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Greetings! I am brand new to this forum but not to photography. I am currently between cameras and just recently became aware of the SD9. I have read all of the specs put out by Sigma and have read up on the X3 technology. You people are the true critics. Please help. I'v tried others Olympus E20n not happy. Still shooting with Olympus 3030. I know, Iknow , you can't be serious. But I have taken some pretty good shots with this little point and shoot. I am ready to move up to the big time in digital. Without spending a fortune. Actually, looking at the Canon D60 as a potential buy.

Joe
--
Always aim for perfection!
 
Greetings! I am brand new to this forum but not to photography. I
am currently between cameras and just recently became aware of the
SD9. I have read all of the specs put out by Sigma and have read up
on the X3 technology. You people are the true critics. Please help.
I'v tried others Olympus E20n not happy. Still shooting with
Olympus 3030. I know, Iknow , you can't be serious. But I have
taken some pretty good shots with this little point and shoot. I am
ready to move up to the big time in digital. Without spending a
fortune. Actually, looking at the Canon D60 as a potential buy.

Joe
--
Always aim for perfection!
Wow! Have you invited a discussion. It's the best DSLR for th money. I wouldn't listen to th bashers that don't even use the camera, listen to the people that have experience with the camera itself, the people that use it they will be honest with you about what it can and can't do. I don't have one yet but will be buying one in Feb. I thank all the basher, the pro nikon, canon, people for helping me with my decision, if they hate a camera that much it must be great.
Enjoy
Roger J.
 
What will be your shooting habits Joe. Sports, landscapes, portraits, macro work or pretty general all around. Once you decide on that, you may be able to decide on what body to go with.
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Mike
 
Before looking at price, consider what you'll have to pay for the entire system. Due to Sigma's generally lower-priced lenses this could make the SD9 cheaper (financially speaking).

It depends on what you're willing to compromise on just for the "right" to own this new technology. If you have a massive amount of patience and know going in all of the problems with the SD9, then it might be for you.

But please look at Phil's review before you spend you hard earned money and possibly make a mistake.

Canon D60 - Highly Recommended
Nikon D100 - Highly Recommended
Fuji S2 Pro - Highly Recommended
Canon 1Ds - Highly Recommended [in a different price bracket though]

Sigma SD9 - Recommended

I suggest you collect all of the facts, and use common sense in making your decision - as I have.

--Steve
 
Before looking at price, consider what you'll have to pay for the
entire system. Due to Sigma's generally lower-priced lenses this
could make the SD9 cheaper (financially speaking).
But you can buy those same lenses (and others) for the Nikon and Canon bodies. Thus the lens cost issue is does not really exist (if anything it is better with a non-Sigma mount).
It depends on what you're willing to compromise on just for the
"right" to own this new technology. If you have a massive amount
of patience and know going in all of the problems with the SD9,
then it might be for you.

But please look at Phil's review before you spend you hard earned
money and possibly make a mistake.

Canon D60 - Highly Recommended
Nikon D100 - Highly Recommended
Fuji S2 Pro - Highly Recommended
Canon 1Ds - Highly Recommended [in a different price bracket though]

Sigma SD9 - Recommended

I suggest you collect all of the facts, and use common sense in
making your decision - as I have.
I think this is generally good advise. I was a bit surprise that DPREVIEW gave it a "Recommended" when you consider the problems it identified.

I thought Steve's Digicams gave a nice tight statement at the end (bottom of Page 7)
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/sd9_pg7.html

"For a "first effort" I think that Sigma has put together a very capable camera that will only get better in the future. Do I recommend it? With the Nikon D100 and Canon D60 being available for only $200-400 more, I'd pass on the SD9 until it matures a bit."

Imagine Resources had a similar conclusion:
From the bottom of the conclusions page at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/SD9/SD9A12.HTM

"As the first digital camera from a company not previously involved in the digital world at all, the SD9 is a remarkable achievement. It clearly has a number of limitations though, some of them serious. Taken as a whole, I think users give up an awful lot of capability for the roughly $400 in price that separates it from the competing models from Nikon and Canon "

Unfortunately there are a lot of valid problems that have been indentified with the SD9 as it currently stands. These severely limit the camera for general purpose use when compared to the other DLSRs and that is before you consider the issues unique to using a Sigma Mount (namely the lens choices).

People that identify these faults or point them out are called "bashers" and trolls by people that don't seem to want to admit to the problems or think people should shot around them. Or that someone of great skill could shoot around them. I don't see what one should have to shoot around the the problems the SD9 has today when you can buy DSLRs that don't have these problems.

I suggest you read through the similar topic on whether to buy and SD9. I have made my comments there.

For the record, I have a Canon DSLR, but I don't advocate Canon over Nikon and Fuji's S2. I consider the Canon and Nikon mounts have more and better choice today and safer bets in the long run for a lens system, not because a love either company or hate Sigma (I have a Simga lens I like a lot). I think that if you lay all the facts out and take the emotion, they make more sense today for most people.
 
Greetings! I am brand new to this forum but not to photography. I
am currently between cameras and just recently became aware of the
SD9. I have read all of the specs put out by Sigma and have read up
on the X3 technology. You people are the true critics. Please help.
I'v tried others Olympus E20n not happy. Still shooting with
Olympus 3030. I know, Iknow , you can't be serious. But I have
taken some pretty good shots with this little point and shoot. I am
ready to move up to the big time in digital. Without spending a
fortune. Actually, looking at the Canon D60 as a potential buy.
You've probably already noticed it, but just in case:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=4086870

Rennie

--
Sony F717
http://www.pbase.com/renniep
 
I do!

http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk/sd9_day_1

1600 pictures taken so far. Will upload a lot more pictures very soon. (All the bird pictures on Pbase is taken for my mom, and almost all have ISO 400-1600, try to look beyond them!)

Happy hunting!
Greetings! I am brand new to this forum but not to photography. I
am currently between cameras and just recently became aware of the
SD9. I have read all of the specs put out by Sigma and have read up
on the X3 technology. You people are the true critics. Please help.
I'v tried others Olympus E20n not happy. Still shooting with
Olympus 3030. I know, Iknow , you can't be serious. But I have
taken some pretty good shots with this little point and shoot. I am
ready to move up to the big time in digital. Without spending a
fortune. Actually, looking at the Canon D60 as a potential buy.

Joe
--
Always aim for perfection!
--
Carl Rytterfalk
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk
Proud SD9 owner.
 
What will be your shooting habits Joe. Sports, landscapes,
portraits, macro work or pretty general all around.
Mike
Mike,

--All of the above with the exception of sports. Landscapes are the bulk of it, some macro for industry mags annd portriats once in a while.

Always aim for perfection!
 
Before looking at price, consider what you'll have to pay for the
entire system. Due to Sigma's generally lower-priced lenses this
could make the SD9 cheaper (financially speaking).

It depends on what you're willing to compromise on just for the
"right" to own this new technology. If you have a massive amount
of patience and know going in all of the problems with the SD9,
then it might be for you.

But please look at Phil's review before you spend you hard earned
money and possibly make a mistake.

Canon D60 - Highly Recommended
Nikon D100 - Highly Recommended
Fuji S2 Pro - Highly Recommended
Canon 1Ds - Highly Recommended [in a different price bracket though]

Sigma SD9 - Recommended

I suggest you collect all of the facts, and use common sense in
making your decision - as I have.

--Steve
Steve,

Read Phil's reviews, have looked through 75-80% of the comments on this here in the forum. After reading the reviews I was 80% convienced SD9 was it. But, after reading some of the comments here in the forum I'm not so sure any more.

The thing is, I do not shoot for a living any more. But I do want the best for my money, to me ultra sharpness is key. However, I do not want to bend over backwards and re-learn everything I know.

If money was no object I would not even hesitate to go with the D1s or for that matter, lets take it a big leap further and go with a digital med format.

The point is, I love photography and enjoy it as a hobby now, I shoot every chance I get. The camera goes with me everywhere, even on business trips, on the chance I'll get out for a moment or two and shoot the local landscape.

When I print the photos I want the people who view them to feel my emotion when I was there live, not just view them as another snap shot.

I steped away from film and my Canon AE1 ( very first Camera which I still have the boxes for). Had the Canon T-90 after that. Still own a Contax RTS III and a variety of lenses. Bought my wife a low end EOS. I got into digital with an Olympus 3030 and loved the results for my first digital. what I really enjoyed was the control over the final image.

Thak you all for your insight and honesty.
--
Always aim for perfection!
 
Before looking at price, consider what you'll have to pay for the
entire system. Due to Sigma's generally lower-priced lenses this
could make the SD9 cheaper (financially speaking).
But you can buy those same lenses (and others) for the Nikon and
Canon bodies. Thus the lens cost issue is does not really exist
(if anything it is better with a non-Sigma mount).
It depends on what you're willing to compromise on just for the
"right" to own this new technology. If you have a massive amount
of patience and know going in all of the problems with the SD9,
then it might be for you.

But please look at Phil's review before you spend you hard earned
money and possibly make a mistake.

Canon D60 - Highly Recommended
Nikon D100 - Highly Recommended
Fuji S2 Pro - Highly Recommended
Canon 1Ds - Highly Recommended [in a different price bracket though]

Sigma SD9 - Recommended

I suggest you collect all of the facts, and use common sense in
making your decision - as I have.
I think this is generally good advise. I was a bit surprise that
DPREVIEW gave it a "Recommended" when you consider the problems it
identified.

I thought Steve's Digicams gave a nice tight statement at the end
(bottom of Page 7)
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2002_reviews/sd9_pg7.html

"For a "first effort" I think that Sigma has put together a very
capable camera that will only get better in the future. Do I
recommend it? With the Nikon D100 and Canon D60 being available
for only $200-400 more, I'd pass on the SD9 until it matures a bit."

Imagine Resources had a similar conclusion:
From the bottom of the conclusions page at:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/SD9/SD9A12.HTM

"As the first digital camera from a company not previously involved
in the digital world at all, the SD9 is a remarkable achievement.
It clearly has a number of limitations though, some of them
serious. Taken as a whole, I think users give up an awful lot of
capability for the roughly $400 in price that separates it from the
competing models from Nikon and Canon "

Unfortunately there are a lot of valid problems that have been
indentified with the SD9 as it currently stands. These severely
limit the camera for general purpose use when compared to the other
DLSRs and that is before you consider the issues unique to using a
Sigma Mount (namely the lens choices).

People that identify these faults or point them out are called
"bashers" and trolls by people that don't seem to want to admit to
the problems or think people should shot around them. Or that
someone of great skill could shoot around them. I don't see what
one should have to shoot around the the problems the SD9 has today
when you can buy DSLRs that don't have these problems.

I suggest you read through the similar topic on whether to buy and
SD9. I have made my comments there.

For the record, I have a Canon DSLR, but I don't advocate Canon
over Nikon and Fuji's S2. I consider the Canon and Nikon mounts
have more and better choice today and safer bets in the long run
for a lens system, not because a love either company or hate Sigma
(I have a Simga lens I like a lot). I think that if you lay all
the facts out and take the emotion, they make more sense today for
most people.
Thanks, Dimage,

I am truly affraid of being a beta sight for Sigma. I want to spend good money once. I am very attache dto my photo equipment and lose sleep when it does not operate the way I expect due to design flaws or my ignorance.

After a nightmare I had just recently going through a few Olympus E20n's I need to rest knowing I can get the shots I want each and every time for a while 'til the next best thing comes out.
--
Always aim for perfection!
 
Joe,

As a user, I think the SD9 is excellent for someone who is willing
to make the commitment that it takes when you move from
point-and-shoot to DSLR. It may not have all of the claimed range
of other cameras, but the images are outstanding.

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images

Best,

Laurence

Listen to the users
--Good advice from a user. Can I ask what equipment were you shooting before and what subjects do you shoot?

Joe
Always aim for perfection!
 
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk/sd9_day_1
1600 pictures taken so far. Will upload a lot more pictures very
soon. (All the bird pictures on Pbase is taken for my mom, and
almost all have ISO 400-1600, try to look beyond them!)

Happy hunting!
Greetings! I am brand new to this forum but not to photography. I
am currently between cameras and just recently became aware of the
SD9. I have read all of the specs put out by Sigma and have read up
on the X3 technology. You people are the true critics. Please help.
I'v tried others Olympus E20n not happy. Still shooting with
Olympus 3030. I know, Iknow , you can't be serious. But I have
taken some pretty good shots with this little point and shoot. I am
ready to move up to the big time in digital. Without spending a
fortune. Actually, looking at the Canon D60 as a potential buy.

Joe
--
Always aim for perfection!
--
Carl Rytterfalk
http://www.pbase.com/rytterfalk
Proud SD9 owner.
--Yet another happy customer, now all I need to do is get my hands on one to help make my decision.

Thanks Carl,

Joe

Thanks Carl
Always aim for perfection!
 
Joe,

In the digital sector, I had a Sony 505 and (still have) 707. I also still shot a lot of film with Leica M and R cameras with a variety of lens and a Canon. I also have a good collection of old Alpas, which were my first SLRs. For a long time, I used Canon exclusively with lenses between 24 and 600 until I happened use a Leica for a while.

Among the digitals, I have tried digital Nikons (5700 and DSLR), which I consider very good. I have not tried Canons but have seen pictures.

Laurence

Listen to the users
Joe,

As a user, I think the SD9 is excellent for someone who is willing
to make the commitment that it takes when you move from
point-and-shoot to DSLR. It may not have all of the claimed range
of other cameras, but the images are outstanding.

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/sd9_images

Best,

Laurence

Listen to the users
--Good advice from a user. Can I ask what equipment were you
shooting before and what subjects do you shoot?

Joe
Always aim for perfection!
 
But I do want
the best for my money, to me ultra sharpness is key. However, I do
not want to bend over backwards and re-learn everything I know.
If the SD9 is not the choice in this case, then the DSLR market may not be ready for you yet. If you look at Phil's reviews and consistantly points out sharpness is one of SD9's strongest points. Its too bad that the SD9 has other problems that brings down the overall quality, but you can be sure that lack of sharpness is not it.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
 
Unfortunately there are a lot of valid problems that have been
indentified with the SD9 as it currently stands.
People that identify these faults or point them out are called
"bashers" and trolls by people that don't seem to want to admit to
the problems or think people should shot around them.
And those same people have been pointed to the fact that other cameras including the D60/1Ds have and can display the same problems, but they just ignore those facts and keeps on coming to this forum and repeat their ill-hearted messages.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery
 
Joe -

Having recently taken the same leap you are considering (3030 to SD9), I doubt if you'll be disappointed - landscapes, portraits and macros are incredibly sharp.... the disappointments come from attempting sports shots (although still an improvement over the 3030!)

btw I have been using the 24-70 DG lens exclusively, and am still waiting for a flash to arrive.

As I haven't shot with any of the other DSLRs it is hard to dispute the "bashers" comments, but not having an investment in good quality lenses (my 35mm experience has been with a lovely old Ricoh) I dont feel I have wasted any money on the upgrade.... just my opinion.

Enjoy whatever you decide on.

Andy
What will be your shooting habits Joe. Sports, landscapes,
portraits, macro work or pretty general all around.
Mike
Mike,
--All of the above with the exception of sports. Landscapes are the
bulk of it, some macro for industry mags annd portriats once in a
while.

Always aim for perfection!
 
--Yet another happy customer, now all I need to do is get my hands
on one to help make my decision.
Hello Joe, I'm not going to pretend I know what camera would be best for you… But I can "tell you my story". I was very keen on the D60 this summer but did wait, I started to read about the SD9, the expectations were very high. I preordered it and did read a lot on the web, also the bad news, with blown out lights and stuff. The wait for SD9 was so long that I almost ordered Nikon D100 just a month ago or so... But now - when I finally got the SD9, and - truly it was with a bit mixed feeling because of all the bashing - but I ended up very happy with it.

If you decide, then I recommend you also take the flash (probably goes for whatever dslr you choose) I feel it is really important and I use it quite a lot. Its no problem doing pictures inside in low light "late evening" (moving people ore not, got some nice action shots off kids) with ISO 100 and pretty fast shutter on small enough aperture with the flash. Also the focus work well in low indoors light with the flash on, in normal day light focus is in my opinion very fast (24-70/2.8ex and 105ex is the lenses I have tried). But if "very low light" and a low contrast target the focus hunt a bit (so far I think the 24-70 do better than the 105).

I see you ask others for their photo history; Im pretty new at this, only done some shots in my work to document construction progress, errors etc. This is with C2100UZ, but digital photo was so fun that I started to use it quite a lot on a personal base (MC photo and normal family stuff)

You can find some of my SD9 samples here
http://home.no.net/kbomstad/sd9/

I see you're mainly interested in landscape, macro and portraits - then I honestly think the SD9 will make you smile.

For some SD9 landscape you shod see these shots from Alexander Toth
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=4068613

Ps: About blown out lights, I did read the following about Nikon D100 in a "learn to use digital" article.

"You can also turn the Exposure Compensation setting up 1/3 to 1 full f stop if you want to offset possible underexposure caused by these new camera's Matrix metering being perhaps a bit too aggressive in not allowing any blown highlights." (link: http://www.a-digital-eye.com/DSLRGuide.html )

--
Regards
KimB
Proud SD9 owner
 
I had the 3030Z, and I wish I had never sold it. Comparing the amount you spent for the 3030Z versus what you'll have to spend on the SD-9, I hope you know exactly what you hope to achieve. If you include the price of the SD-9 body, whatever lense(s) you hope to buy, a flash unit, and the rest of the goodies, you're going to be in a completely different arena. Just make sure that you know what you hope to achieve by making the move. The SD-9 has some fantastic capablities, but it's far from perfect as noted here in the forum. The 3030Z was a darned good little camera. Don't take it for granted that spending several thousand extra is going to be worth the extra money. There'll be more Foveon based cameras showing up later on. (maybe Canon......no more D60's....I wonder why)
Greetings! I am brand new to this forum but not to photography. I
am currently between cameras and just recently became aware of the
SD9. I have read all of the specs put out by Sigma and have read up
on the X3 technology. You people are the true critics. Please help.
I'v tried others Olympus E20n not happy. Still shooting with
Olympus 3030. I know, Iknow , you can't be serious. But I have
taken some pretty good shots with this little point and shoot. I am
ready to move up to the big time in digital. Without spending a
fortune. Actually, looking at the Canon D60 as a potential buy.

Joe
--
Always aim for perfection!
 

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