why MAC?

But lets look at Apple. Motorola 80procerssor, ooops, then powerpc chip... ooops, now, they ae PC hardware and boxes. How many OS mistakes before they got it right? Now they are PCs with a Unix based OS.
Motorola 68K and PowerPC were unquestionably not mistakes. They were much better chips than what Intel had at the time.
It's just hilarious how want us to believe that Dell, HP and others are just in it for the good of mankind...that was the best one yet. What are you smoking?
They get computers in to the hands of the people. Apple gets mac into about 6 percent of the people who own computers. Reasonable priced products is what they are about, and they deliver.
You don't understand what market share numbers actually mean.
Just as Volvo, BMW, Mercedes and similar don't cater to the Kia and Hyundai markets.
So Nikon and Canon are not about status? How about Pentax, Olympus etc. The cheaper struggling manufacturers that are just in it for the good of mankind.
There may be an element here on DPR that think a camera could be a sybol of status, Neither Nikon or Canon market that way. There cameras are competitively priced. In the same category, one camera is not near double the price of antoher.
You only see what you want to see. Canon fans used to say how the 5D was as good as the Nikon D3x but at less than half the price because it had 21 megapixels versus 24, ignoring every other spec about the D3x. The Nikon D3x was comparable in specs to the similarly priced Canon 1Ds series, not the 5D.

Canon fans also liked to point out how the 5D had nearly twice the pixels as the 12 megapixel Nikon D700 at about the same price, ignoring that the D700 had far better specs (faster and more capable autofocus, faster frame rate, much better high ISO, etc.).
 
What is your point? What do you want to prove? That you like Blue and people that like Black are wrong?
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Mikael
Wrong is subject. But I wasn't trying to prove one was better than the other. All I said was that Apple produces computers that are almost always more expensive and at times near double the price but also have missing features like a Blue ray player, half the memory installed, half the amount of memory supported, two drivebays, finger print reader etc.

There is no better reason to own an Apple than you simply want one. But to then try to justify it saying it is a superior computer and everything else is sub par is not realistic.

Apple makes a good computer, and you are going to pay for it, but there are alternative at near half the price which perform as well, will run photoshop as well and even faster when you can afford to have more memory or and SSD in the second drive bay and basically trounce an Apple in performance at the apple price point.

In my example in the previous post, for 1000 dollars more, you could install 3rd party SSD $200, and have a computer that would stomp the mac with an SSD and double the memory. and have enough money left over to purchase 2 usb3 cf card readers and a second 17" HP I5 quad core laptop for $749 as a backup or for your wife to make her happy.

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_can_series.do?storeName=computer_store&category=notebooks&a1=Category&v1=High+performance&series_name=dv7t_series&jumpid=in_R329_prodexp/hhoslp/psg/notebooks/High_performance/dv7t_series

Or increase the memory to 16gb for 240 dollars from 3rd party, get bigger SSD and spindle drives or buy new camera gear.

Is it wrong to buy your wife a fast I5 laptop computer when you buy yourself a new I7 laptop and spend the same money you would on a single mac I7 laptop? Like I said, wrong is subjective.
 
Richard what's the daft obsession with Blu-ray? Is it you're just think its a big selling point to have one built in rather than pay £40 for an external?
Not an obsession. Apple does not want to support an accepted standard for video and storage.
Actually, Apple is all about standards (MPEG, h.264, MP3, AAC, etc.), unlike Microsoft who comes up with their own proprietary formats (e.g., Windows Media).
But why is Apple resisting Blue Ray.
Not enough demand and the licensing is an issue too.
I think they are trying to push highly compressed streaming video to your laptop or computer and call it HD. But it looks no better than DVD quality and is even more compressed. You see mpeg artifacts, blockyness areas of blurryness, but they still call it high def. But if you pay all that extra money for an expensive display on a mac laptop and you watch a movie, the best quality comes from blue ray and if you hook that laptop to a projector or big screen tv you will see the difference between the streamed "hd" movie and a blue ray.
You said people can't tell the difference between a high and low quality display, amd then you say they can tell the difference between BluRay and DVD? Seriously?
It's not a particularly good as a disc storage medium, in fact physical disks aren't really an issue for most folks–my next machine won't have one for the rare occasion I need them connecting an additional burner would be fine.
I have heard this before and laugh a little bit. Maybe that will work for you, but if you a consumer and want to load microsoft office, how are you going to do it in a reasonable mount of time? What about games that span mulitple DVDs I have 20mbit from Century Link, and 24mb from 4g verizon at my house still programs that are 1 or 2 dvds take forever to download. Some people in many areas don't have this speed.
How often do you do install multi-gigabyte apps? Plug in a DVD or BluRay drive and install the software, then you no longer need the optical drive. Most software is nowhere near that big and it's normally downloaded. Even Microsoft agrees and is going to have an app store with Windows 8.
It is just an option, one that Mac does not have at the store because they try to control you and the industry as to what they think you should have.
Nonsense. People are free to buy whatever they want.
When a format become obsolete, it will fall away, just like floppy disks did. And maybe someday when a 32gb usb drive becomes $1 then blue ray will go away. 8gb usb drives are about 5 to 7 dollars, but I bet they are not making much money on them. But the time will come when disk media will go away.

But when a 4.7gb dvd disk is 20cents, I don't see it going away anytime soon. And if I am going to own a movie, I am going to want it on a disk, not a compressed streamed format. If I own the movie on BR or DVD, I can rip it to a smaller size to fit on my Android phone or my touchpad.
It's going away sooner than you think.
 
Not an obsession.
I beg to differ, you're obsessed.
Apple does not want to support an accepted standard for video and storage.
It supports it and is a founder member of the blu ray alliance.
The Accept DVD and include it on nearly every one of their computers. You can watch a DVD on your Apple or PC and both market it as media. But why is Apple resisting Blue Ray.
Because it's not a feature people want, they watch blue ray on TV not computers,
I think they are trying to push highly compressed streaming video to your laptop or computer and call it HD.
Bingo! it is HD 180P over H2.64 exactly the same as BR sans the physical media!
But it looks no better than DVD quality and is even more compressed.
Wrong it can be equal to blu ray and because it uses the same codec is just as good.
You see mpeg artifacts, blockyness areas of blurryness, but they still call it high def.
Rubbish, I author 1080 over H264 without that, BR is just a disk format-the contained video is the same!
But if you pay all that extra money for an expensive display on a mac laptop and you watch a movie, the best quality comes from blue ray and if you hook that laptop to a projector or big screen tv you will see the difference between the streamed "hd" movie and a blue ray.
You're a little 'out there' aren't you!!
A blueray HD move is many GBs, but for Apple they compress it down and call it good.
You're confused, the H264 quicktime codec is EXACTLY the same as BR, there is no difference, you may have seen streamed HD content that has been compressed because of internet transport, but perfectly OK for the small devices intended.
You can buy a 25gb disk for $1 each. Sure, you can buy an external harddrive $100 for 1tb, but I am not going to give that drive to someone. I don't mind giving a 1 dollar disk away. So it is a good feature to have.
Eh? thats stupid, Drives are for long term storage right! Who in their right mind would give their photos to a client on a BR disk? I ftp mine–BR is plain dumb for the use you sate.
It's not a particularly good as a disc storage medium, in fact physical disks aren't really an issue for most folks–my next machine won't have one for the rare occasion I need them connecting an additional burner would be fine.
I have heard this before and laugh a little bit. Maybe that will work for you, but if you a consumer and want to load microsoft office, how are you going to do it in a reasonable mount of time?
Laugh all you want the joke is on you, most IT departments use ISO disk images, I just download and install it's quick – BR is a non starter for this kind of thing.
What about games that span mulitple DVDs I have 20mbit from Century Link, and 24mb from 4g verizon at my house still programs that are 1 or 2 dvds take forever to download. Some people in many areas don't have this speed.
What about it? sheesh are you really serious?
You seem to miss out that most people use BRD in home cinema type situations, it give no real benefits on something like a laptop where burning 50gb image files would be rare, slow and quixotic experience compared to using external storage.
How many cinema systems have as nice a display as your mac laptop? Are you willing to give external storage devices away and not get them back, but a 1 dollar disk is nothing.
You joke? How many cinema displays have as nice disp.. oh come on son do you think I'm going to get a group of people round to watch a film on an 11" Macbook?
That's retarded, like your argument.
I haven't sent a client a disk in years? come into the 21st century!!
Blu-ray is just a disk format, one you can burn on a Mac if (and I can't see why you want to be daft enough too) you wanted to make 50GB 'back ups on disc.

It's best use though is a carrier for compressed video in home theatre, which is what it was designed for and its core use.
Then why do all computers and laptops (with decent displays) all have either DVD or Blue ray or the option for BR if that were true.
They don't you just live in an alternate reality.
It is just an option, one that Mac does not have at the store because they try to control you and the industry as to what they think you should have.
People buy what they want sonny-don't forget that!
When a format become obsolete, it will fall away, just like floppy disks did. And maybe someday when a 32gb usb drive becomes $1 then blue ray will go away. 8gb usb drives are about 5 to 7 dollars, but I bet they are not making much money on them. But the time will come when disk media will go away.
What? are you on about?
But when a 4.7gb dvd disk is 20cents, I don't see it going away anytime soon. And if I am going to own a movie, I am going to want it on a disk, not a compressed streamed format. If I own the movie on BR or DVD, I can rip it to a smaller size to fit on my Android phone or my touchpad.
I own them and play them on TV where they look best, BR on a Mac is possible if you want it, I don't I'll guess most don't either_all apart from you MR PC Blu ray evangelist.

Richard, I'm seriously worried about you and won't ever reply to you again-god bless you.
 
There is no better reason to own an Apple than you simply want one.
I'll bet that just about everyone else on this forum has significant experience using both Mac's and PC, except for you.

THe reason I moved from PC to a Mac, back in the days of XP, was that I was having persistent and annoying network problems with my home setup. As soon as I moved, I effortlessly had my printer (before the days of network-ready printers) networked, my stereo networked...I even had my digital temperature controller for my charcoal bbq networked. Sure I could have eventually done this with a PC, and maybe even solved my dropouts problem, but after how long and after how much learning about stuff I have no time or interest in figuring out?

The last straw was when I was delivering a presentation on my PC, and mid-presentation my PC started to shut down Powerpoint to do an operating system update. PC users happily report that their PC is as fast as the day they bought it - all they have to do is a fresh install of their operating system every 6 months to keep it that way.

Mac users spend less time troubleshooting, maintaining and fixing their machines than do PC users. That is a real advantage to some people.
 
not to mention, periphials/software are always less and there are a lot more choices.
Wrong. The same peripherals work on both, so no price difference nor any difference in choice.
Really? Do USB 3 work at superspeed on a mac?
They do if you add a USB 3 card, and if you don't, they work just fine at USB 2 speeds.
Oh yes, you need and express card and and another "adapter"
How well do Thunderbolt devices work on a PC? Oh right, they don't at all .
You are right, it doesn't work, is it worth 1000 dollars more?

Only you can answer that but there are a whole lot of USB3 peripherals out on the market, because it is a computer standard for all computers except Mac.They work at USB2 speed on a Mac, but on a PC they work alot fast, for 1000 dollars less. LOL
 
There is no better reason to own an Apple than you simply want one.
I'll bet that just about everyone else on this forum has significant experience using both Mac's and PC, except for you.
I think you mean 5 to 6 percent because that is the market share the Mac has. So it is very likely that most of the people on this site own PCs. I also find a lot of mac users have a PC as a backup system because it does things the mac doesn't do. At leas that is what the honest ones say.
THe reason I moved from PC to a Mac, back in the days of XP, was that I was having persistent and annoying network problems with my home setup.
I still have xp systems in my home that have no network problems, perhaps the problem was your inability to learn your tool.
The last straw was when I was delivering a presentation on my PC, and mid-presentation my PC started to shut down Powerpoint to do an operating system update
So you don't know how to turn automatic upadtes off, Yes, you are a good candidate for mac.

PC users happily report that their PC is as fast as the day they bought it - all they have to do is a fresh install of their operating system every 6 months to keep it that way.

As a PC user, you need to know about the registry and registry bloat. Make a backup of your system, install all your test software, then restore instead of uninstalling and leving resistry entries, or use a tool to eliminate registry bload.
Mac users spend less time troubleshooting, maintaining and fixing their machines than do PC users. That is a real advantage to some people.
To some degree that is true and it is an advantage to some people.Good for mac, it needs some advantages to justify the extra cost. Not only on the PC but the software teh mac runs.
 
PC users happily report that their PC is as fast as the day they bought it - all they have to do is a fresh install of their operating system every 6 months to keep it that way.
Amazing what extremes to which some people will go to justify something. Seriously, if you have to do that, it's broken .
 
PC users happily report that their PC is as fast as the day they bought it - all they have to do is a fresh install of their operating system every 6 months to keep it that way.
Amazing what extremes to which some people will go to justify something. Seriously, if you have to do that, it's broken .
First, I never said this. the other poster did. But ok... I'll bite, if windows was broken, no one would buy it and it would have no market share and Apple would have 100 percent... but it doesn't, Apple has 5-6 percent, perhaps it is broken.
 

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