The D800 does what it's not supposed to do

Luke -

Thank you.

BTW, it's clear to me that the correlated noise eg. streaking is biting me well before the gaussian stuff is an issue. I think the pixel peeping is not so useful for these beasts, at least for predicting Hi-ISO usability.

Edmund

Luke Kaven said:

I think he's referring to Buffyzdead and not to you. I think you might have convinced him you might be one and the same, but I'm sure that's not the case. For the record, you and I are not having a dust-up of any kind.

emdundronald said:

Luke seems to want to push the ISO edge, and accepts the noise tradeoff. I want smooth slide-like images which is why I bought a different model camera, and use it well within its abilities. This makes for an interesting discussion, but it does not justify your calling me names. Are you over 14?

Edmund

Hotphotons said:

Luke

He's one of the do#che bags who doesn't get it. I appreciate the pictures and the discussion. Please don't let people like this discourage you.

Thanks for your efforts.

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I agree. I've been holding out hope that the D4 can tame pattern noise up to about ISO51k2. I'd like to think it will let me push the envelope in that certain place. But I'm not sure yet. I don't yet know how the combination of noise and resolution will weigh against one another in the overall perception of image quality.

emdundronald said:

Thank you.

BTW, it's clear to me that the correlated noise eg. streaking is biting me well before the gaussian stuff is an issue. I think the pixel peeping is not so useful for these beasts, at least for predicting Hi-ISO usability.

Edmund

Luke Kaven said:

I think he's referring to Buffyzdead and not to you. I think you might have convinced him you might be one and the same, but I'm sure that's not the case. For the record, you and I are not having a dust-up of any kind.

emdundronald said:

Luke seems to want to push the ISO edge, and accepts the noise tradeoff. I want smooth slide-like images which is why I bought a different model camera, and use it well within its abilities. This makes for an interesting discussion, but it does not justify your calling me names. Are you over 14?

Edmund

Hotphotons said:

Luke

He's one of the do#che bags who doesn't get it. I appreciate the pictures and the discussion. Please don't let people like this discourage you.

Thanks for your efforts.

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Ouch, my name is mistyped - my name is Edmund Ronald
http://edmund-nikon-d4.blogspot.fr/

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Andre De Angelis said:

Canon 5D3



D800



It's obvious that since Nikon announced the price increases, you've lost all perspective and gone from a brand neutral photographer into manic Canon Fanboy territory.

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I own both system. Phil Collins said "Both Side of The Story". I showed good things from both system in the past. I will in he future. One at a time.

The important thing is, I keep the truth. Traceable, source is clear, other people have seen it.

I tell you what:
It is nice to use both system. You should try it to open your mind.

rondhamalam said:

I own both system. Phil Collins said "Both Side of The Story". I showed good things from both system in the past. I will in he future. One at a time.

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No, you lost your marbles when Nikon announced the price rise and you cancelled your order because you said you felt cheated.

How stupid was that, seeing as Nikon then announced they would honor existing per orders?

Since then, you've begun some mindless crusade to evangelize the 5D3, using the most pathetic arguments - such as the fact that it's claimed base ISO of 25,600 ISO proves it must have better high ISO capabilities.

Well guess what! Not even the Canon guys are buying your BS.

Grow up and get a life.

Nightscapes are different from day shots because of the deep shadows which will show up the correlated noise and sensor structure immediately to the human eye.

All the engineering measurements are worthless in the presence of discernibly correlated noise - as quickly demonstrated by the fact that everyone can read a copyright watermark stamped in a small corner of an image.

So maybe now the pixel peeping is over, and it is time for subjective assessment.

I'd say that the D4 is a wonderful available light camera, shooting perfect 6400 ISO and probably much more in illuminated conditions, sports etc but night cityscape shots require special handling or retouching on every dSLR - because a clean uniform dark background is essential here.

The "not a cat" image is not really a night picture, it is an end of twilight picture, and therefore has no extended shadow areas, which is why it works so well.
http://edmund-nikon-d4.blogspot.fr/2012/03/nikon-d4-6400-iso-not-cat.html

Edmund

Luke Kaven said:

I agree. I've been holding out hope that the D4 can tame pattern noise up to about ISO51k2. I'd like to think it will let me push the envelope in that certain place. But I'm not sure yet. I don't yet know how the combination of noise and resolution will weigh against one another in the overall perception of image quality.

emdundronald said:

Thank you.

BTW, it's clear to me that the correlated noise eg. streaking is biting me well before the gaussian stuff is an issue. I think the pixel peeping is not so useful for these beasts, at least for predicting Hi-ISO usability.

Edmund

Luke Kaven said:

I think he's referring to Buffyzdead and not to you. I think you might have convinced him you might be one and the same, but I'm sure that's not the case. For the record, you and I are not having a dust-up of any kind.

emdundronald said:

Luke seems to want to push the ISO edge, and accepts the noise tradeoff. I want smooth slide-like images which is why I bought a different model camera, and use it well within its abilities. This makes for an interesting discussion, but it does not justify your calling me names. Are you over 14?

Edmund

Hotphotons said:

Luke

He's one of the do#che bags who doesn't get it. I appreciate the pictures and the discussion. Please don't let people like this discourage you.

Thanks for your efforts.

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Ouch, my name is mistyped - my name is Edmund Ronald
http://edmund-nikon-d4.blogspot.fr/

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I so hate sodium lamps with their monochrome spectrum. They have ruined night photography forever! Time was you could go out an capture a full spectrum with street lamps. Really made for some interesting scenes. I can't believe that the whole world went ugly in the last few years, and that we will literally never "see" completely at night again.

Andre De Angelis said:

rondhamalam said:

I own both system. Phil Collins said "Both Side of The Story". I showed good things from both system in the past. I will in he future. One at a time.

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No, you lost your marbles when Nikon announced the price rise and you cancelled your order because you said you felt cheated.

How stupid was that, seeing as Nikon then announced they would honor existing per orders?

Since then, you've begun some mindless crusade to evangelize the 5D3, using the most pathetic arguments - such as the fact that it's claimed base ISO of 25,600 ISO proves it must have better high ISO capabilities.

Well guess what! Not even the Canon guys are buying your BS.

Grow up and get a life.

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Lol
I think you are the one who need to grow up mate.
I am relax here
I can feel the freedom like everybody else. I am not tied to one system.

So relax mate, and get a life.

Sorry forgot to send the iso 8000 on full view

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(source: http://www.jaroslavrepta.com/2012/03/13/canon-5d-mark-iii-hands-on-review/ )

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I see you keep posting one of my 100% crops next to your 5D3 sample. I don't think these are comparable samples.

My crop (the bridge crop, not the other one) purposely isolates the very lowest tones in the scene. This is a good 2-3 stops under the 5D3 shot. Also, you'd have to downsample the D800 image to match the Canon's 22MP.