When will 70D be announced?

John_A_G wrote:

But if you're going to try to champion the argument that plastic is just as good as alloy - good luck with that one. No one's going to buy it.

I bought it and love it :D.
Have you used a metal body like the 20d-50d (or 7d, 1d) as well as your 60d? If you have owned one and find the plastic just as good, great.

But I just haven't heard anyone who has actually owned and used a metal body prefer a plastic one that's all.

Please let me know.
I own a 7D and I would have no qualms about a "plastic" 7D, as long as it was the same fiberglass reinforced polycarbonate over an aluminum chassis, as the 60D. If I had the choice of a lighter 7D or a heavier one, I'd opt for the lighter one! I have no data to back this up, but I think that a reinforced polycarbonate body would bend upon impact whereas the mag alloy would tend to crack or break.

I recently saw a pic of a 2 week old 5D2 that fell off a table and cracked the body. The owner sent it in to Canon for repair and they returned it saying it was "unrepairable".
You might be referring to this one?

http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00X/00XHNe-280431584.jpg

I have yet to see any similar image of a plastic bodied Canon DSLR having damage of this type. Plenty have been sold so plenty must have been dropped.
 
b) it massages your ego.
I'm sure there are all sorts of nasty things I could say to this, but actually you're pretty close to the truth. I bought the 7D as a reward for achieving a goal that cost me more to achieve than I care to remember. So yes, it's a luxury, but I earned it the hard way. It's nice to have something like that to remind me of how far I've come.
It was not my intention to offend, and it is nice of you to be so truthful.

Unfortunately, too many people feel the need to justify their choice by slagging off the alternative model. If they were just honest with themselves and others and admitted that they chose x model over y model becaue they wanted it rather than needed it, then I am sure there would be a lot less "fanboy" arguments around here.
 
Ah sorry, it has been proven time and time again that magnesium alloy is NOT stronger than glass filled polycarbonate, especially in the are that is most critical to camera users - impact resistance.
Really? I like to see the proof that the 60D body can withstand more abuse than that of the 7D. I doubt it.
Really? Why? Because you believe the marketing hype? Or the urban legend?
That is why you don't see safety equipment such as body armor and helmets made from mag alloy.
Apples and oranges....
Why? A camera body needs to be tough and offer good impact resistance. Rather similar to the needs of safety guards, visors, helmets etc.
 
So you buy a camera for;
a) how it feels
Yes, one of the criteria I have before I buy a camera is how it feels. Is that odd? I have to use it, might as well be comfortable to hold. Magnesium alloy is better than plastic, it is stronger and the weight of the body helps the overall balance.
Ah sorry, it has been proven time and time again that magnesium alloy is NOT stronger than glass filled polycarbonate, especially in the are that is most critical to camera users - impact resistance.
Can you please point me to some testing that proves this? Especially tests with the type of plastic that Canon uses in their bodies and lenses.
Right back at you...Can you point to a test that proves the mag alloy has greater impact resistance than glass filled polycarbonate?

The answer is you can't. So why do you assert that metal is better as if it were a fact?

I can point out this
http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00X/00XHNe-280431584.jpg
and this
http://www.sabbymonster.com/uploads/2009/12/20091217-canon-rebel-xt.jpg

Both have cracked bodies but one fell from hand height (1-2 meters), the other fell from 1,000 meters. But even so, there are so many other variables involved that it is impossible to make a clear judgement.

I'm not asserting plastic is better, simply that it is no worse.
That is why you don't see safety equipment such as body armor and helmets made from mag alloy.
Weight is probably a big factor why plastic is used in helmets. Cost may be another reason or comfort-ability etc. Besides what makes you think that the type of plastic used in photography equipment is the same as in military equipment?
Who mentioned military equipment? Besides which, when considering safety equipment that is preventing injury or death, it seems reasonable that cost should not be an issue. Yet we still don't see mag alloy being used.

A crack in a silly little camera is far less important than in something that is going to potentially save you life IMHO.
My camera bag slipped off of my shoulder one day and fell about 3 feet to the ground. In my bag was my 70-200 f4 IS attached to my 7D with a bottle under it between 2 foam inserts. The impact did this.....
The topic of conversation is camera bodies, not lenses.

One could easily argue that if the lens were attached to a lighter weight camera, then less strain would have been placed upon it in the first place.
The metal under the plastic is fine.
Actually it is not. In your photo I can clearly see the metal has been permanently distorted by the impact. Maybe the distortion added pressure to the plastic causing the fracture. Full plastic may have fared better. Again, there is no clear way of knowing.
I doubt that camera body plastic is stronger than lens plastic.
Yes, you doubt but you don't know for a fact. This is the problem with the mag-alloy vs plasic argument. No-one knows for sure and yet a lot of very intelligent people have got sucked into the marketing hype.

We see a lot of discussion on this forum about product differentiation. When the important specs can't be used anymore to split up the product range then the marketing guys can come to the rescue by saying, "yes sir, this one is better because it has a mag alloy body, and that will be another $500 please".
 
Whoa slow down archiebald lol.

You're on some kind of plastic fantastic mission here. It is you that are making claims that are unsubstantiated.... not me. Didn't you say something about helmets and something else regarding flak jackets or something like that. I will go back and check maybe it was someone else.

btw do you work in the plastics industry?

Cheers,

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Whoa slow down archiebald lol.

You're on some kind of plastic fantastic mission here. It is you that are making claims that are unsubstantiated.... not me. Didn't you say something about helmets and something else regarding flak jackets or something like that. I will go back and check maybe it was someone else.

btw do you work in the plastics industry?

Cheers,
Just answering several people at once.

And yes, I work in the plastics industry including molding polycarbonate resin so I know how excellent its impact resistance is, even without being filled. You guys would be amazed at the damage a piece of stray "plastic" can do to a precision machined and hardend injection mold.

I'm certainly not claiming that plastics are necessarily better than metal. I'm just not brainwashed into believing the "its metal so it must be better" marketing hype.
 
Ah sorry, it has been proven time and time again that magnesium alloy is NOT stronger than glass filled polycarbonate, especially in the are that is most critical to camera users - impact resistance.
Really? I like to see the proof that the 60D body can withstand more abuse than that of the 7D. I doubt it.
Really? Why? Because you believe the marketing hype? Or the urban legend?
Am I to assume there is nothing tangible upon which you base your opinion?

My own reasoning is simple. You talk "marketing hype", but Canon's professional cameras are developed in close collaboration with professional photographers (the really good ones). Those photographers know the cameras inside out and their feedback is taken seriously by Canon R&D. If there were advantages to using plastic over magnesium alloy, I'm sure it would have been implemented by now. The fact that people far more knowledgeable than myself prefer to rely on magnesium alloy, is reason enough for me to trust it over plastic.

You can claim that it's all a clever smoke screen and that I'm being fooled by a big conspiracy of manufacturers and photography professionals, but do you advise your surgeon on how to approach the operation as well?
 
b) it massages your ego.
I'm sure there are all sorts of nasty things I could say to this, but actually you're pretty close to the truth. I bought the 7D as a reward for achieving a goal that cost me more to achieve than I care to remember. So yes, it's a luxury, but I earned it the hard way. It's nice to have something like that to remind me of how far I've come.
It was not my intention to offend, and it is nice of you to be so truthful.

Unfortunately, too many people feel the need to justify their choice by slagging off the alternative model. If they were just honest with themselves and others and admitted that they chose x model over y model becaue they wanted it rather than needed it, then I am sure there would be a lot less "fanboy" arguments around here.
I'm not offended, I just think it's a bit silly to pretend that cheaper plastic cameras are superior in strength to high end cameras, and that anyone willing to pay the premium must have been the subject of brainwashing.

There are reasons why all high end bodies are constructed with magnesium alloy. Reasons known best to Canon and the photographers who provide Canon with feedback. I see no sense in doubting their expertise.
 
I wish people would stop acting like increasing MP wouldn't help. It does help.
I'm all ready for a 30mp camera bring it on!
Yeah, right- 30MP on a APS-C sensor...cross talk and a much higher s/n ratio is EXACTLY what we DON'T need. MP is one place where bigger is not necessarily better...

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Insanity is defined as doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a differrent result. Taking the same shot, w/the same exposure and expecting greatness- Hasn't happened for ME, yet... How about you?
 
all that matters is you're happy. I don't like the feel of the plastic. But the notion that the metal build is somehow worse - well, let me say my old 20d fell twice on cement - no problem. My 1dIII has taken it's share of knocks.

I do prefer a more solid feeling camera.

My stance remains - there is a market perception around the feature of metal vs. plastic. When competitor products have a feature the market PERCEIVES as important that feature suddenly becomes important to have.

As I say, it will be interesting to see what Canon does with their 60d/7d replacement(s).
 
my 60D fell of the back of my suv 2 days ago,(set it up there to get something out of the truck and forgot it)...i pulled a few feet ahead in the truck and noticed something fall off and was like ooooh Sh#$....to my surprise the 60D was fine with only a little scrape on the bottom of the body.
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My 7D fell about 2 feet on the concrete. It hit on the corner and cracked the metal and plastic. I had to adj. all my lenses all over again with a +10 but it seems to work fine. I was thinking at the time if it hadn't been metal and so heavy it probably would not of hurt it. But I really do not know. Anyway it still works.
I bought a replacement because it is out of whack so bad.

I have about given up on a replacement or upgrade to the 7D. I am personally looking at alternatives now.
 
John_A_G wrote:

But if you're going to try to champion the argument that plastic is just as good as alloy - good luck with that one. No one's going to buy it.

I bought it and love it :D.
Have you used a metal body like the 20d-50d (or 7d, 1d) as well as your 60d? If you have owned one and find the plastic just as good, great.

But I just haven't heard anyone who has actually owned and used a metal body prefer a plastic one that's all.

Please let me know.
I own a 7D and I would have no qualms about a "plastic" 7D, as long as it was the same fiberglass reinforced polycarbonate over an aluminum chassis, as the 60D. If I had the choice of a lighter 7D or a heavier one, I'd opt for the lighter one! I have no data to back this up, but I think that a reinforced polycarbonate body would bend upon impact whereas the mag alloy would tend to crack or break.

I recently saw a pic of a 2 week old 5D2 that fell off a table and cracked the body. The owner sent it in to Canon for repair and they returned it saying it was "unrepairable".
You might be referring to this one?

http://static.photo.net/attachments/bboard/00X/00XHNe-280431584.jpg
The one that I saw was over on POTN. I tried to find it but couldn't.
I have yet to see any similar image of a plastic bodied Canon DSLR having damage of this type. Plenty have been sold so plenty must have been dropped.
One would think so!
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I so want a new 60d replacement, the swivel screen is a saver in time of need :D

I think lower model has a faster new introduction, it is nearly two years announcement, August would be the time to announce 70d, or 7D II or 8D

Whatever that has the first swivel screen would get my dough !

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How about another way of looking at it. What are the likely events that new cameras get announced at? Trade shows that kind of thing.

I noticed the below when looking at the WIKI for each body.

60D announced on August 26, 2010

7D was announced on September 1, 2009

50D announced the camera on 26 August 2008.[2] The camera was released on 6 October 2008.

40D was initially announced on August 20, 2007 and was released at the end of that month.

So is there an event in late August that Canon announce that product line at or pure coincidence?

I love the 60D, had one that I sold as I was offered a great price (same as grey import) it was bought on release and is coming up on 2 years old. Now I am looking at replacing it. Either with a new 60D or waiting. I can borrow another body to get me through till the 70D or 7D MK II or whatever comes out. Doesn't mean I will stop shooting!

I would just like to make an educated decision on when and what to buy next time.
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Not sure I can hang out till August, I borrowed a 600D today to do some shooting on the weekend. Had a play with it this arvo. Took a re handle to realise that XXXD series body's are so tiny. I have large hands and find that when holding the camera almost 2 fingers dangle off the lower side of the body. Plus my thumb does not fit in the thumb rest spot.
Back command dial is also sorely missed.

I will be waiting for a 7D and or 60D replacement. There is no going back.

Lesson learnt don't sell your old body before you get your new one.
 
so true about keeping one camera handy

lucky I still have 450D to play with 70-200 $ L IS but I so miss having video on 60D which was given to my nephew for his new photography class

wondering if a trade in of 450D with 600D would get me anywhere ?

cheers

xxx
Not sure I can hang out till August, I borrowed a 600D today to do some shooting on the weekend. Had a play with it this arvo. Took a re handle to realise that XXXD series body's are so tiny. I have large hands and find that when holding the camera almost 2 fingers dangle off the lower side of the body. Plus my thumb does not fit in the thumb rest spot.
Back command dial is also sorely missed.

I will be waiting for a 7D and or 60D replacement. There is no going back.

Lesson learnt don't sell your old body before you get your new one.
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