24 MP camera need good lenses

hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

Hi all!

Here in few D3200 related topics we have heard that "24 MP camera need good lenses".

Is it true or not? Nikons have actually max.: 24 MP in DX and 36 MP in FX. And most say its (too) much. But what about exotic cameras (Hasselblad, Phase One, Mamiya and some others), some of them have 50 MP or more. Do they have lenses from other planet?

If it is true (D3200 need better lenses), why Nikon is selling it with cheap 18-55 VR?

If it is true (I am not saying "yes" or "no"), what to buy? What to choose? I know that prime lenses are better, OK. But what zooms are good for 24 MP DX camera??

I have heard sth. about lens resolution, but don't know a lot in this field and don't know which lenses are better, which worse.

bobn2 · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
Hi all!

Here in few D3200 related topics we have heard that "24 MP camera need good lenses".

Is it true or not? Nikons have actually max.: 24 MP in DX and 36 MP in FX. And most say its (too) much. But what about exotic cameras (Hasselblad, Phase One, Mamiya and some others), some of them have 50 MP or more. Do they have lenses from other planet?

If it is true (D3200 need better lenses), why Nikon is selling it with cheap 18-55 VR?

If it is true (I am not saying "yes" or "no"), what to buy? What to choose? I know that prime lenses are better, OK. But what zooms are good for 24 MP DX camera??

I have heard sth. about lens resolution, but don't know a lot in this field and don't know which lenses are better, which worse.

Every camera will do better with good lenses.
Every lens will do better with a high MP sensor.
--
Bob

hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

bobn2 said:
Every camera will do better with good lenses.

Its obvious

bobn2 said:
Every lens will do better with a high MP sensor.

But what about cheap lenses with worse resolution? DPR is not only forum where I have read something like this "This good camera, but for 24 MP you need better lenses... ".

I like D3200, I will buy it, but would like to make use of this 24 MP and little afraid of standard/kit lens.

DarkCeltDX · Apr 20, 2012

It depends on how you view your images.

If you are looking at them at 100% then you may notice the short comings of the lens. But this is the same for any camera, more mega-pixles just make it more obvious at 100%+ views.

At anything less than 100% lens issues wont be noticeable. So for 95% of the people that use this camera, the kit lens will be fine.

beshannon · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
I like D3200, I will buy it, but would like to make use of this 24 MP and little afraid of standard/kit lens.

Then buy a better lens

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hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

Yes I would like to see them in 100% view, to crop smaller areas, etc.
I was thinking about landscapes - where the more MP the better.

I realize that not in most situations I need 24 MP, but in other situations I will need.

hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

beshannon said:
hatchback said:

I like D3200, I will buy it, but would like to make use of this 24 MP and little afraid of standard/kit lens.

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Then buy a better lens

Which are better??

I am not trolling (as somebody will probably soon say), just asking!
Is the price only factor which say "this is good lense" or "this is worse lens"?

Which are good for 24 MP? I was thinking about:

Nikkor 55-300 VR
Tamron 17-50/2.8
Tokina 11-16

Thanks for your feedback!

pwilly · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
hatchback said:

hatchback said:

I like D3200, I will buy it, but would like to make use of this 24 MP and little afraid of standard/kit lens.

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Then buy a better lens

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Which are better??

I am not trolling (as somebody will probably soon say), just asking!
Is the price only factor which say "this is good lense" or "this is worse lens"?

Which are good for 24 MP? I was thinking about:

Nikkor 55-300 VR

70-300 VR is a little sharper at the long end, good discussion here
http://photo.net/nikon-camera-forum/00XZZn

hatchback said:
Tamron 17-50/2.8

Very nice, should be awesome at 24MP

hatchback said:
Tokina 11-16

Another fine selection.

hatchback said:
Thanks for your feedback!

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ott77n · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
hatchback said:

hatchback said:

I like D3200, I will buy it, but would like to make use of this 24 MP and little afraid of standard/kit lens.

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Then buy a better lens

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Which are better??

You can assume, that every lens is going to perform better on a 3200, than on any lower resolution camera.

beshannon · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
Which are good for 24 MP? I was thinking about:

Nikkor 55-300 VR
Tamron 17-50/2.8
Tokina 11-16

Thanks for your feedback!

Megapixels are irrelevant.

What kind of photography do you like to do as those are three really different lenses.

May I ask how you intend to tell how good the results are from your new camera and "better" lens? What color calibrated monitor do you use? How is your workflow? Since you will be shooting RAW, are you processing with Lightroom or Capture NX2? Will you convert to jpeg before printing or tiff?

My point is that like so many people here, you are focusing on things that are not really important and ignoring those that are.
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herbymel · Apr 20, 2012

Unfortunately it's still not going to be able to AF with most older lenses, so you can't go that route to get cheaper quality glass on it. I'd say the Tokina 11-16, 12-24. The Tamron or Sigma 17-50 would also do well.
Is it only capable of doing 12bit Raw or am I reading that wrong?
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hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

pwilly said:
pwilly said:

Nikkor 55-300 VR

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70-300 VR is a little sharper at the long end, good discussion here

I know its little better and with metal mounting bagnet, but cost almost twice as 55-300 VR

pwilly said:
pwilly said:

Tamron 17-50/2.8

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Very nice, should be awesome at 24MP

Good to hear it, it is first on my list of lenses to purchase.

pwilly said:
pwilly said:

Tokina 11-16

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Another fine selection.

About it I was thinking for landscapes

Thx!

hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

beshannon said:
What kind of photography do you like to do as those are three really different lenses.

80% cars, 10% landscapes, 10% other things

UWZ (f.e. Tokina 11-16) I want for landscapes.
Longer Zooms (17-50/2.8 and 55-300 VR) for cars and other subjects.

I have already 35/1.8 prime lens.

beshannon said:
What color calibrated monitor do you use?

None. I have to read about calibration or ask somebody to calibrate it....

beshannon said:
How is your workflow? Since you will be shooting RAW, are you processing with Lightroom or Capture NX2?

I use CNX2, find it best solution for me.

beshannon said:
Will you convert to jpeg before printing or tiff?

I convert to JPEG in final point of my workflow, at the end. No need to print.

Yest it is 12-bit RAW

TFergus · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
If it is true (D3200 need better lenses), why Nikon is selling it with cheap 18-55 VR?

It's not true. That is why they are selling it with a cheap kit lens.

The idea that a lens can be outresolved by a sensor is a myth.

Any credible photo tech will tell you this.

D7000newbie · Apr 20, 2012

A few more choices.

Sigma 17-50
Sigma 8-16

Tokina 11-16 doesn't have an internal AF motor while Sigma 8-16 does.

hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

TFergus said:
hatchback said:

If it is true (D3200 need better lenses), why Nikon is selling it with cheap 18-55 VR?

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It's not true. That is why they are selling it with a cheap kit lens.

Nice to hear that, I have very limited budget.

TFergus said:
The idea that a lens can be outresolved by a sensor is a myth.

I am not tech guy, nor know much about optics,.... What you are saying is good info for me. I have heard a lot about "lens resolution limits"...

that's why I was asking.

TFergus said:
Any credible photo tech will tell you this.

Thanks.

genece · Apr 20, 2012

I also believe that and soon we are going to see lots of photos from the 3200 and cheap lenses. I believe the moderate price, well respected lens will do just fine.
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hatchback · Apr 20, 2012

D7000newbie said:
A few more choices.

Sigma 17-50

Tamron looks like a better choice (comparable IQ and cheaper)

D7000newbie said:
Sigma 8-16

I don't like fish-eye lens.

D7000newbie said:
Tokina 11-16 doesn't have an internal AF motor while Sigma 8-16 does.

I know. Thanks for recommendations. Considering UWZ I was thinking about:

Sigma 10-20
Sigma 12-24
Tokina 11-16
Tokina 12-24

People recommends Tokina as better. However I have few months to this purchase, so I have time to read test, people opinions... Firstly I want to buy 17-50/2.8 and 55-300 VR.

bobn2 · Apr 20, 2012

hatchback said:
hatchback said:

Sigma 8-16

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I don't like fish-eye lens.

Not a fish eye, a remarkably sharp DX UWA.
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D7000newbie · Apr 20, 2012

I love mine.

bobn2 said:
hatchback said:

bobn2 said:

Sigma 8-16

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I don't like fish-eye lens.

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Not a fish eye, a remarkably sharp DX UWA.
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Bob

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