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There is so much negativity at times on this forum - it really can be a very depressing place to be... maybewe should call it dpressreview

Less than a week ago I made the move from a 7D to a 5D Mark III. I had hoped the move from the largely negative and flaming APS-C forum to the full frame forum would somehow put me in a more "professional" rarified atmophere with more constructive conversation.

Nope.

The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on... Who takes photoswith the lens cap on?! Why illumnate the top LCD when you can have the lovely back screen showing you all the details in lovely his-res brght colour?

Now I'm no fan boy, but Canon have many skillful and experienced ambasadors and explorers of light. Many of them tested the 5D3 extensively for many tens of thousands of frames. They have HEAPS more skill and experience than me. If none of those pros had an issue with this, I'm sorry but its not going to effect (m)any of the contributors to this forum.

It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...

I hope once people start actually (heaven forbid!) taking photos with the camera, all this will go by the way side.

Have a good day.
 
Otherwise why did you (and I) buy a 5D MkIII and not a cheaper camera?

I agree with you about the nitpicking hysteria here, but of course the right tool for the right job is important.
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So your approach is to put your head in the sand and ignore the issue because you magically know in advance it couldn't possibly impact you?

And how did you know that - until some guy brought it up to Canon's attention, who is now analyzing the problem, and will or will not do something about it that may or may not impact you.

Jeez.

And how do you know it won't impact any of the contributors? You're a mind reader? You know what we take photos of? Let us make up our own minds.

Liberty555 wrote:
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Liberty555 said:
The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on... Who takes photoswith the lens cap on?! Why illumnate the top LCD when you can have the lovely back screen showing you all the details in lovely his-res brght colour?

Now I'm no fan boy, but Canon have many skillful and experienced ambasadors and explorers of light. Many of them tested the 5D3 extensively for many tens of thousands of frames. They have HEAPS more skill and experience than me. If none of those pros had an issue with this, I'm sorry but its not going to effect (m)any of the contributors to this forum.

It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...

I hope once people start actually (heaven forbid!) taking photos with the camera, all this will go by the way side.

Have a good day.
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Liberty555 said:
The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on... Who takes photos with the lens cap on?!
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I don't have a 5D3 so can't say for sure if the amount of leakage has any practical significance, but I suspect its probably not a real issue for shooting in normal lighting.
Liberty555 said:
Now I'm no fan boy, but Canon have many skillful and experienced ambasadors and explorers of light. Many of them tested the 5D3 extensively for many tens of thousands of frames. They have HEAPS more skill and experience than me. If none of those pros had an issue with this, I'm sorry but its not going to effect (m)any of the contributors to this forum.
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I suspect its very likely they never noticed it in their testing. I also think you may be giving them too much credit, but that's just my opinion. I've watched their progress since the 10D era, and quite frankly, I'm not terribly impressed.

Now before you all get your panties in a bunch, I've purchased 8 Canon cameras since 1978, and exactly zero non-Canon cameras, so I'm not anti-Canon, but I can still disagree with some of their design decisions.
Liberty555 said:
It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...
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Its a poor manufacturer who can't keep light out of a "camera obscura", even more so when they charge $3500 for it.
 
So tools are irrelevant?

Why aren't you primarly using a shoebox with a pinhole one end and a bit of film and sticky tape the other end?
 
dwalby said:
dwalby said:
It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...
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dwalby said:
Its a poor manufacturer who can't keep light out of a "camera obscura", even more so when they charge $3500 for it.
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Camera obscuras don't have meters.

The light does not get into the "camera obscura" area, but affects the meter.

No light falls on the sensor.

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I hope that helps
 
Liberty555 said:
There is so much negativity at times on this forumcap on?! Why illumnate the top LCD when you can have the lovely back screen showing you all the details in lovely his-res brght color?
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I agree completely with the OP. The 5DIII is more camera than 99% of shooters here could ever need, me included. Honestly if you're having problems getting good to great shots with pretty much any DSLR made in the last 5 years or more, you should probably look in the mirror.

All this DXOMark, DR, shot noise, warp drive, photon torpedos crap is nothing more than armchair quarterbacks who get off on plots on a spreadsheet more than leaning the art of photography. I'd love to know how many of these guys actually own a DSLR....
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Liberty555 said:
It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...
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And an equally poor craftsman who doesn't keep his tools in peak condition.

If, after careful analysis, Canon determines that the light leak issue is serious enough to warrant repair, then you'd be nuts to hold out on account of either pride or refusal to accept that early products sometimes have bugs. -iwbs
 
Stone13 said:
I agree completely with the OP. The 5DIII is more camera than 99% of shooters here could ever need, me included. Honestly if you're having problems getting good to great shots with pretty much any DSLR made in the last 5 years or more, you should probably look in the mirror.

All this DXOMark, DR, shot noise, warp drive, photon torpedos crap is nothing more than armchair quarterbacks who get off on plots on a spreadsheet more than leaning the art of photography. I'd love to know how many of these guys actually own a DSLR....
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Or take pictures with the ones they do own.
Stone13 said:
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You never know until dusts settle. I have personally experienced a Canon recall (24-105 heavenly light). No biggie but Canon did not know it until some users reported the problem in the first week the lens was shipped. Finally Canon admitted it's a problem and offered to refund or replace lenses sold.

1DIII AF was a similar one and probably a more serious case. I don't know what the resolution was because I don't own the camera.
tko said:
So your approach is to put your head in the sand and ignore the issue because you magically know in advance it couldn't possibly impact you?

And how did you know that - until some guy brought it up to Canon's attention, who is now analyzing the problem, and will or will not do something about it that may or may not impact you.

Jeez.

And how do you know it won't impact any of the contributors? You're a mind reader? You know what we take photos of? Let us make up our own minds.

Liberty555 wrote:
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tko said:
The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on... Who takes photoswith the lens cap on?! Why illumnate the top LCD when you can have the lovely back screen showing you all the details in lovely his-res brght colour?

Now I'm no fan boy, but Canon have many skillful and experienced ambasadors and explorers of light. Many of them tested the 5D3 extensively for many tens of thousands of frames. They have HEAPS more skill and experience than me. If none of those pros had an issue with this, I'm sorry but its not going to effect (m)any of the contributors to this forum.

It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...

I hope once people start actually (heaven forbid!) taking photos with the camera, all this will go by the way side.

Have a good day.
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Precisely.

I'm sure you all noticed how some posters felt the need to flame and insult me having nevr seen a photo I've taken or ever even addressed me before.

The anonimity of the internet. Brings out the true nature of some people.

I didn't say whether I'd be sending it in for a repair... I'll wait and see what Canon come up with.

Do unto others...

I'll repeat - have a nice day.
 
Liberty555 said:
The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on...
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it appears to affect metering whenever there is lowlight so that the light emitted from the LCD is strong to affect metering. I am guessing evening indoor shots is enough to be affected.
Liberty555 said:
experienced ambasadors and explorers of light.
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not from a fanboy? really?
Liberty555 said:
If none of those pros had an issue with this, I'm sorry but its not going to effect (m)any of the contributors to this forum.
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Camera is a tool for creative work, not heavy duty work. to say manufacture testers would have exhausted camera's potential that no real world user will go further is plain absurd and ignorant.
Liberty555 said:
It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...
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This is the most overused and wrongly used pseudo-wiseguy cr@p in this forum.

What Canon fanboys are chanting "It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools" at are "issues" of camera specs and defects - almost 100% the time not related to any specific poor results anyone has been getting . But fanboys dont care that no one is blaming their tool when they are righteously pointing their fingers.
 
C'mon! I'm not buying the 5D3 for several reasons. Mainly because it's overpriced and I have a 5D2. (imo)

But if I would be in the pre-order line I would be postponing my purchase because of the leak issue.

Only diehard fanboys and people lacking the minimum molecule of common sense are buying 5d3's now. (imo).

Eduardo
 
ultimitsu said:
Liberty555 said:
The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on...
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it appears to affect metering whenever there is lowlight so that the light emitted from the LCD is strong to affect metering. I am guessing evening indoor shots is enough to be affected.
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Honestly, how many times have you needed to use the top LCD with the light on? The info is repeated in the viewfinder (and oh what a lovely viewfinder it is) and on the back for the vision impaired.
ultimitsu said:
ultimitsu said:
experienced ambasadors and explorers of light.
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not from a fanboy? really?
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Committed to the brand. I'm just yet to see that the "problem" is a problem. Flame away Kiwi, I've got thick skin.
ultimitsu said:
ultimitsu said:
If none of those pros had an issue with this, I'm sorry but its not going to effect (m)any of the contributors to this forum.
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Camera is a tool for creative work, not heavy duty work. to say manufacture testers would have exhausted camera's potential that no real world user will go further is plain absurd and ignorant.
ultimitsu said:
It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools...
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This is the most overused and wrongly used pseudo-wiseguy cr@p in this forum.
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As above.
ultimitsu said:
What Canon fanboys are chanting "It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools" at are "issues" of camera specs and defects - almost 100% the time not related to any specific poor results anyone has been getting . But fanboys dont care that no one is blaming their tool when they are righteously pointing their fingers.
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Edymagno said:
Only diehard fanboys and people lacking the minimum molecule of common sense are buying 5d3's now. (imo).
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And that's an idiotic comment imo

For the overwhelming majority of those of us actually using the camera - you know, what cameras are for - this "issue" impinges on usage not one iota.

The fact is that you find many more people who are trying to justify not shelling out for it who are annoyed by this 'issue" than actual users.

If it's not for you, that's fine.

But if it's really not something you want, why the constant desperation by a few non-buyers here to convince themselves?

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Liberty555 said:
ultimitsu said:
Liberty555 said:
The talk about the light leak "issue" is interesting. No one has been able to demonstrate where it was actually affected a photo. Yes, there may be a change in exposure but I understand its with the lens cap on...
Click to expand...
it appears to affect metering whenever there is lowlight so that the light emitted from the LCD is strong to affect metering. I am guessing evening indoor shots is enough to be affected.
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Honestly, how many times have you needed to use the top LCD with the light on? The info is repeated in the viewfinder (and oh what a lovely viewfinder it is) and on the back for the vision impaired.
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the problem is not the shoulder LCD, it is the back LCD, when used for live view shooting. this happens reasonably frequently to be a problem.
Liberty555 said:
Liberty555 said:
Liberty555 said:
experienced ambasadors and explorers of light.
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not from a fanboy? really?
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Committed to the brand. I'm just yet to see that the "problem" is a problem. Flame away Kiwi, I've got thick skin.
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my remark above was directed at the quoted comment. i was just amused with this whole immortalisation of a commercial company.
 
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