit-bintang.html

and dpreview studio comparison tool of the nex5n vs. oly OM-D EM5.

are my noob eyes deceiving me? does the oly perform better at high iso then the nex 5n?

now I dont know which one to get!! what are your thoughts on the OM-D EM5?

I didnt want to ask this in the olympus forum, because I know what their answer will be....

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right, i did notice on amazon, it was $1100 with one of the kit lenses...

i guess i was confused because i assumed since the nex has a much bigger sensor, it would always perform better in low light then the m4/3 cameras. was that a wrong assumption? jeez I have so much to learn about photography....

I like all the mirrorless cameras for various reasons, and those pictures are very good. Excellent photographer. Get the camera that helps you get the photographs you want and gets in the way your vision the least.

That being said, the NEX 5n will be better at high ISO than the OM-D, but the OM-D definitely looks better from previous m4/3 Olympus cameras.

As a system, m4/3 has a very strong set of lenses as all the Panasonic lenses work as well. Sony has gathered the attention of third parties now and will be getting more and more lenses. They seem to have captured a huge percentage of the market now they just need to hold onto those buyers.

I like the OM-D very much, but I like NEX cameras as well.

Eric
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I was not impressed, If you were there with a 5n you would have done the same thing. Don't let the environment dictate your choice of camera. He was there, you were not. He had the opportunity to shoot those images , you did not ..... that has NOTHING to do with the 5n's ability to do the same things , it's advertizing !

wll

yairmarx said:

right, i did notice on amazon, it was $1100 with one of the kit lenses...

i guess i was confused because i assumed since the nex has a much bigger sensor, it would always perform better in low light then the m4/3 cameras. was that a wrong assumption? jeez I have so much to learn about photography....

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The 5n is still the better sensor I think, but honestly, does the OM-D perform up to your requirements? Sensor performance has little to do with photography, and more to do with people striving for the best gear, but not necessarily taking good photographs.

That guy will sell many OM-D cameras, but it is not the camera that is great. He is a great photographer with a camera that performs well enough for how he uses it (referring to a few of the low light shots towards the end).

Eric
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I never saw an ugly thing in my life: for let the form of an object
be what it may - light, shade, and perspective will always make it
beautiful. - John Constable (quote)

See my Blog at: http://www.erphotoreview.com/ (bi-weekly)
Flickr Photostream: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28177041@N03/ (updated daily)

the OM-D looks good but i do not see its IQ better than the NEX5N. I considered the OM-D and saw the Robin Wong pictures. All great. But i decided to get the Nex(7) because i liked the built in EVF and flash. And overall I think at this point Sony has the best sensors. Not by a mile but they are still ahead.
After using the Nex7 I am really happy with the choice.

I do believe though that the OM-D is a good choice. Potentially a slightly more robust body (although the Nex7 has a pretty good body) and better lens choices today.

yairmarx said:

I was dead set on the nex 5n, until I saw these sample images here

http://robinwong.blogspot.com/2012/03/olympus-om-d-e-m5-review-bukit-bintang.html

and dpreview studio comparison tool of the nex5n vs. oly OM-D EM5.

are my noob eyes deceiving me? does the oly perform better at high iso then the nex 5n?

now I dont know which one to get!! what are your thoughts on the OM-D EM5?

I didnt want to ask this in the olympus forum, because I know what their answer will be....

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viking79 said:

viking79 said:

i guess i was confused because i assumed since the nex has a much bigger sensor, it would always perform better in low light then the m4/3 cameras. was that a wrong assumption? jeez I have so much to learn about photography....

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The 5n is still the better sensor I think, but honestly, does the OM-D perform up to your requirements? Sensor performance has little to do with photography, and more to do with people striving for the best gear, but not necessarily taking good photographs.

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Right. Until fairly recently, m43 sensors suffered mostly in their ability to capture wide dynamic range. That's getting a bit better, and this new Oly sensor has yet to be tested. (One site - techradar or something like that - had a test that suggested its actually beating APS-C in this regard, but I don't know if that site is reputable). Anyway, the sensor is smaller, but not that much smaller. Given equal sensor technologies, APS-C should always outperform it, but to a degree that you're going to need to pixel peep to see. Is the Oly better ? Who knows ... we'll have a better idea when some tests appear. But meanwhile, it's clearly competent and this allows you to decide based on factors other than image quality.

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What kind of photography do you do? I think you'll be fine with the NEX5n and some nice lenses. Having a bigger sensor is still better and gives you more depth of field that people like. High ISO performance looks pretty close but I still think the 5n is better in that department. The 5n cost lesser so you'll have more $$ to buy lenses with
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I only shoot JPEG =]

Note his cryptic comment about Oly sharpening. I think what he is getting at is that Oly jpeg engine seems to get some of its extra sharpness by what I think is over sharpening of the jpegs. If you are into really big prints, I suspect that the sensor size of the Sony will start to show its advantages. If you aren't, I don't think the Sony sensor is perceptibly better. Lightroom 4 has also changed the game. Its abiliuty to drag out shadow and highlight details is extraordinary. The OMD seems to be a fine camera but it really is a competitor for the Nex7, not the 5n. About the only sifnificant issue I see with it are the problems some users report with handling because of the button size/placement on the OMD. The button/menu system of the Nex has its problems as well.

I decided on the 5n just before the OMD specs/reports came out. I'm happy with the 5n. One of my considerations was that lenses for the 5n allow me to uograde to the Nex7 should i wish in time. Biggest consideration was the ease of using mf lenses with focus peaking on the 5n. I also love the Twilight mode and pana modes on the Nex cameras.
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The Oly E-M5 review will supposedly be out late next week on DPR. The "compare" feature will allow those who are interested to see how it stacks up against the 5N. I tend to put more stock into the reviews DPR does, than other sites. YMMV.
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Digital Rev released a video the other day comparing the NEX-7, EM5 and Fuji X-Pro1 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRyQU6XCQt0 ). There are some high ISO comparisons and the 7 and EM5 are fairly indistinguishable with the NEX edging the EM5 out according to the commentators. However, the X-Pro1 was a different story. At very high ISO the picture was virtually noiseless. Pretty cool stuff. Made me think twice before dismissing non-NEX options.

yairmarx said:

I was dead set on the nex 5n, until I saw these sample images here

http://robinwong.blogspot.com/2012/03/olympus-om-d-e-m5-review-bukit-bintang.html

and dpreview studio comparison tool of the nex5n vs. oly OM-D EM5.

are my noob eyes deceiving me? does the oly perform better at high iso then the nex 5n?

now I dont know which one to get!! what are your thoughts on the OM-D EM5?

I didnt want to ask this in the olympus forum, because I know what their answer will be....

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The OMD by all accounts is a great m4/3 camera. I expect that the DPR review will be all good with that. Great lens line up, IBIS, etc. Very nice. Seems to be a few complaints about handling though, so try it in the hands and the buttons on it first IMO. There is nothing worse than having a great camera, but not liking what it feels like.

Now that guy there with his shots and review, remember the NEX could take those fairly easy and this guy Robert Wong said that the focus peaking on the NEX was useless.................. I can tell you right now, he is totally wrong and makes me wonder if he has even tried it let alone set it up. So I'm dubious as to his review with users in mind.

Personally I don't have a use for IBIS, high ISO's, features, etc, but realise it means a lot to others. So you need to weigh those up. I guess at the end of the day it comes down to whats there that you need. Does NEX have the lenses you can use, do you need IBIS. Really thats all thats in it.

IQ, well I would wait to see what DPR comes up with in a review. I would guess and say that the Oly is darn good, maybe less noise at the sacrifice of details.....maybe.

Not easy huh .

All the best and good luck with this.

Danny.

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m4/3 macro
http://www.macrophotos.com/g2macro

m4/3 feathered flying gadgets
http://www.macrophotos.com/avian/avian.html

Worry about the image that comes out of the box, rather than the box itself.

well, i am coming from a point and shoot and wanted the low light abilities of dslr, without the bulk of carrying a dslr. thats what drew me to the nex line and the nex5n. I will be taking some outdoor shots, but most will probably be indoors, bars, restaurants, parties, etc. lighting will not always be optimal. i was sold on the nex5n, but then I heard about OM-D and used dpreview's studio comparison tool (which is awesome btw, thank you dpreview) and to my untrained noob eyes, the OM-D looked better at higher iso's.

so i was surprised and disappointing, because its also $400-$500 more than the nex5n on amazon.

so now, i dont know what to do.... i guess I have a lot more reading to do...

yairmarx said:

well, i am coming from a point and shoot and wanted the low light abilities of dslr, without the bulk of carrying a dslr. thats what drew me to the nex line and the nex5n. I will be taking some outdoor shots, but most will probably be indoors, bars, restaurants, parties, etc. lighting will not always be optimal. i was sold on the nex5n, but then I heard about OM-D and used dpreview's studio comparison tool (which is awesome btw, thank you dpreview) and to my untrained noob eyes, the OM-D looked better at higher iso's.

so i was surprised and disappointing, because its also $400-$500 more than the nex5n on amazon.

so now, i dont know what to do.... i guess I have a lot more reading to do...

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To my eyes the 5n still looks better, especially in RAW, but we have reached the point where these differences don't matter anymore, and you should pick other factors when deciding.

I agree that today, all these new cameras : nex 5N, nex 7, OM5, fuji xpro...

and that'd great ; so we now may choose thank's to own lens set, budget and ergonomy

for me, nex 7 still is the good choice thank's to it's 24 mp, flipping screen and tri navy

I'm sold to 5N for exactly the same reason as yours. Plus CV 35mm F1.2 V2 and the helicoid adapter, my damage was one level higher.

I've been reading a lot of articles about EM5, but I can't conclude anything yet until I see the RAW comparison with 5N. For now, all I know is that the EM5's JPEG engine is darn good.
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dansenor1 said:

I agree that today, all these new cameras : nex 5N, nex 7, OM5, fuji xpro...

and that'd great ; so we now may choose thank's to own lens set, budget and ergonomy

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Wait! There's more than low light ISO. There's dynamic range (DR) and colour depth. M4/3 sensors have always lagged behind APS-c sensor as to dynamic range and colour depth.

When DXOmark publishes its results will see if Olympus have catched up to APC-s. But then there's this new 18mp sensor that Sony will be introducing with the Nex-F3 which may or may not be a step aheadof the sensor in the Nex-5n.

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Jogger said:

The EM5 with kit lens is over 2x more than the 5N and kit lens. The question is it is 2x better than the 5n.

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The 5N with the OLED VF (700+350) is close in price as the E-M5 and kit lens (1100). There is also a package for the E-M5 with a more expensive lens too.

I will also say the the new IBIS is everything as advertised. Jaw dropping amazing. It is crazy in video too because if you handhold while walking, there is NO up and down movement. It looks like a professional video with a steady cam.
My bet is if anyone tries this new IBIS, they will fall in love.

villebon said:

dansenor1 said:

I agree that today, all these new cameras : nex 5N, nex 7, OM5, fuji xpro...

and that'd great ; so we now may choose thank's to own lens set, budget and ergonomy

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Wait! There's more than low light ISO. There's dynamic range (DR) and colour depth. M4/3 sensors have always lagged behind APS-c sensor as to dynamic range and colour depth.

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In real life those differences almost never matter. Plus because of the IBIS you can often shoot at a lower ISOs which gives you more DR and color range.

I'll quit posting for now, but the Oly IBIS is a game changer. I have had Sony DSLRs/SLTs with IBIS for years, but this is a step up.