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oysso said:
Dan DeLion said:
Actually, Nikon's edge (glad to see you admit it) comes from superior design, superior firmware, higher standards and superior users. But rest easily, Canon still makes superior pocket cameras as well as great copiers, glass bottles, and dog food.
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superior users... ? what has the users to do with the quality of the gear?
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You don't need to make good gear for idiots.
But that's not a problem, as idiots don't realise that.
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Dan DeLion said:
Dan DeLion said:
Be happy you've got a great new tool, but no need to become what you detest. Pride in the d800 should be reserved for those who made it.
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Ah, payback is sweet.

What comes around goes around.

Don't get mad get even.

What you're seeing in this forum is the result of years of Canon fanboy's empty boasting.
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Now you're being silly, the boasting was full of... well, you know...
 
Le Kilt said:
Dan DeLion said:
Le Kilt said:
It's just Canon envy from a Nikon Fanboy, don't worry !
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Spoken like a true partisan. Canon has lost its' edge.
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Yes, I only use Canon cameras because I'm blind and so it doesn't make much difference to me.
Le Kilt said:
Actually, I'm not a Nikon fanboy. I've bought two Canon cameras in the last six weeks. Both are for non-pro, light weight travel. But, both are superior products. Yes, my wife and I are owners' of a purple ELPH 310HS and to match my wife's eyes, a green ELPH 310HS. Both, fine cameras.
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Sounds very pretty.
;-)
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Finally one that begin to see the irony in this discussion :D
 
jglaser757 said:
For the last three years Canon was the superior camera body,
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Only if you needed more than 12mp and video because you could make the same argument for the D700 with 51pt AF, 8fps, color metering, less lag, 9 shot bracketing, auto ISO, better weather sealing, etc.

If anyone thinks those things aren't important then they wouldn't be upgrading to the mk3 from a mk2.

So it's horses for courses. What is 'superior' depends on your requirements.
 
Dan DeLion said:
Dan DeLion said:
LOL -- so your solution will be years of Nikon fanboy empty boasting.
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David - Nope, just want to hear from all you Canon trolls that Canon is just one good brand out of several good brands. That there is nothing special about Canon. Can you say that?
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I agree: "Canon is just one good brand out of several good brands, there is nothing special about Canon." I have no problem saying that, in fact I actually believe it -- they really are just cameras after all.

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Dan DeLion said:
Actually, Nikon's edge (glad to see you admit it) comes from superior design, superior firmware, higher standards and superior users. But rest easily, Canon still makes superior pocket cameras as well as great copiers, glass bottles, and dog food.
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I suppose we will start to see some "superior" images soon then? I expect these to be so "superior" that they can easily stand out and be identified 100% in a properly conducted double blind test. After all, superior users, shooting with superior HW, loaded with superior FW, should be able to produce magnificent images, with all the technical and artistic excellence that one has a right to expect from highly competent photographers, so equipped. Perhaps we could start by seeing a link to yours?
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David Hull said:
I suppose we will start to see some "superior" images soon then? I expect these to be so "superior" that they can easily stand out and be identified 100% in a properly conducted double blind test. After all, superior users, shooting with superior HW, loaded with superior FW, should be able to produce magnificent images, with all the technical and artistic excellence that one has a right to expect from highly competent photographers, so equipped. Perhaps we could start by seeing a link to yours?
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Well said. I'd love to see fanboys in a gallery full of prints trying to guess which one was shot with a Canon or a Nikon.
 
David Hull said:
Dan DeLion said:
Actually, Nikon's edge (glad to see you admit it) comes from superior design, superior firmware, higher standards and superior users. But rest easily, Canon still makes superior pocket cameras as well as great copiers, glass bottles, and dog food.
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I suppose we will start to see some "superior" images soon then? I expect these to be so "superior" that they can easily stand out and be identified 100% in a properly conducted double blind test.
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I'm blind, I'll gladly do the testing ! :-)
David Hull said:
After all, superior users, shooting with superior HW, loaded with superior FW, should be able to produce magnificent images, with all the technical and artistic excellence that one has a right to expect from highly competent photographers, so equipped. Perhaps we could start by seeing a link to yours?
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I think for both systems to be complete Nikon needs a D700 version of the D4 and Canon needs their version of the D800e. I'm pretty sure Canon will follow through, but unlikely Nikon will create a small body version of the D4. What people need and what sells are not always the same thing. It will be interesting to see how the 800e does at fine art capture. If it doesn't pan out I'll be looking at a better light back instead.

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joger said:
I am a 5D II user since the early days - the 5D II made me switch from the Nikon system to the Canon one simply because of it's superiority in perceived printed image quality.

I am enjoying my 5D II very much - especial with the unrivaled TS-E 17 lens.

BUT I have to say that I would buy the D800E in a heartbeat if my TS-E 17 would fit on a Nikon body.

I can not understand the 'ignorants' that praise the (paper values wise) relatively mediocre 5D III.

I am no fan boy of either brand - I am a fan of excellent good FineArt prints and the D800E looks like THE CAMERA for that - I hope Canon can make an attractive counter proposal within the next months ;-)

I am also curious how the 1Dx and the 5D III will perform in the DXO review - I have no doubts that they are quite right - comparing the 5D II with the D700 shows clearly that the 5D II had a huge advantage over the D700 - now it looks like the D800 wins hands down

Please be fair and not foolish - Canon has been the brand to buy because of the very affordable yet good 5D II - now Nikon has the top notch camera - that's life :-/

I would buy the D800 in a heartbeat if I could afford two systems but the investment is too big compare to the probably minor time frame where Nikon leads the quality race.
Bernard Carns said:
At least for a while.

5d3 is as good as a D800.

Hmm. Seems like you really don't believe that statement if you have to make it a thousand times.

Then there's the real stretch, the 5d3 is better than the D800!

Y'all sound like the guys in the m4/3 forum who think m4/3 cameras have as good of IQ as a 5d2.

So funny!

BC
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isn’t it funny, a ship that leaks from the top

ISO 9000 definition of quality: 'Degree to which a set of inherent characteristic fulfills requirements'
I am the classic “Windows by Day, Mac by Night user'

“The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view.” Albert Einstein
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The problem with the 5D III is not its quality. But the pricing of it. It is way overpriced. And I hope Canon find that out soon.
 
dominikov said:
David Hull said:
I suppose we will start to see some "superior" images soon then? I expect these to be so "superior" that they can easily stand out and be identified 100% in a properly conducted double blind test. After all, superior users, shooting with superior HW, loaded with superior FW, should be able to produce magnificent images, with all the technical and artistic excellence that one has a right to expect from highly competent photographers, so equipped. Perhaps we could start by seeing a link to yours?
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Well said. I'd love to see fanboys in a gallery full of prints trying to guess which one was shot with a Canon or a Nikon.
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Someone already tried that here and the results were roughly 50/50

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Shaun Bell said:
I think for both systems to be complete Nikon needs a D700 version of the D4 and Canon needs their version of the D800e. I'm pretty sure Canon will follow through, but unlikely Nikon will create a small body version of the D4. What people need and what sells are not always the same thing. It will be interesting to see how the 800e does at fine art capture. If it doesn't pan out I'll be looking at a better light back instead.

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Interesting - I hope it has 7D pixel pitch @ 45MP or Sony nex7/a77 pixel pitch @ 54 MP or scaling up their 120 MP APSH sensor to aprox 150 MP !!!
 
joger said:
I am a 5D II user since the early days - the 5D II made me switch from the Nikon system to the Canon one simply because of it's superiority in perceived printed image quality.

I am enjoying my 5D II very much - especial with the unrivaled TS-E 17 lens.

BUT I have to say that I would buy the D800E in a heartbeat if my TS-E 17 would fit on a Nikon body.

I can not understand the 'ignorants' that praise the (paper values wise) relatively mediocre 5D III.

I am no fan boy of either brand - I am a fan of excellent good FineArt prints and the D800E looks like THE CAMERA for that - I hope Canon can make an attractive counter proposal within the next months ;-)

I am also curious how the 1Dx and the 5D III will perform in the DXO review - I have no doubts that they are quite right - comparing the 5D II with the D700 shows clearly that the 5D II had a huge advantage over the D700 - now it looks like the D800 wins hands down

Please be fair and not foolish - Canon has been the brand to buy because of the very affordable yet good 5D II - now Nikon has the top notch camera - that's life :-/

I would buy the D800 in a heartbeat if I could afford two systems but the investment is too big compare to the probably minor time frame where Nikon leads the quality race.
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ME TOO !!! Canon had better act quickly with a high megapixel camera - or my Nikon D800e pre-order might finally ship one of these years.
 
oysso said:
The problem with the 5D III is not its quality. But the pricing of it. It is way overpriced. And I hope Canon find that out soon.
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What would due an appropriate price of the 5D II 2.0 (aka 5D III)??

Nikon is rumored to raise pricing and would tend to believe that a D800E would have 30 % more value then the 5D III - so with the given price of the D800E the 5D III would be in the range of the former start price of the 5D II - correct?

But I would not buy the 5D III for the 5D II price either.

I even your not buy it for 50 % of the 5D II price - why? Frankly speaking it is not more camera then the 5D II was. All Canon added does not matter for my style of photography - so the value of my 5D II is not lower at no additional cost :-)

Like the Master Card commercial - TS-E 17 2,400 EUR, A trip to the NewYork 800 EUR - bringing good pictures home priceless :-)

From tripod and MLU plus good exposure and manual focussing at ISO 100 the 5D III will not bring any additional value - sad days for Canon lens users - we own the best lenses in the market and we have currently no option to utilize them even better.

Good lenses get better as the sensor improves!!

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isn’t it funny, a ship that leaks from the top

ISO 9000 definition of quality: 'Degree to which a set of inherent characteristic fulfills requirements'
I am the classic “Windows by Day, Mac by Night user'

“The horizon of many people is a circle with zero radius which they call their point of view.” Albert Einstein
 
Shaun Bell said:
I think for both systems to be complete Nikon needs a D700 version of the D4 and Canon needs their version of the D800e.
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A 5D variant with no AA filter would certainly be nice, but I would love to see Canon do a repeat of the D20a, only in a full-frame body like the 5DIII. This means, no UV or hot mirror in front of the sensor for broad spectrum sensitivity. This would be great for IR landscape photography and astrophotography, as well as covert wildlife photography.
Shaun Bell said:
I'm pretty sure Canon will follow through, but unlikely Nikon will create a small body version of the D4. What people need and what sells are not always the same thing. It will be interesting to see how the 800e does at fine art capture. If it doesn't pan out I'll be looking at a better light back instead.

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There's a few companies that will pull the hot mirror off for you, a great way to give your 5DMII a new life. As for UV, I'm pretty sure that's not going to work. If I remember correctly, cmos is pretty much blind to UV. Could be why you see a lot of old Nikon CCD's on CSI lol. I'm been thinking about getting a dedicated, cooled camera for my 10" RCX Meade. The prices have come way down and the performance is getting pretty stellar.
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CMOS photosites are not blind though. The problem is a coating that is applied directly to the sensor prior to the microlens array going on. A different, UV-transmissive coating could be used instead for a broad/wide spectrum camera. There are conversion services for the 7D (and 5DII) as you mentioned, as well as kits for do-it-yourself conversions.

I've been thinking of picking up a D20 and pulling the filters off, but it's such a low resolution for astrophotography.
Shaun Bell said:
I'm been thinking about getting a dedicated, cooled camera for my 10" RCX Meade. The prices have come way down and the performance is getting pretty stellar.
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Pun intended on that? XFD

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Shaun Bell said:
For those that think 36mp is too much, prepare to eat crow.
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Same for the high DR is no use in the real world crowd. I'm not sure when Canon will be able catch up on this one though.
 
I didn't realize the uv coating was applied directly to the sensor, learn something new everyday. And yes about the pun : )
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