D800: Hands free bracketing w mirror locked up?

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One of the Canon converts to the D800 here. Can't figure out how to replicate on the D800 the settings available on high-end Canon bodies to take a series of exposure bracketed shots with the mirror locked up and without hands on the camera. There are some instructions on the web for using a two step process involving the auto bracket setting and the intervalometer settings, but this doesn't work with the mirror up or with the timer active and, once you launch the intervalometer, there is no delay before the shooting starts. So this approach does not prevent vibration from either mirror or pressing the body to launch the intervalometer. This is a pretty basic requirement for landscape shooting, so I assume I'm missing something in the menus. Or, is the only solution with Nikon to use a remote shutter release? Can anyone help?
 
One of the Canon converts to the D800 here. Can't figure out how to replicate on the D800 the settings available on high-end Canon bodies to take a series of exposure bracketed shots with the mirror locked up and without hands on the camera. There are some instructions on the web for using a two step process involving the auto bracket setting and the intervalometer settings, but this doesn't work with the mirror up or with the timer active and, once you launch the intervalometer, there is no delay before the shooting starts. So this approach does not prevent vibration from either mirror or pressing the body to launch the intervalometer. This is a pretty basic requirement for landscape shooting, so I assume I'm missing something in the menus. Or, is the only solution with Nikon to use a remote shutter release? Can anyone help?
Welcome to the world of Nikon. Remote releases are very cheap.

One thing you can do without remote release is to use the 2/10 second timer along with a setting which delays the shutter release until further after the mirror has moved up. This delay can be set in the menu d4.
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This whole bracketing, Live View, Mirror lockup thing is a serious piece of retardation. Hard to get over when you are used to a reasonable implementation.
Not possible. Get over it.
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Yeah, I'm another Canon convert. I can't understand the need to limit it to 1 stop - really with better DR in the shadows all you need is the +2 and 0 and you certainly don't need to use 1 EV stops. Something someone suggested is to set what would be your 0 shot to +2 then do 0, -2, -1 ,+1, +2 and cancel the sequence after the 0 and -2.
One of the Canon converts to the D800 here. Can't figure out how to replicate on the D800 the settings available on high-end Canon bodies to take a series of exposure bracketed shots with the mirror locked up and without hands on the camera. There are some instructions on the web for using a two step process involving the auto bracket setting and the intervalometer settings, but this doesn't work with the mirror up or with the timer active and, once you launch the intervalometer, there is no delay before the shooting starts. So this approach does not prevent vibration from either mirror or pressing the body to launch the intervalometer. This is a pretty basic requirement for landscape shooting, so I assume I'm missing something in the menus. Or, is the only solution with Nikon to use a remote shutter release? Can anyone help?
 
I'm pretty new to the Nikon world but I think custom function d4 Exposure Delay does what you're asking. The mirror will come down between shots though, it does not stay locked up for the whole sequence.
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Yes you can - sort of - to be absolutely sure I just tried it again. Set bracketing to take 3 shots. Then entered Live View and held down the shutter. The camera fired off three shots and then stopped. The shots were bracketed, and as far as I can tell the shots were fired off at 4 fps. Changed bracketing to 5 shots and repeated the test. The camera fired of 5 bracketed shots as fast as it could and then stopped. Too easy.

However this is not shooting with the mirror up. You can hear five sounds shooting a 3 shot bracket - I assume these are the mirror dropping, then 3 shots, then the mirror raising back up for Liveview.

To have the bracket taken with the mirror up, it is necessary to set the exposure delay (custom menu d4) to say 3 seconds. Then the same sequence is followed with a 3 second delay between raising the mirror and the shot being taken. This is repeated for each shot in the bracket, so it takes over 9 seconds to take a 3 bracket set. You have to hold the shutter down until the bracket is finished.

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Not possible. Get over it.
Stop being a complete jerk. It's very possible. I do it all the time. And I don't need to use Live View. And I have mirror up and delay for the first exposure also.
I'll post details when I get a chance.
 
To have the bracket taken with the mirror up, it is necessary to set the exposure delay (custom menu d4) to say 3 seconds. Then the same sequence is followed with a 3 second delay between raising the mirror and the shot being taken. This is repeated for each shot in the bracket, so it takes over 9 seconds to take a 3 bracket set. You have to hold the shutter down until the bracket is finished.
There is a much better method for when you forget your remote - at the cost of a bit of battery power to run Live view:
  1. Configure Self timer for 2s delay, 3 or 5 shots, at half second intervals
  2. Set bracketing to match 3 or 5 shots etc.
  3. Set Self Timer mode on dial
  4. Enter live view (to enable mirror up)
  5. Press shutter button.
That is 4.5 seconds for 3 shots at 2 fps with one shutter press. (half of which is initial delay for vibration to settle)

Method with remote:
  1. Set bracketing to match 3 or 5 shots etc.
  2. Set Continous shooting mode, High
  3. Enter live view (to enable mirror up)
  4. Press and hold remote shutter release, it will stop at end of sequence
Instant Bang bang bang bang bang at 4-6fps.

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I have been reading the forum and the reviews here at DPReview for many years but never posted anything in the Forum. I realize that this thread is fairly old, July of last year, but davexl's post was the first hit from Google that was easily understood by me, and that worked well. Thanks davexl ! I was so frustrated with bracketing until I read your post.

I did find that there were a few critical steps (at least for me) in davexl's post that were not addressed, so I figured that if this thread was the first hit for me, it might be for others, thus my very first comment on DPReview, in hopes of helping out the next google stumbler.

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davexl's original post with my added comments in BOLD. I couldn't see a way to make them in color:

There is a much better method for when you forget your remote - at the cost of a bit of battery power to run Live view:
  1. Configure Self timer for 2s delay, 3 or 5 shots, at half second intervals
  2. Set bracketing to match 3 or 5 shots etc.
  3. Set Self Timer mode on dial
  4. Focus the shot then turn off auto focus (set to manual) using the lever near the lens release button. If you leave it on, depending on your camera settings it may try to refocus with each following bracket shot, slowing down the process and possibly shifting focus from your original setting.
  5. Enter live view (to enable mirror up)
  6. You can focus here using Live View rather than in step 4 if you wish but you still need to turn off Auto Focus when ready to shoot the bracket string.
  7. Press shutter button.
  8. If you are done with the bracketing setup, return the lever to Auto Focus if you want to use that feature in the next shot.
That is 4.5 seconds for 3 shots at 2 fps with one shutter press. (half of which is initial delay for vibration to settle)

Method with remote:
  1. Set bracketing to match 3 or 5 shots etc.
  2. Set Continous shooting mode, High
  3. With some remotes (wireless particularly) you must set your remote to bulb for this to work, otherwise it will only make one exposure in your bracket set.
  4. Focus the shot then turn off auto focus (set to manual) using the lever near the lens release button. If you leave it on, depending on your camera settings it may try to refocus with each of the following bracket shots, slowing down the process and possibly shifting focus from your original setting.
  5. Enter live view (to enable mirror up)
  6. You can focus here using Live View rather than in step 4 if you wish but you still need to turn off Auto Focus when ready to shoot the bracket string.
  7. Press and hold remote shutter release, it will stop at end of sequence
  8. With some remotes when set to bulb (mostly wireless ones) you must release then press the button again once the bracket sequence is done, otherwise it will just hang there without returning to live view or showing your shot previews. Also be sure that you DO NOT press the remote release button again until the entire bracket string is done, or it will stop firing mid sequence.
  9. If you are done with the bracketing setup, return the lever to Auto Focus if you want to use that feature in the next shot.
Instant Bang bang bang bang bang at 4-6fps.

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This is a fairly complicated process but it does work well. With some practice it becomes instinctive. I would prefer a "permanent" mirror up option on the D800 where the mirror doesn't drop after each shot, without having to go to Live View, but as far as I know that is impossible.

A wired release is a much easier to use for this since you don't need to change it to the Bulb position but I prefer not having a wire flapping in the wind, as I shoot outdoors mostly and it can really get the camera shaking sometimes.

I found that bracketing with very slow shutter speeds using this method does induce quite a bit of vibration that gets worse as the sequence continues, despite the fact that the mirror is up. Shot 9 in a sequence slow shutter speed will be visibly more blurred due to camera shake than shot 1. This is more pronounced with light weight heads / tripods or if you have the center column extended. If you are shooting very slow speeds I would recommend not using this technique. Use Mirror Up and the release, allowing the camera to settle down for whatever time frame is required with your setup, (mine is 15 seconds from Mirror Up with my 400mm before it is totally still) rather than firing the entire bracket sequence at once which will definitely impact your last few shots in a long string.
 
This works well on the D850 (and pretty sure earlier models as well).

The steps are:

1. Set the exposure delay (d5) to .2 or .5 seconds

2. Set the the self-timer (c3) to 2 seconds

3. Setup the auto bracketing to your needs

4. Set the camera to self-timer

5. Press the shutter button. All of the exposures will accur in sequence automatically.

No need to touch the camera or use a cable release.
 
One of the Canon converts to the D800 here. Can't figure out how to replicate on the D800 the settings available on high-end Canon bodies to take a series of exposure bracketed shots with the mirror locked up and without hands on the camera. There are some instructions on the web for using a two step process involving the auto bracket setting and the intervalometer settings, but this doesn't work with the mirror up or with the timer active and, once you launch the intervalometer, there is no delay before the shooting starts. So this approach does not prevent vibration from either mirror or pressing the body to launch the intervalometer. This is a pretty basic requirement for landscape shooting, so I assume I'm missing something in the menus. Or, is the only solution with Nikon to use a remote shutter release? Can anyone help?
You set up bracketing ,put the camera in Liveview so the mirrors out the way set the body for CH ,set body to Manual focus , focus in LV , close OVF shutte in case of a light leak ,press and hold the Remote control till the sequence is done, then I believe you have to give it a half press to exit bracketing
 

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