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Full Frame Nex
- Thread starter Spunky8
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Sony will release NEX-S system in the next year or 2. It will use a smaller sensor, possibly 1:1 or 4:3, and be compatible with current NEX lenses. It will compete with the Nikon 1 for portability, and the lenses will be much smaller than current NEX lesnes.
Spunky8
Veteran Member
I agree that a FF by Sony would hit Canon/Nikon/Leica big.
Sorry, I don't see it happening. If somebody wants a smaller sensor, they probably want a smaller body and lens, in which case, Sony has plenty of compact cameras to satisfy that need. Why would they shrink the NEX system and release smaller lenses not compatible with the larg right bodies? Sony already has three different lens types and two mounts, A-mount for FF and APS-C, and E-mount for APS-C.
WAAAAAA ... Full-frame ain't big enough! Gimme medium format rangefinder or EVF like a digitalized Fuji "Texas" rangefinder, e.g., 6x4.5 ~ 6x7 or heck even 6x9, or Mamiya's 6x6 and 6x7 RFs.
More, more more. Never satisfied... Never satisfied... Never satisfied...
More, more more. Never satisfied... Never satisfied... Never satisfied...
You ask for too little. Come on manufacturers ... Put some cash into R&D and develop a true LARGE format digital sensor already ... make it available at a $1000 too.
pede59
Veteran Member
Why the hell would they do that? The N5N is not really bigger than Nikon 1 or m4/3. If anything they need to do is to take the good things such as fast AF from those systems. If anything i see them go to an intermediate sensor size like in the Nikon 1. But i doubt it.
True .. it is hard to make really small good quality lenses. But Sigma came out with a 19mm and a 30mm that are quite small and light. No pancake but still small.
The m4/3 i would consider is the OM-D and it is not smaller than a NEX7.
To me the NEX7 with lens(es) is only a fraction of the size/weight of my Canon 7D, it gives me better IQ. What i am really missing is a few more choices with high quality AF lenses (native e-mount).
If you really need a pocket camera you would need to get a Canon S100 or similar.
True .. it is hard to make really small good quality lenses. But Sigma came out with a 19mm and a 30mm that are quite small and light. No pancake but still small.
The m4/3 i would consider is the OM-D and it is not smaller than a NEX7.
To me the NEX7 with lens(es) is only a fraction of the size/weight of my Canon 7D, it gives me better IQ. What i am really missing is a few more choices with high quality AF lenses (native e-mount).
If you really need a pocket camera you would need to get a Canon S100 or similar.
RezaTravilla
Forum Enthusiast
whahahahahahaha (^0^)b..agreed
IMO the NEX body is smaller than it needs to be, especially since the lenses are relatively large.
If Sony simply scaled down an A body with the FF sensor that would satisfy a lot of shooters and there would be a lot more lens options available.
If Sony simply scaled down an A body with the FF sensor that would satisfy a lot of shooters and there would be a lot more lens options available.
The FF market is getting smaller every day. The NEX-S won't be a "New" system either. It will be a bridge to the larger NEX system that shares lenses and accessories. Sony doesn't have anything to compete with the LX5, XZ-1, G1X and Nikon 1 which all have larger than P&S sensors. Those cameras all have zoom lenses that along with the body fit in a pocket.
The current NEX lens have very soft corner sharpness that won't work on FF. but will improve greatly with the NEX-S. Then they will add some good small lenses.
Bookmark this. I am not going to give anymore away.
This is a crock, the Full Frame NEX will arrive in 2013. Don't believe this drivel. I have word from a good source at Sony.
The Full Frame market is NOT shrinking. Nikon and Canon will have more Full Frame models coming in the next 12 months. Nikon is projecting 30,000 D800 and 5,000 D4 sales a month. Canon is in a similar situation. Full Frame is GROWING not shrinking.
The NEX system is set to grow, not be miniaturized. Sony is still working on bringing out new products, but also catching up on current models.
SQLGuy
Veteran Member
As others mentioned, I am already carrying around "huge" "defeats the purpose" FF glass for my NEX. So I wouldn't feel much pain from needing it for NEX-9 or whatever.
As for the comment that existing E-mount lenses wouldn't work... please, somebody tell that to all the Nikon people that are using DX lenses on FX bodies. (For those of you not that familiar with either DX, FX, or my sarcasm, DX is Nikon's APS-C system, and FX is their full frame system, and FX bodies automatically detect DX lenses and use only the APS-C portion of the sensor... it works fine.)
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Nex-7 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
As for the comment that existing E-mount lenses wouldn't work... please, somebody tell that to all the Nikon people that are using DX lenses on FX bodies. (For those of you not that familiar with either DX, FX, or my sarcasm, DX is Nikon's APS-C system, and FX is their full frame system, and FX bodies automatically detect DX lenses and use only the APS-C portion of the sensor... it works fine.)
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Nex-7 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
Using rangefinder glass on a APS-C or FF is a different story than a DSLR FF lens on a NEX. A OSS FF lens has to be a monster, and to me ... it is not worth it.As others mentioned, I am already carrying around "huge" "defeats the purpose" FF glass for my NEX. So I wouldn't feel much pain from needing it for NEX-9 or whatever.
As for the comment that existing E-mount lenses wouldn't work... please, somebody tell that to all the Nikon people that are using DX lenses on FX bodies. (For those of you not that familiar with either DX, FX, or my sarcasm, DX is Nikon's APS-C system, and FX is their full frame system, and FX bodies automatically detect DX lenses and use only the APS-C portion of the sensor... it works fine.)
How many FF NEX lenses does Sony have ... How many APS-C lenses does Sony have... and they can't even produce those, what make you think a FF NEX is in the works GMAB !
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SQLGuy
Veteran Member
That first lens is not even a rangefinder lens. It's a Konica SLR lens.
I did not say I thought a FF NEX was in the works. I said:
1) Full frame glass doesn't have to be huge
2) As Nikon has proven, APS-C lenses can work just fine on FF bodies
BTW, as Zeiss 24, Sigma 30, and Sigma 19 prove, a NEX lens doesn't have to have OSS.
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Nex-7 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
I did not say I thought a FF NEX was in the works. I said:
1) Full frame glass doesn't have to be huge
2) As Nikon has proven, APS-C lenses can work just fine on FF bodies
BTW, as Zeiss 24, Sigma 30, and Sigma 19 prove, a NEX lens doesn't have to have OSS.
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Nex-7 with kit lenses, Contax G 35, and a number of legacy lenses (mostly Canon FD)
dj0502
Well-known member
That's true, though your samples are not telephoto. It might not be 'needed' but I can see the benefits.
Prairie Pal
Veteran Member
They would be walking out into the street with a bull's eye on their back! Canon, Nikon, and Leica would be protecting their territory. It would be a great hoot to watch how things unfold though. I say go for it Sony !
Prairie Pal
Veteran Member
Maybe the FEX?
I agree that a larger sensor will have more of more. And in when it comes to cars, they say "Nothing beats displacement."
Can a smaller sensor have more desirable characteristics than a bigger sensor ? Rarely, but yes it can. The most advanced technology usually starts in the APS-C sensor and then trickles down to M4/3 and up to FF. So for a time APS-C censored cameras could be more advanced before FF cameras catch up. This is especially true since the model-life of a APS-C camera is shorter than a Full Frame model before a refresh transpires. Medium Format usually has more resolution & color gradation than FF, but then we get into slower lenses and tiny depth-of-field.
So as a generalization..bigger is better.
Can a smaller sensor have more desirable characteristics than a bigger sensor ? Rarely, but yes it can. The most advanced technology usually starts in the APS-C sensor and then trickles down to M4/3 and up to FF. So for a time APS-C censored cameras could be more advanced before FF cameras catch up. This is especially true since the model-life of a APS-C camera is shorter than a Full Frame model before a refresh transpires. Medium Format usually has more resolution & color gradation than FF, but then we get into slower lenses and tiny depth-of-field.
So as a generalization..bigger is better.
pede59
Veteran Member
I do not disagree that from an ergonomy perspective large bodies are better. I am comparing with my Canon 7D ... I always thought that the 7D body was feeling perfect in my hand, and in that respect it beats the Nex7.
Yet, i believe the reason why people are attracted to the Nex7 is its (small) size. If you make it closer to an SLR body size then it is just another one of the bunch of SLR's. Sure, it still offers a great sensor. It is probably lighter than DSLR's because there is no mirror. On the other hand if the size approaches my 7D then i would have to say that i want my optical VF back simply because it is still significantly better than the EVF. I accept the EVF in the Nex7 as a compromise because it allows Sony to make the body small. For me there is a huge difference carrying a Nex7 with the kit lens all day versus my 7D with a standard zoom.
To me the key is how much progress can be made creating higher quality compact lenses for the Nex body. I agree with you that if you put on large lenses then the difference the body size/weight makes becomes marginal. I would even say that it is easier to deal with large lenses on a body that is made for it.
Yet, i believe the reason why people are attracted to the Nex7 is its (small) size. If you make it closer to an SLR body size then it is just another one of the bunch of SLR's. Sure, it still offers a great sensor. It is probably lighter than DSLR's because there is no mirror. On the other hand if the size approaches my 7D then i would have to say that i want my optical VF back simply because it is still significantly better than the EVF. I accept the EVF in the Nex7 as a compromise because it allows Sony to make the body small. For me there is a huge difference carrying a Nex7 with the kit lens all day versus my 7D with a standard zoom.
To me the key is how much progress can be made creating higher quality compact lenses for the Nex body. I agree with you that if you put on large lenses then the difference the body size/weight makes becomes marginal. I would even say that it is easier to deal with large lenses on a body that is made for it.
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