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digititus said:
Until Sony figures out how to change their image and buyer perceptions, they are going to remain a distant third in sales. And that does not bode well for those of us who have committed to the a mount.
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Advertising (at least here in the US) might help but the mighty Sony apparently hasn't figured that out. In my experience too many people are unaware of Sony's products and unaware of what separates them from the competition. SLT is certainly different and brings some real advantages to some people. Too bad most seem to be unaware of this.

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Archer66 said:
digititus said:
It is not important whether this review is technically accurate or not.
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It's ok for reviews not to be accurate ?
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Blatently inaccurate, no! But in this case there are very few inaccuracies, and for sure there are no more inaccuracies than in the award winning reviews that get posted here.

The accuracy of this review is all a matter of your infatuation with your Sony gear. Love is blind.
 
Who cares, really? As long as you get the tech specs correct, the opinions of the reviewer are just that - opinions. They're certainly going to be different from someone else on the planet.

I do agree with some points, though - the battery life isn't all that great, especially if you're waiting on the right moment (wildlife for example) and using a lot of EVF - not good.

In fact, I pretty much keep my GPS off also because of the battery drain. I'm going to almost be forced to get a backup battery.

And the lens selection still isn't as good as Canon or Nikon.

Nikon has all the AI-S lenses and their AF lenses.

Canon has FD mount, EOS mount (a lot of them) and they can adapt darn near any other lens!

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RedFox88 said:
goetz48 said:
but a fast spoiling of ink over some paper. No measurements, just a few shots and some words around them
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But that is often what a "review" is. Do those that review clothes washers measure how much water it uses, seeing how clean it gets a test cloth compared to other washers? DPR's reviews are very in depth and go far beyond the average product review.
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Yes that's what Consumer Reports does. Anything less is IMO a poor review.

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TrojMacReady said:
digititus said:
Archer66 said:
jl_smith said:
And the lens selection still isn't as good as Canon or Nikon.
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How many primes they have with image stabilization ?
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How many does Sony have? And the answer isn't all of them. Even Sony's figured out that in-body stabilzation is not the future.
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For the current mounts, atleast 101 different ones. ;)
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No, I asked how many Sony has, not Minolta and third party lenses. Minolta isn't helping Sony get out of third place, and with every passing year the Minolta legacy (and lenses) lose more relevance.

Sony is going to have to make it on their own, and a good start would be to give people what they want, not what Sony thinks they need.
 
digititus said:
TrojMacReady said:
digititus said:
Archer66 said:
jl_smith said:
And the lens selection still isn't as good as Canon or Nikon.
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How many primes they have with image stabilization ?
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How many does Sony have? And the answer isn't all of them. Even Sony's figured out that in-body stabilzation is not the future.
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For the current mounts, atleast 101 different ones. ;)
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No, I asked how many Sony has, not Minolta and third party lenses. Minolta isn't helping Sony get out of third place, and with every passing year the Minolta legacy (and lenses) lose more relevance.

Sony is going to have to make it on their own, and a good start would be to give people what they want, not what Sony thinks they need.
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14 and 2 discontinued.

The question is also, how many does one need and why third party lenses aren't relevant. ;)
 
Minolta lenses will continue to be relevant. Right now, they probably play a significant role in allowing beginners with low budgets to start building a lens collection. The image quality from those old lenses can be impressive. Some of the old lenses fill current gaps in the Sony system, and others offer lower priced alternatives. If those old Minolta lenses did not exist, the Sony system would be much less attractive.

The same applies to other manufacturers. Nikon has plenty of discontinued AI lenses, and I know some people from high school who bought manual focus Nikon glass, mainly because it offered competitive image quality for an extremely low price. It seems like part of the draw to Nikon (instead of Canon) was being able to mount that old glass and save money. Discontinued lenses are very important parts of camera systems.
digititus said:
No, I asked how many Sony has, not Minolta and third party lenses. Minolta isn't helping Sony get out of third place, and with every passing year the Minolta legacy (and lenses) lose more relevance.

Sony is going to have to make it on their own, and a good start would be to give people what they want, not what Sony thinks they need.
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TrojMacReady said:
digititus said:
TrojMacReady said:
digititus said:
Archer66 said:
jl_smith said:
And the lens selection still isn't as good as Canon or Nikon.
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How many primes they have with image stabilization ?
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How many does Sony have? And the answer isn't all of them. Even Sony's figured out that in-body stabilzation is not the future.
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For the current mounts, atleast 101 different ones. ;)
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No, I asked how many Sony has, not Minolta and third party lenses. Minolta isn't helping Sony get out of third place, and with every passing year the Minolta legacy (and lenses) lose more relevance.

Sony is going to have to make it on their own, and a good start would be to give people what they want, not what Sony thinks they need.
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14 and 2 discontinued.

The question is also, how many does one need and why third party lenses aren't relevant. ;)
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Anyone individual probably only needs a few, but obviously there is a market for a lot more, or they would be produced.

I only said Minolta was losing relevance because they are no longer developing or producing photographic gear. Third parties will remain relevant as long a they offer a quality product at a competitive price. But I'd be willing to bet they offer more lenses for Canon and Nikon, then they do for Sony.
 
You seem to make a point that isn't valid to my post.

I said lens selection , not feature-set of whatever lenses do exist.

I could likewise ask "So how many telephotos does Sony have that have optical stabilization?" and it would also have zero bearing on the whole "selection" argument.
Archer66 said:
jl_smith said:
And the lens selection still isn't as good as Canon or Nikon.
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How many primes they have with image stabilization ?
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I own a normal DSLR - but I had tried a Sony A55 and quite liked it and its fast performance, so let's say I don't think I have a camp.

HOWEVER, money is an important factor.

And where I live:
  • the Sony A77 body costs about 1300 local currency. That about 25% more than a Nikon D7000 body, and 35% more than a Canon 60D
  • the Sony A77 with 16-50 f2.8 is 2029 local currency. That's 32% more than a Nikon D7000 with a 16-85mm f3.5-5.6 (which indeed is less fast)
Frankly I think it would be better for Sony - if their cost structure allows it of course - to try to price these products more competitively. Else the risk is that they just won't sell much and thus hurt the P&L and value creation.
 
antoineb said:
I own a normal DSLR - but I had tried a Sony A55 and quite liked it and its fast performance, so let's say I don't think I have a camp.

HOWEVER, money is an important factor.

And where I live:
  • the Sony A77 body costs about 1300 local currency. That about 25% more than a Nikon D7000 body, and 35% more than a Canon 60D
  • the Sony A77 with 16-50 f2.8 is 2029 local currency. That's 32% more than a Nikon D7000 with a 16-85mm f3.5-5.6 (which indeed is less fast)
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I am not a big tech guy but, just from a 'class' standpoint I thought the A77 was competing with the Canon 7D & Nikon D300S, no? If it is not on par with the 7D & D300S technically, then I would agree that the A77 is overpriced.
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I too was of the understanding that the A77 is competing with the 7D and from all the reading I've done it is generally perceived to be the better camera.

I was going to get a 7D having been a Canon user for ever but as I don't have a huge investment in lenses I could afford to swap systems and my A77 has been ordered. Based my decisions purely on the reviews out there. Bit dangerous I know but a number of sites I trust have given it the thumbs up.

My dad has a 7D and I'll be seeing him in couple of months so I'll be able to compare!

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antoineb said:
I own a normal DSLR - but I had tried a Sony A55 and quite liked it and its fast performance, so let's say I don't think I have a camp.

HOWEVER, money is an important factor.

And where I live:
  • the Sony A77 body costs about 1300 local currency. That about 25% more than a Nikon D7000 body, and 35% more than a Canon 60D
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I believe the A77, due to the metal body and weather sealing, is a higher class camera than those. It's most direct competition would be the Canon 7D and Nikon D300.

If you want 90% of the A77 with the same IQ at a lower price check out the A65. It is a step down from the 60D and D7000. Sony has no direct competitor to those cameras.

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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

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