Why is the overexposed area on Silkypix from the X-Pro turn into green???

Note that Sillypix 5 is not available if you use a Mac!
I would give the 30 days trial full version of Silkypix Pro 5 a try and see,
what it can do for You:

http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/

As always...

...if there is a problem with a file, it should be made available as RAW,
to make the issue reproduceable and better solvable. ;)

P.S.:

You can find the manual here:

http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/support/manual/dsp5/man0001.html

P.P.S.:

A issue report on this site:

http://www.silkypixforum.com/

...is pretty effective.

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I agree Petteri - it really is awful.

I wish camera makers would stop bundling bad software and just get on board with Adobe and Apple well in advance of the launch of their products so that Aperture, LR and so on are all ready and waiting when the cameras are launched.

I just do not understand why the process is so disjointed. I cannot decide if it is gross incompetence, laziness or stupidity.
...you can get rid of it by bringing up the "Highlight controller" (View menu) and sliding the first slider (Chroma/Luminance) all the way right to Luminance.

What a god-awful program. The results are much worse than in-camera JPEG, and it has warts like this. I can't wait for Lightroom support. Would it help if I threw a tantrum?

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Note that Sillypix 5 is not available if you use a Mac!
Wow...

...You should read this:
The link to the Beta doesn't work...
The link to the main page with the hint and link to the Beta should work:

http://www.silkypixforum.com/

If You have any questions, ask in the silkypixforum
and / or make the RAW available, that one has the chance to find Your issue.
I am using iMac 27inch, I thnk it's a Radeon card? Well, looks like i will have to wait for the Mac RAW support then. For the meantime, I will shoot JPG all the way. The OOC is pretty good as is.
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Kim
Well,

looks like You just have to download the Silkypix Pro 4 trial version for mac:

http://www2.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/download/dl_dspmac.cgi

...or the beta of the mac version of Silkypix Pro 5:

http://www.silkypixforum.com/...=383&sid=39991344a4f2ed2639fd74ad34259416

;)

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Envy is the highest form of recognition.

Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
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Kim
Btw.:

Note, that Silkypix Pro 4 for Mac is also a choice! ;)

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Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
 
It's Beta only. I don't count that as available.

I also have to pay for 5 when/if it becomes available and I for one am not prepared to pay for a program to use on only one camera.
Note that Sillypix 5 is not available if you use a Mac!
Wow...

...You should read this:
The link to the Beta doesn't work...
The link to the main page with the hint and link to the Beta should work:

http://www.silkypixforum.com/

If You have any questions, ask in the silkypixforum
and / or make the RAW available, that one has the chance to find Your issue.
I am using iMac 27inch, I thnk it's a Radeon card? Well, looks like i will have to wait for the Mac RAW support then. For the meantime, I will shoot JPG all the way. The OOC is pretty good as is.
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Kim
Well,

looks like You just have to download the Silkypix Pro 4 trial version for mac:

http://www2.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/download/dl_dspmac.cgi

...or the beta of the mac version of Silkypix Pro 5:

http://www.silkypixforum.com/...=383&sid=39991344a4f2ed2639fd74ad34259416

;)

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It doesn't matter what You do - it matters how You do it, to get satisfaction!



Envy is the highest form of recognition.

Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
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Kim
Btw.:

Note, that Silkypix Pro 4 for Mac is also a choice! ;)

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It doesn't matter what You do - it matters how You do it, to get satisfaction!



Envy is the highest form of recognition.

Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
 
Buying the most recent version of silkypix seems like a stupid decision, the version In the camera box is almost useless and does not function as advertised. The version supplied with the camera is not free I PAID FOR IT AS PART OF MY CAMERA PURCHASE and why should I expect anything less than a fully functional tool that allows me to use my camera to it's potential?

I have yet to see anyone post useful information in these forums about how to get excellent files with this software, but I have read many complaints.

I have been working with the program diligently but have very little good results to show for an inordinate amount of effort. Specific positive suggestions about it's use or helpful advice about quirks and pitfalls to be avoided would be welcome.

Got any to share?

Are you happy with the files you get from the software supplied with the camera ?
How do you find the user interface compared to ACR or lightroom?
 
Buying the most recent version of silkypix seems like a stupid decision, the version In the camera box is almost useless and does not function as advertised. The version supplied with the camera is not free I PAID FOR IT AS PART OF MY CAMERA PURCHASE and why should I expect anything less than a fully functional tool that allows me to use my camera to it's potential?

I have yet to see anyone post useful information in these forums about how to get excellent files with this software, but I have read many complaints.
In the Sigma / Foveon related forums one can see such examples / comparisons to other converters like LR...

...but they are made with the PRO version!
I have been working with the program diligently but have very little good results to show for an inordinate amount of effort. Specific positive suggestions about it's use or helpful advice about quirks and pitfalls to be avoided would be welcome.

Got any to share?
You just have to show a JPG processed with Your favourite software and provide the RAW including Your suggestions according development goal,
like shadows / noise and / or highlight details, sharpening without artefacts,
color accuracy with a color checker target etc...

...I use Silkypix Pro mainly with my Sigma cameras, where ACR / Lightroom is no good choice.
Are you happy with the files you get from the software supplied with the camera ?
Silkypix was not supplied with a camera I bought - I paid the full price for the Pro version, which I bought for my Sigma cameras,

because I was not happy with the software which was supplied with my Sigma cameras (SPP - Sigma Photo Pro).
How do you find the user interface compared to ACR or lightroom?
I love the UI in comparison to PS and Lightroom...

...the first time I looked in the manual was because someone said rubbish about Silkypix...

...otherwise I probably wouldn't have read a single part of it!

Btw.:

Lightroom 3.6 is no comparison to Silkypix Pro if it is about to manipulate the contrast curve...

...only the new version 4 is something to talk about - especially because of it's meanwhile realistic price tag. ;)

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It doesn't matter what You do - it matters how You do it, to get satisfaction!



Envy is the highest form of recognition.

Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
 
Hi again mr Usee, your comments have not been helpful at all and no, I am not going to buy any other version of Silkypix - I already paid for one with the camera I purchased and it does not work well at all.

If you have some constructive and specific suggestions about how to use the one I paid for - not generalities , or blaming the customer (me) so to speak - I am listening.

I have the colour charts, done my homework and read the documentation, combed a couple of forums - due diligence.

I guess you like the software, but I think it is bad - overly complex, slow, rough on hardware (it even warns users at the end of the manual!) and the few good files I have made took an inordinate amount of time and effort.

I want to take pictures instead of spending my life in post - production trying to get results I take for granted and achieve quickly with the tools I like and am used to.

I am surprised there are not more posts about using the RAW processor sold with the camera - I am certain many other customers are having difficulty too.
 
I am surprised there are not more posts about using the RAW processor sold with the camera - I am certain many other customers are having difficulty too.
I would surmise there are two reasons for it—one, the JPEGs are exceptionally good, and two, most RAW shooters are waiting for Lightrooooom! (Now, please?) So either way, we don't use Silkypix much. The fact that it's so atrociously awful doesn't make for much intelligent conversation, only harrumphing. (Harrumph.)

(I was just checking out some of my old EOS-5D lens test photos in LR4, inspired by smatty's thread, and they're startlingly good at the pixel level. The Fuji JPEGs look blobby and overly contrasty by comparison. I can't wait to see what LR can squeeze out of these files.)

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Hi again mr Usee, your comments have not been helpful at all and no, I am not going to buy any other version of Silkypix - I already paid for one with the camera I purchased and it does not work well at all.
Fine, it is Your view, nothing else...
If you have some constructive and specific suggestions about how to use the one I paid for - not generalities , or blaming the customer (me) so to speak - I am listening.
I don't have to teach You how to use a software I don't have...

...if You refuse from the start to try the full version one could use and I could explain,
we are really not getting together, but so what?
I have the colour charts, done my homework and read the documentation, combed a couple of forums - due diligence.
Well, maybe, but what You write seems not that plausible to me.
I guess you like the software, but I think it is bad - overly complex, slow, rough on hardware (it even warns users at the end of the manual!) and the few good files I have made took an inordinate amount of time and effort.
That is not my fault.
I am reaching my developing goals more satisfying with Silkypix Pro,
than with Lightroom or others.

Example:








I want to take pictures instead of spending my life in post - production trying to get results I take for granted and achieve quickly with the tools I like and am used to.
Sure, I also do and that is why I like the Pro version of Silkypix,

which has the needed functions like making the own defaults and use them with the automatics one want's for batch processing...

-

...AFAIK the version You are insisting to use and which You are blaming has not the functionality - I probably would'nt use it either...
...but that is the reason, why I use Silkypix Pro.

I have no problems, if You moan about Your problems with Your restricted version...

...but I refuse to accept, that You blame Silkypix in general and that You refuse to try the Pro version...

...Lightroom isn't also for free.
I am surprised there are not more posts about using the RAW processor sold with the camera - I am certain many other customers are having difficulty too.
I am not,

because mostly the unsatisfied custumers are the one who are seen in public...
...the satisfied mostly don't feel the need to tout around,
they just work with what they have and don't cry for more! ;)

A old saying is: 1 unsatisfied customer weights more than a 100 satisfied...

...that is, why I would guess that the most customers are still using OOC JPG,
or their own workflow independent of the bundled software,
or are satisfied with what they have.

-

What do You think how many millions of bundled (restricted) Silkypix versions are delivered...

...and how many unsatisfied customers can be seen? :P

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Envy is the highest form of recognition.

Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
 
Worth a read and confirms my conviction that this software is cheap, junk. I have used a lot of RAW processors and this is the worst.
I really like Silkypix. I have bought the last 2 Pro versions, after getting a taste of it with my Panasonic G1. I'm sorry you are frustrated with it.
That said, I have been struggling with it for 2 days in a effort to get a file out of it that has not been over or under saturated, and that has noise characteristics that I deem acceptable. Colour balancing with this tool is a joke. It is a game of "where did they hide the switch" the manual is almost useless.
I would really appreciate being able to work with your troublesome file - could you make the RAW available to me, please?

In my experience with the X10 the only part about the bundled software that could cause an issue is that, by default, the chroma noise control is set too high. It adds noise smearing where it should reduce noise, on certain saturated colours.

It is quite possible that you won't have that problem with the X-Pro 1.

There is a simple, text-based tutorial on getting to grips with Silkypix in the link in my signature.

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Silkypix tutorials at: http://photo.computerwyse.com
 
I also have to pay for 5 when/if it becomes available and I for one am not prepared to pay for a program to use on only one camera.
You don't have to pay for Silkypix restricted to one camera. Only the bundled versions are restricted, and you can get around that with some extra work.

All paid versions work with any of the 100+ cameras and even have support, usually before anyone else, for the latest cameras such as the Nikon D800.

I use Silkypix on everything. I much prefer it to any Adobe product.

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Trevor G

Silkypix tutorials at: http://photo.computerwyse.com
 
Buying the most recent version of silkypix seems like a stupid decision, the version In the camera box is almost useless and does not function as advertised.
A Polish site had JPEGs and the matching RAWs for download a week or two ago.

I had no trouble matching RAW to JPEG output, although I was using DSP5 (the latest Pro version).

However, in my experience working on X10 files, there is only one real flaw or trap between the bundled and bought version, as I have already pointed out in this thread. That might no longer apply with the later version you probably have.
Are you happy with the files you get from the software supplied with the camera ?
Yes.
How do you find the user interface compared to ACR or lightroom?
Far superior to Lightroom. (I haven't used ACR.)

It's just a matter of getting used to it. ;-)

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Trevor G

Silkypix tutorials at: http://photo.computerwyse.com
 
Hi Trevor,
Worth a read and confirms my conviction that this software is cheap, junk. I have used a lot of RAW processors and this is the worst.
I really like Silkypix. I have bought the last 2 Pro versions, after getting a taste of it with my Panasonic G1. I'm sorry you are frustrated with it.
That said, I have been struggling with it for 2 days in a effort to get a file out of it that has not been over or under saturated, and that has noise characteristics that I deem acceptable. Colour balancing with this tool is a joke. It is a game of "where did they hide the switch" the manual is almost useless.
I would really appreciate being able to work with your troublesome file - could you make the RAW available to me, please?

In my experience with the X10 the only part about the bundled software that could cause an issue is that, by default, the chroma noise control is set too high. It adds noise smearing where it should reduce noise, on certain saturated colours.

It is quite possible that you won't have that problem with the X-Pro 1.

There is a simple, text-based tutorial on getting to grips with Silkypix in the link in my signature.

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Cheers ;-)

Trevor G

Silkypix tutorials at: http://photo.computerwyse.com
beside Your tutorial:

http://photo.computerwyse.com/tutorials/silkypix/getstarted1.html

...one can also take a look here:

http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/features/index.html#features

...if one want's to see some examples, how to use this mighty tool.

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Envy is the highest form of recognition.

Stop to run, start to think.
Think twice - that doubles the fun!

Your world is as big, as Your mind.
Avoid to have only one point of view!

Uli
 
I have been using the XP1 (pre-production) for more than 8 weeks, and I have also developed more than a hundred of RAW files with Silkypix (Mac), using the buggy bundled version first, then switching to Pro version 4. I'd certainly like to see version 5 become available for my Mac rather sooner than later.

Now, as you may or may not agree to when looking at my samples posted on Flickr ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/25805910@N05/sets/72157629380067295/ ), Silkypix is able to produce watchable results with the XP1.

Since no other RAW converter is offering support for the XP1 as of now, we can't compare their performances. I did however compare X100 RAWs on Silky 4, LR4, Aperture 3 and DxO Pro 7 and found significant differences regarding quality. My findings show that LR4 does the best job (and leads to great results without much user interaction), followed by Aperture and Silkypix. DxO performed the worst due to some overly aggressive NR, but except for that, it's pretty good, as well.

Silky 4 has pretty bad default settings and needs an experienced user in order to get nice looking results. LR4 typically gets it right by default, which is nice, but it will also make many users lazy, as they'll settle with the second best (aka default) result. With Silky, you can't just settle with defaults, you have to work with the file, and while you are busy doing that, why not doing it right?

As for the XP1, the challenge is demosaicing. Accessing full sharpness and detail of the X-Trans can quickly lead to artefacts, so I guess this is what Adobe is currently busy working on. I guess they want to get it right. I'm confident they'll pull it off, but seeing is believing. Also, Fuji is definitely giving Adobe all the support they need, at least that's what all my Fuji sources keep telling me. It's not like Adobe had to reverse-engineer the X-Trans. Apple and other developers may have to do this, and that may be the reason why we won't see other RAW converters offer (decent) support for the XP1 and other X-Trans cameras in the future.

As for now, I'm more or less happy with my Silky 4, waiting for version 5 on my Mac. I already received my license code, as the upgrade is free of charge for those who buy the old version 4.
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