A new Canon lens for our Fuji

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Hi all,

As I mentioned in an earlier post, we recently purchased a second Canon TC DC58a teleconverter lens. The one we originally got for the S100fs has found a new home on Temple's S5-IS:



... so I had to buy another one for the Fuji:









This TC is definitely a big improvement over our Sony DH1758 lens, on all our cameras.

Kenn

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Stop it, you're just going to make it harder for the rest of us to find one for a decent price! :D
Well after some waiting and watching, we got lucky twice on ebay. Both of our copies were obtained for under $50usd. I think Steve Cooper and Larry Winters also found similar prices at various vendors. They're readily available at higher prices ($150-250usd), but with patience some quite good deals can be found.

Anyway, we won't be buying any more of them soon... but we will be putting one of our Sony DH1758s up on ebay shortly. :)

Kenn
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Wow, these are amazing shots, you are really close to those birds in more than one way, very special pics! :-)

Josip
 
Stop it, you're just going to make it harder for the rest of us to find one for a decent price! :D
Well after some waiting and watching, we got lucky twice on ebay. Both of our copies were obtained for under $50usd. I think Steve Cooper and Larry Winters also found similar prices at various vendors. They're readily available at higher prices ($150-250usd), but with patience some quite good deals can be found.

Anyway, we won't be buying any more of them soon... but we will be putting one of our Sony DH1758s up on ebay shortly. :)
How do you attach the converter to 67mm s100fs thread size, any consequence for using step down adapter?
 
How do you attach the converter to 67mm s100fs thread size, any consequence for using step down adapter?
A 67-58mm step ring works fine... we already had one, but they are inexpensive.

Vignetting begins @120mm (80mm x 1.5x) with the S100fs, so the focal length range becomes approximately 120-600mm with the teleconverter mounted. We shoot almost exclusively at the long-end, so vignetting really isn't a concern for us. But when shooting at 400mm or less, I'd just leave it off... It's heavy.

Hope this helps,

Kenn

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I have also just bought one of these lenses to use with my S100fs and hopefully soon an X-S1 based largely on these excellent examples that you have posted. I got a reasonably good price for it (by europe standards) and hope for it to be an upgrade to my Raynox 2.2x which was ok but not particularly sharp. I'm still waiting for the ring adapter to arrive to try out the Canon but maybe when I get it I will do some comparisons with the Raynox and post them. The first thing I noticed about it was the weight as it weighs considerably more than the plastic bodied Raynox (522g compared to 282g). I do like well-made metal gear but am a little worried about it dangling off the end of my camera lens - more so if/when I get the X-S1. Guess I'll just have to be careful to support it.

I find that even with the reach of the Raynox which gives about 1000mm on the S100, I am still having to crop the crap out of my shots of small birds to get them to fill the image and I am not that far away. I wonder if you could talk a bit about how far away you are from the birds in these pictures, how you arrange things to get close, and if you crop much/at all. Thanks in advance and please keep posting these great pictures.
 
How do you attach the converter to 67mm s100fs thread size, any consequence for using step down adapter?
A 67-58mm step ring works fine... we already had one, but they are inexpensive.

Vignetting begins @120mm (80mm x 1.5x) with the S100fs, so the focal length range becomes approximately 120-600mm with the teleconverter mounted. We shoot almost exclusively at the long-end, so vignetting really isn't a concern for us. But when shooting at 400mm or less, I'd just leave it off... It's heavy.

Hope this helps,

Kenn
Thanks, just the information I need. I will keep an eye on ebay for this TC. Do you know how much inferior is the 58C version (1.4x, seems much smaller and lighter).
Thanks

DS
 
Kenn,

I also have a Sony DSC-F828 besides my Fuji S100fs.

I use the Sony DH lens on my 828 because (according to Sony) the barrel could crack if the heavier (and older) TC lenses were used.

I hope that isn't the case with the Fuji, but just to be on the safe side, I support the TC itself and the barrel when the Canon lens is attached to my Fuji.

I love the Canon TC on my Fuji- it is awesome and thank you again for sharing!

Steve
 
I have also just bought one of these lenses to use with my S100fs and hopefully soon an X-S1 based largely on these excellent examples that you have posted. I got a reasonably good price for it (by europe standards) and hope for it to be an upgrade to my Raynox 2.2x which was ok but not particularly sharp. I'm still waiting for the ring adapter to arrive to try out the Canon but maybe when I get it I will do some comparisons with the Raynox and post them. The first thing I noticed about it was the weight as it weighs considerably more than the plastic bodied Raynox (522g compared to 282g). I do like well-made metal gear but am a little worried about it dangling off the end of my camera lens - more so if/when I get the X-S1. Guess I'll just have to be careful to support it.

I find that even with the reach of the Raynox which gives about 1000mm on the S100, I am still having to crop the crap out of my shots of small birds to get them to fill the image and I am not that far away. I wonder if you could talk a bit about how far away you are from the birds in these pictures, how you arrange things to get close, and if you crop much/at all. Thanks in advance and please keep posting these great pictures.
Hi Simon and thanks for your comments.

The DC58a is heavy that's sure true, but our S100fs seems to handle the weight without any problem. Even fully extended there is no play in the lens barrel and it feels very solid. I don't know if the same woud be true with the XS1, but supporting the extended lens assembly as you shoot is natural and advisable anyway if you're shooting hand-held.

And yes, anyone who shoots songbirds will often need to crop no matter how much reach their gear has. We usually find it necessary to crop for composition anyway, even when we are close, because most opportunities are fleeting at best and there's seldom time for accurately composing a shot in-camera.

But getting close is always key to capturing the detail that all birders strive for... and long focal lengths and/or cropping usually just aren't enough. There are two very effective ways to get our lenses closer to the birds... and both of them require a lot of patience:

Use a hide, set up where you expect the birds will come, and wait for them. Be prepared to come away empty at least on some outings.
Or, if you have the time and resources at hand...

Develope your own habitat, and make yourself a regular and prominent part of it. We have cultivated our backyard bird garden over many years... providing our native songbirds with every incentive to live and raise their families here. And we are out in the yard amongst them for hours every day of the year... shooting. We don't need to hide ourselves from them or sneak up on them. They come and go about their daily routines fully expecting us to be in their midst, and many of our regulars routinely land very near to us with little or no fear... (the shots in this set were taken from @8-16 ft).

We've been at this for a long time, but we've got lots of beautiful birds here everyday now... and we've captured 70 species with our cameras (so far) right in the comfort of our own backyard.

Hope this is helpful,

Kenn

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Thanks so much for the detailed answer! Those are exactly the things I was interested in finding out. I'm still waiting for the adapter ring to arrive but looking forward to seeing what I can do with the Canon lens. I am planning to experiment with remote shutter control with the camera set toward a bird table or feeder and perhaps using off camera flashes to see what can be achieved that way too. I'll post the results if any seem worthy! In the meantime, here is a shot I captured with the Raynox - not a terrible image but definitely room for improvement!



 
Hi Kenn, they seem to lack something from what you normally post. Is it your PP or the TC, they lack some of your punch.
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Thanks, just the information I need. I will keep an eye on ebay for this TC. Do you know how much inferior is the 58C version (1.4x, seems much smaller and lighter).
Thanks
Hi DS,

Sorry I don't have any experience with the 58C. I suspect that its smaller size and cost put it in a different class than the 58A, perhaps moreso than the small difference in magnification would imply. I don't think I've seen any examples with that lens, so I really can't say.

Kenn

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Kenn & Temple - Backyard Birders in St.Louis, MO USA
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com
 
Kenn,

I also have a Sony DSC-F828 besides my Fuji S100fs.

I use the Sony DH lens on my 828 because (according to Sony) the barrel could crack if the heavier (and older) TC lenses were used.

I hope that isn't the case with the Fuji, but just to be on the safe side, I support the TC itself and the barrel when the Canon lens is attached to my Fuji.

I love the Canon TC on my Fuji- it is awesome and thank you again for sharing!

Steve
Hi Steve,

We'll be keeping one of our DH1758s also... I'm using it with the S3-IS on a tripod to monitor our Bluebirds' nestbox while I'm working downstairs. The DC58A is heavy, but it feels good and solid mounted on both the S5-IS and the S100fs. I'm pretty confident using it on these cams and don't expect any problems.

Glad you're enjoying yours too.

Kenn

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Kenn & Temple - Backyard Birders in St.Louis, MO USA
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Wow, these are amazing shots, you are really close to those birds in more than one way, very special pics! :-)
Wow those are some very sharp shots!
What a beautiful series, Kenn!
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Jada
Thanks grumpyolderman, Dim67, and Jada...

We are indeed close to our birds here, and we love to share them with others who enjoy them. You are the primary reason for us to post them.

Kenn

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Kenn & Temple - Backyard Birders in St.Louis, MO USA
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com
 
Thanks, just the information I need. I will keep an eye on ebay for this TC. Do you know how much inferior is the 58C version (1.4x, seems much smaller and lighter).
Thanks
Hi DS,

Sorry I don't have any experience with the 58C. I suspect that its smaller size and cost put it in a different class than the 58A, perhaps moreso than the small difference in magnification would imply. I don't think I've seen any examples with that lens, so I really can't say.
OK, I'll get the 58A..
Thanks

DS
 
Hi Kenn, they seem to lack something from what you normally post. Is it your PP or the TC, they lack some of your punch.
Hi Daniel,
Hmmm, I didn't think so... but I appreciate your feedback.

My workflow is pretty consistent, but the specific processes and values I use are dependent on the individual characteristics of each capture, and tend to vary quite significantly from shot to shot. Every image is different naturally, and some are surely better than others to begin with, but I'm not sure I do all of them equal justice in post. Of course using any TC will bring both the advantage of putting more pixels on the subject at any given distance, as well as the disadvantage of whatever distortions or loss of light are produced by the additional glass. But I must say the DC58a seems a very good quality lens with far less distortion than our Sony TCs, and its large objective gathers noticeably more light also.

I guess I can't be totally objective myself, but I'm looking hard to see whatever differences you might be noticing...

Here's the link to our S100fs gallery: (which includes shots using both Canon TCs, the Sony TC, and the bare Fuji lens with no TC at all)
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/s100fs/16904979_NvPD8G
Anybody else seeing this?

Thanks,

Kenn

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The pictures do indeed have the larger sensor 3D effect! I was wondering how well this converter might work on the HS20 or 30, since both natively support 58mm filters and converters.

Also, what's the differences between that teleconverter and all these I found on B and H and will these work just as well?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Canon+TC+DC58a&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

Canon

TC-DC58D 58mm 1.4x Teleconverter Lens

Canon

TC-DC58N 1.75x Teleconverter Lens

Canon

TC-DC58B 1.5x Teleconverter Lens

The prices are decent on all of these and theyre not very heavy.
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