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Beth said:
There's a camera for sale at eBay for a price that's "too good to
be true." The person selling this camera is a business person
travelling in Spain (with broken English). She needs to ship the
camera from Spain and here's how it can be done to protect seller
and buyer, "THE WAY TO PAY : I do bussines only by Money Gram or
Western
Union
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Hey Beth,

That lasts sentence was your sigh to run. Watch for key words that send up red flags "only by money gram". I have been using e-bay for over a year now and you would not believe the scams that are out there in the world.
I have had scams use my photos to sell the same item they don't have.
The only way we can make scams go away is to ignore them.

E-bay won't do a thing unless the feds get involved, or key words that will invalidate an auction site. I have seen people with 50% negative feedback and they are still trying to sell.

I have had some run a bid on an item if mine very high, then 25 hrs before the end,they remove the bid, their reason " mommie said to stop playing on the computer and go to bed"
Member said:
wire transfer I can't accept other methods of payment for the moment
because
I am in Europe in a bussines trip (from here I have this products at
this
incredibiles low prices) and I am forced to accept only wire
transfer.I would
like to use COD or escrow but because I am in a forign country I need
cash
money to reinvest it in other products. ,so look how we can do this,
the
fastest and 100%
secure method for both of us."

How does she get around this one in order to steal the money?
Should I report her to eBay or is there some way this could be on
the level?

Beth
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E-bay is to big to track 1% of the scams
Last word, Buy from people with positive feedback, keep a record of repeat
buyers and sellers, and try buy first from the country you live in.
Good luck on E-bay....
Member said:
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Hello Beth -

We've been Very careful using Ebay, and quite often, and with excellent results - except once. Last year we bought a very nice laptop at a reasonable price for a friend of ours who travels frequently. The Seller had steller ratings, we safely used PayPal, laptop arrived Houston in excellent condition, friend is ecstaticly happy. We even registered the remaining warranty with IBM.

All was well until to our surprise the San Diego police department recently informed us we were one of well-over twenty buyers that had unknowingly purchased stolen laptops from this seller. The seller was Ebay-ing laptops from the biotech firm he worked for in the San Diego area! They were able to retrieve the seller's shipping records for all his sales. This seller has been arrested and is being prosecuted, the computer is being returned to San Diego via the local law enforcement authorities for the trial, but so far we're still out the money.
My point is occasionally there is just no way to be certain.
-Charles
Fred Oliver said:
Beth said:
There's a camera for sale at eBay for a price that's "too good to
be true." The person selling this camera is a business person
travelling in Spain (with broken English). She needs to ship the
camera from Spain and here's how it can be done to protect seller
and buyer, "THE WAY TO PAY : I do bussines only by Money Gram or
Western
Union
Click to expand...
Hey Beth,
That lasts sentence was your sigh to run. Watch for key words that
send up red flags "only by money gram". I have been using e-bay for
over a year now and you would not believe the scams that are out
there in the world.
I have had scams use my photos to sell the same item they don't have.
The only way we can make scams go away is to ignore them.
E-bay won't do a thing unless the feds get involved, or key words
that will invalidate an auction site. I have seen people with 50%
negative feedback and they are still trying to sell.
I have had some run a bid on an item if mine very high, then 25 hrs
before the end,they remove the bid, their reason " mommie said to
stop playing on the computer and go to bed"
Fred Oliver said:
wire transfer I can't accept other methods of payment for the moment
because
I am in Europe in a bussines trip (from here I have this products at
this
incredibiles low prices) and I am forced to accept only wire
transfer.I would
like to use COD or escrow but because I am in a forign country I need
cash
money to reinvest it in other products. ,so look how we can do this,
the
fastest and 100%
secure method for both of us."

How does she get around this one in order to steal the money?
Should I report her to eBay or is there some way this could be on
the level?

Beth
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E-bay is to big to track 1% of the scams
Last word, Buy from people with positive feedback, keep a record of
repeat
buyers and sellers, and try buy first from the country you live in.
Good luck on E-bay....
Fred Oliver said:
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Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
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It wouldnt happend to be a d100?

well anyway, scammers usually have a "scammer identity" eg. opened bank account and post-box with a fake-identity. I once had (pretty much at the same time as the g2 came out) someone trying to sell me a g2 for 250$(or was it 350$) over the net ;) and he had of course a good story, but the price was just TOO good to be true...

thats the sad thing about life, if something is too good to be true it usually is not true.
 
Hi Beth,

I have been selling on eBay for over 3 years now and this is how I make my living. I must say that Yes there will always be those individuals who will try and scam the public. If you look for the red flags such as those already mentioned, you will be generally safe. The overall percentage of Bad Sellers and Scam Artists is Very Low on eBay. For the millions of sales the percentage is something like 2% for bad sales. I think it still is one of the Best avenues to purchase and sell items.

You know the old saying, "If is walks like a duck and quacks like a duck" them maybe it is a ----------!

Take care,
Joe D
 
Hey, Beth, I sure hope you took everyone else's advice by not buying from this lady. I usually hang out on the Sony Forum, but saw this thread from the dpreview's homepage that lists most active links. I've bought and sold a lot on ebay as well, and I have been scammed a couple of times, most notably a bootlegged version of the Godfather. Anyway, I would definitely report this lady to ebay. It doesn't cost anything to set up a PayPal account and to accept credit card payments or electronic check payments. I would imagine that you balked at this offer, but there are people who will get taken advantage of out there, and that's why you need to report her. Good luck with everything.

-Jon
Joe D said:
Hi Beth,

I have been selling on eBay for over 3 years now and this is how I
make my living. I must say that Yes there will always be those
individuals who will try and scam the public. If you look for the
red flags such as those already mentioned, you will be generally
safe. The overall percentage of Bad Sellers and Scam Artists is
Very Low on eBay. For the millions of sales the percentage is
something like 2% for bad sales. I think it still is one of the
Best avenues to purchase and sell items.

You know the old saying, "If is walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck" them maybe it is a ----------!

Take care,
Joe D
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Jon Welker
 
Beth wrote:

What did I do? I tried to report this person on eBay, but had problems finding the correct place to do so. I didn't feel too badly about it because within an hour or two, the items were removed...no longer available.

No, I did NOT try to purchase this very expensive piece of nothing. I found another listing on a used camera board today for a D1X for $1450.00...new! Another example, I think! I wrote the seller, but he has not answered my skepticism.

Beth
Jon Welker said:
-Jon
Joe D said:
Hi Beth,

I have been selling on eBay for over 3 years now and this is how I
make my living. I must say that Yes there will always be those
individuals who will try and scam the public. If you look for the
red flags such as those already mentioned, you will be generally
safe. The overall percentage of Bad Sellers and Scam Artists is
Very Low on eBay. For the millions of sales the percentage is
something like 2% for bad sales. I think it still is one of the
Best avenues to purchase and sell items.

You know the old saying, "If is walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck" them maybe it is a ----------!

Take care,
Joe D
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Jon Welker
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Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
From "Still Tilting at Windmills" to "scambuster"! Cool!
I'm glad you're still posting and mostly having fun with your camera.

So it seems you are thinking the DSLR route too. My E-20 and 707 have been serving me well, but each have walls I run into far too often. I'm committing to a system soon..........

Keep up the scam busting. Too many predators in the world doing this sort of stuff.
Thanks for the post.
Best,
Robert
 
Jace Mouse said:
I do business with this person before and it turn out great. You
have my word. I received a brand new e15 with internaltional
warranty. It is better for you to know that all expected parts
were encluded. She is honest and even enclude remote shutter cable
that some seller try to claim is expensive accessory. Very nice
lady with two small children.

Camera arrived two days from Spain while I visited family in Boise
Idaho, USA. This is a thing about you shouldn't worry about.

Western Union very safe. Very trusted American company. Not like
some companies where cousin can own store. Any problems, you can
trust Western Union for full refund. No risks involved for both of
us.

When I get back from business trip in Spain, I will show pictures
from camera so that you will not fear that I deceive you. Cannot
show pictures right now, because I have not Internet connection.

Now that I have my new e15, I would like to sell my Cannon 1DS.
Beacuse it seems that you on dpreview are honest, I will sell for
$2300. I have had for six months, but was in hospital and have
only take ten pictures. Comes with full warranty, no risks
involved for both of us. Email me if you agree, and we will have
deal.
Beth said:
There's a camera for sale at eBay for a price that's "too good to
be true." The person selling this camera is a business person
travelling in Spain (with broken English). She needs to ship the
camera from Spain and here's how it can be done to protect seller
and buyer, "THE WAY TO PAY : I do bussines only by Money Gram or
Western
Union
wire transfer I can't accept other methods of payment for the moment
because
I am in Europe in a bussines trip (from here I have this products at
this
incredibiles low prices) and I am forced to accept only wire
transfer.I would
like to use COD or escrow but because I am in a forign country I need
cash
money to reinvest it in other products. ,so look how we can do this,
the
fastest and 100%
secure method for both of us."

How does she get around this one in order to steal the money?
Should I report her to eBay or is there some way this could be on
the level?

Beth

--
Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
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http://www.jacemouse.com
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'scuse me for buttin' in...
Robert P Miller said:
So it seems you are thinking the DSLR route too.
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Say this real slow-l-y, Robert, "The Exx really IS a DSLR".

There, now don't you feel much better that you've told the truth? :)

Just playing around. Don't take me seriously, no one else does!

--
Cheers,
markE
  • Oly E-20, LiPo, TCON300, TCON-14B, WCON, FL-40, Wacom Graphire II tablet, Epson PS 820
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke

 
Beth said:
Here the answer I get when I suggest escrow...

"I am sorry but I can't accept other methods of payment
I see that you are a man of hounor but I am too.Look
how is the real situation the products are so cheap
because its comes directly from the charity fundation where I
have a conection .The man which provide me the units
needs some insurances for give me the units,I don't
have enough money to buy one and then to sell it on
net so after I make an agreenment with someone I take
my man and show him that the person which I make the
deal realy has that money and the money are already in
Spain and so he trust me for giving the product.Also
if the money are on the name of your wife how can I
retry the money?Maybe if I speak with someone and make
a fake ID but I am married and also have childrens I
can't risk to spent 6 to 8 years in jail for such
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Notice how the english becomes more broken when this scammer feels that your a little bit unsure about the deal.
Member said:
amount of money.Would you?The police in now days is
every where and they will catch me in a few days.Also
you have all my details.So if you can trust me you
will not lose not a cent and maybe in future we will
develope our bussines after this first transaction
when you will see that I am also honest like you,but
pls try to understand the situation.So if you agree to
proceed with the transfer I will be happy to send you
in the morning the product you order.Pls email me your
decision"
Theodore said:
Seems escrow.ca has closed up shop.

They WERE legit. :)
--
Theo

Don't anthropomorphize cameras. They don't like it.
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Hi Mark, Ja, I shoulda said "interchangeable lens" DSLR.....

Ya know, I always say that to others too. I guess I'm gettin old when My own war cry doesn't wake me up!
Thanks for the chastising! All in good fun.

I like the Oly Slr forum. Been posting and lurking since it was created (and before when there was only one Oly forum). The Fuji forum has a decent pile 'o' folks in it too. But I don't shoot Fuji....

It looks by your equipment list like you have taken your "E" camera to its limits. I had to get the Lipo for mine as I dearly love to review and review again! The only other thing I got for it was all the paraphernalia to hook it up to my Metz (left over from the Contax film days). Man, the camera rocks with a bounce flash!

I hope Oly doesn't abandon the sealed lens EXX series as it is so much in the direction I see as the perfect DSLR. Oly opened this niche, and it is likely to abandon it. Not all of us want to change lenses and introduce more dust!

Nice doggy pics with captions on your site. Lots of greyhounds at the dog show too. My friend used to find homes for some of the former dog race greyhounds. I'm just ramblin'.. . It's late..... Take care
Best,
Robert
 
Robert P Miller said:
Hi Mark, Ja, I shoulda said "interchangeable lens" DSLR.....
Ya know, I always say that to others too. I guess I'm gettin old
when My own war cry doesn't wake me up!
Thanks for the chastising! All in good fun.
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Couldn't resist. :)
Member said:
I like the Oly Slr forum. Been posting and lurking since it was
created (and before when there was only one Oly forum). The Fuji
forum has a decent pile 'o' folks in it too. But I don't shoot
Fuji....
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So you just go there for the fun, huh? Well, I think if I wouldn't spend so much time here, I could probably run my LiPo down someday!
Member said:
It looks by your equipment list like you have taken your "E" camera
to its limits.
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Yeah, I knew I wasn't going to invest in another system for a long time. I can't see it when the possiblities are going in so many directions at once (full-frame, 4/3, new Nikon lenses, etc.). I need to wait until the smoke clears for awhile.
Member said:
I had to get the Lipo for mine as I dearly love to
review and review again! The only other thing I got for it was all
the paraphernalia to hook it up to my Metz (left over from the
Contax film days). Man, the camera rocks with a bounce flash!
I hope Oly doesn't abandon the sealed lens EXX series as it is so
much in the direction I see as the perfect DSLR. Oly opened this
niche, and it is likely to abandon it. Not all of us want to change
lenses and introduce more dust!
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Yep, that's really got me bothered too. The dust problem is enough to make me want to got back to film.
Member said:
Nice doggy pics with captions on your site. Lots of greyhounds at
the dog show too. My friend used to find homes for some of the
former dog race greyhounds.
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Thanks for your kind words. Zoomer (aka: Captain Z) and I used to do our share of volunteering for the local Greyhound adoption program. I was lucky though, I got him at 9 weeks old. Track bred, home raised. They are more "open" when they haven't lived the track life.

Take care,

--
Cheers,
markE
  • Oly E-20, LiPo, TCON300, TCON-14B, WCON, FL-40, Wacom Graphire II tablet, Epson PS 820
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke

 
Hi robert,

Oh od, it seems I will never live that one down. Interestingly, a few months later our esteemed president agreed with me and said that our dependence on oil was a problem! Hmmmm.... sometimes time is the vindicator!

Glad that some things I do please people who were really angered by my "Tilting at Windmills" thread!

Beth
Robert P Miller said:
From "Still Tilting at Windmills" to "scambuster"! Cool!
I'm glad you're still posting and mostly having fun with your camera.
So it seems you are thinking the DSLR route too. My E-20 and 707
have been serving me well, but each have walls I run into far too
often. I'm committing to a system soon..........
Keep up the scam busting. Too many predators in the world doing
this sort of stuff.
Thanks for the post.
Best,
Robert
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Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
Beth wrote;

Here's another one for you.

http://www.adpost.com/us/?cat=used_cameras&db=us_cameras_optics&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=headlines&category=Digital+/+Camcorders&query=category

This one is for a D1x--could it REALLY be available for that price? I wrote the guy and he hasn't written back. I figure he knows I have his number!

Beth
markE said:
Maxven said:
Jace Mouse said:
Western Union very safe. Very trusted American company. Not like
some companies where cousin can own store.
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I've never trusted those darn cousins either.
All a bunch of crooks.

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Cheers,
markE
  • Oly E-20, LiPo, TCON300, TCON-14B, WCON, FL-40, Wacom Graphire II
tablet, Epson PS 820
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke

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Olympus E-10, TCON, MCON, WCON and Fl-40
Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids
 
Just to confirm...

This was, in fact, my attempt at humor. Sorry that it was somewhat lost on you. I'm a computer geek -- this was as good as it gets.

I was one of the first ones on the forum to receive my e-10, back in 2001.

To compensate for the humor-deficit, feel free to make fun of my last name. Yes, I do in fact have an uncle named Mickey. He's a 56 year-old firemen in Oklahoma City. Yes, he's every bit as emotionally and psychologically traumatized as you would imagine.

See you around the forum, guys.
Zephalephelah said:
Jace Mouse said:
I received a brand new e15 with internaltional
warranty.
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I want one!!! :)
Zephalephelah said:
Western Union very safe. Very trusted American company. Not like
some companies where cousin can own store. Any problems, you can
trust Western Union for full refund. No risks involved for both of
us.
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Just type "Western union" scam ebay into any search engine. It
brings up a lot of results, most of which are big ticket items.

It seems that western union doesn't do a great job of verifying the
identity of the client receiving the funds. I bet if I wired you $5
to your hometown and named the recipient as George Jungle, you
could probably pick it up. It's like a password. What's the
password? George Jungle. That's right, here's your $5.

What I don't understand is either Jace Mouse is being sarcastic and
the humor eludes me or Jace and this person actually had a
transaction. I suppose a picture of the E-15 wouldn't convince me
this was on the level... :)

--
If a picture paints a 1,000 words, how come mine only make 3?
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http://www.jacemouse.com
 
I Loved the Tilting At Windmill thread! I Was saddened by all the folks who took isssue with it. I think we all learned some things from the posts. Alternative energy sources must be in our future and some countries use more of such now than the US. All come with inevitable compromises though.

No , I was never angered by your thread, only some of the responders savage quips. Hopefully things don't get as heated again by such a fine spirited opening statement as you made!

Anyway, these forums have there own lives with emotional peaks and valleys. All we can do sometimes is give them life and standby.

As an aside, at least in Maine you get real snow. We are near the Casinos in CT with only snow dust. We need some snow for our pictures. I was able to get one though:



Better late than not at all!
Peace,
Robert Miller and family
 
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