A $3000 system?

desmond2046 · Mar 23, 2012

Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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Aleo Veuliah · Mar 23, 2012

desmond2046 said:
Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/desmond2046/

I advice you to get more information about Micro Four Thirds, and then begin to make your choices, with that money you can buy a pretty good m 4/3 system

Spent some time on the forum for a few days and read the threads with other important questions to you, in a few days you will have much better information

About the IQ and DR, it is pretty good for most of the situations, take a look at good samples, read reviews from good sites like Dpreview or Imaging Resource, for lenses you have some, I like the SLRgear.com

I say this because there are so many camera and lenses options and from two brands, that can be confusing at the firsts sight

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GingerBread · Mar 23, 2012

It really depends on the ranges you'd like to cover. Personally, I think M43 is very attractive due to the lens selection. But the higher end M43 cameras are pretty close to the NEX 7 in price and more expensive than the 5N, both of which have excellent sensors. The NEX system, however, has a more limited lens selection and you will pay more for those lenses, which are going to be much larger than their M43 counterparts. This analysis doesn't apply if you were a manual focus fan using legacy lenses, but you're not one of those folks, at least not yet. Ultimately, if you want to cover a fairly broad range with AF on your budget, I think M43 would be your best bet in mirrorless.
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Pasmia · Mar 23, 2012

desmond2046 said:
Hi, everyone.

hi

desmond2046 said:
I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Simple setup... for three years? good job! I find it hard going 3 months without purchasing at least a new filter

desmond2046 said:
Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

That NEX 7 plus the one native Zeiss lens available would gobble up almost all of your budget

desmond2046 said:
I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

Quite frankly, if you're not doing large prints or pixel peeping till your eyes bleed, you won't see much of a difference if any at all. The only drawback is that you lose DOF control in comparison to FF cameras, especially at wider FLs. I like having subject/background isolation and I find that the 25/1.4 and 45/1.8 are more than adequate. I don't really need shallow DoF for wides anyways seeing as how I use wides for landscape/cityscape. The deeper DoF on M43 also allows for shots using bigger apertures to allow more light in where you would normally have to step down on a FF. The 25/1.4 is able to be used wide open and create for quite sharp images, the same goes for the 45/1.8. For DR, if you're really got some concern, 1. Per tests, reviews, spec, the E-M5 is the best in M43 2. Use LR4 and PS.

M43 has a smaller sensor, true. But don't be fooled, it's still much much larger than P&S. You're coming from APS sized sensor which is already cropped/smaller than a 35mm/FF. It's not going to be much more of a difference. Think of it this way, you're APS crop factor is x1.6, whereas M43 is x2.0, not too far off. The M43 crop factor is also much easier to figure out film/FF lens equivalent FLs, just saying, lol.... ie: 25mm on M43 is equal to 50mm on a film/FF camera.

desmond2046 said:
I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

You already got it, E-M5 with the Oly12/2, Panny-Leica 25/1.4, and Oly 45/1.8. The rest of the money can go into a decent flash/strobe setup or other accessories.

desmond2046 said:
Thanks,

Desmond
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Yin Yang · Mar 23, 2012

1) what do you like to shoot (portraits? action? concert? etc...)

2) when do you shoot and in which conditions? Do you like lugging around your camera with you everytime you go out? Or do you take it for special occasions? Going on hike with 1kg of camera gear is not a piece of cake (but doable).
3) what kind of lenses do you need (related to the 1) ).
4) View finder or not? Electronic viewfinder is ok?

and maybe the most important 5) do you have a crush on one specific camera? Does it fit well in your hand? A camera you don't like will never be better than one you do like. Most of the time because you won't use it so often.
I think that if you answer those questions, you'll know what to do.

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desmond2046 · Mar 24, 2012

Thanks a lot for all suggestion above.

Yin Yang said:
1) what do you like to shoot (portraits? action? concert? etc...)

Landscape, daily life.

Yin Yang said:
2) when do you shoot and in which conditions? Do you like lugging around your camera with you everytime you go out? Or do you take it for special occasions? Going on hike with 1kg of camera gear is not a piece of cake (but doable).

I shoot while traveling. I'd like to take my camera with me most of the time. I can certainly hike with 1kg camera gear but prefer a light weight option.

Yin Yang said:
3) what kind of lenses do you need (related to the 1) ).

I definitely need a wide prime like 12,2. I would also like to extend it to telephoto.

Yin Yang said:
4) View finder or not? Electronic viewfinder is ok?

I need a view finder. EVF is good.

Yin Yang said:
and maybe the most important 5) do you have a crush on one specific camera? Does it fit well in your hand? A camera you don't like will never be better than one you do like. Most of the time because you won't use it so often.

I like the design of EM-5. (hate the design of nex-5n, nex-7 is ok.) However, I never tried out EM-5.

Yin Yang said:
I think that if you answer those questions, you'll know what to do.

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DP13Photo · Mar 24, 2012

desmond2046 said:
Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Still have my 500D and lenses too, which now I use mainly for telephoto.

desmond2046 said:
I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

I would decide on the lenses you want first, which in my case is mostly primes. You might want to look at the majority of your images from the past three years to see what your natural preferences are.

Here's what I would do with three grand:

Olympus 12mm...................... $750
Panasonic 25mm...................... $530
Olympus 45mm...................... $400
Panasonic 14-45mm................. $270
Olympus E-P3 with 17mm..........$850
Olympus VF-2 ........................... $220

desmond2046 said:
Thanks,

Desmond
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tommiejeep · Mar 24, 2012

+1

I will be keeping a DSLR system but really want a smaller companion system and have looked at the NEX (shortage of lenses) , XPro1 (quirky fo me and lack of support in India), Nikon N1(doesn't inspire me even with the FT-1). That said my 'cart' on Amazon UK for an E-M5, 25 1.4. 9-18, 45 1.8 and 'bits and pcs' is already at more than the cost of the D800(for which I have lots of Glass). That includes the free grip for the E-M5! The price of going small

I am convinced that m43 gives me more IQ than I am capable of using

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I am really having to re-think the E-M5 vs G3 vs EP3 vs GH2 and I have spent a considerable time here and other sites.
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Edit: Just read your reply above. If you are not shooting Sports, fast wildlife I think you can do it all with m43

NZ Scott · Mar 24, 2012

Hello,

I've already invested in an almost-full m43 system, comprising the following (all costs given in US dollar equivalents):

E-P3 + 14-42 IIR + Velbon CX888 tripod + soft case = $950
M. Zuiko 40-150 ED = $200
M. Zuiko 12/2.0 = $600
M. Zuiko 45/1.8 = $350
Marumi DHG Achromat (macro filter) = $60

That comes to $2110. However, I've also spent heaps on accessories (about $350 on filters, $120 on a drybox, a fair bit more on a cable release, grey card, Gorillapod, etc).

If I was starting again from scratch I would probably buy the same stuff, but it's possible that I would go for the new M5 body with 12-50 lens over the E-P3 with 14-42. That would add at least $300.

I should mention that my system isn't complete yet, as I'd like to add a quick prime in the 35-50 range. I'm not convinced by the current options, and am hoping that Oly will bring out a 35/1.4.

Unfortunately, there are not many top-notch zooms for the m43 system yet, which is why I've invested in the best primes I can afford, but have not done that with the zooms. With the zooms, I've tended to go for value over performance (I know that at some point in the future I will upgrade the zooms).

I like everything in my kit, but I think that the two best lenses in terms of value are the M. Zuiko 45/1.8 and the M. Zuiko 40-150 ED. The best in terms of performance are the 45/1.8 and the 12/2.0, but the second one is pricey for what you get.

It's true that images from the m43 system do not match the latest SLRs, but the difference is very slight. A modern m43 camera with a prime is fully equal to an APS-C camera with an equivalent prime from 3-4 years ago and a full-frame camera from 7 years ago.

I used to shoot Nikon and now shoot m43. Frankly, I wouldn't go back. The savings in weight and size more than compensate for the slight difference in image quality.

desmond2046 said:
Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/desmond2046/

Jogger · Mar 24, 2012

desmond2046 said:
Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

Not sure where youre getting your numbers. DSLR lenses are considerably cheaper than m43.

Nikon 30/1.8 is less than $200, 50/1.8G is less than $200, 50/1.4 is about $400, 85/1.8G is $500. There are no m43 equivalents for the 50/1.4 or the 85/1.8,1.4. Wide angle zooms, there the tokina 11-16/2.8 for less than half the price of the 7-14/4.

There are many reasons to go m43, but cheap lenses is not one of them. Want a lens hood for that 12/2? That'll be $100 (it doesnt come with one).

desmond2046 said:
I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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Acrill · Mar 24, 2012

If you're into video then you should seriously consider the Panasonic GH2 as one of your bodies.

DP13Photo · Mar 24, 2012

I agree with Desmond on this one and it is one of the reasons I bought into µ4/3.

Jogger said:
desmond2046 said:

Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

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Not sure where youre getting your numbers. DSLR lenses are considerably cheaper than m43.

Nikon 30/1.8 is less than $200, 50/1.8G is less than $200, 50/1.4 is about $400, 85/1.8G is $500. There are no m43 equivalents for the 50/1.4 or the 85/1.8,1.4. Wide angle zooms, there the tokina 11-16/2.8 for less than half the price of the 7-14/4.

There are many reasons to go m43, but cheap lenses is not one of them. Want a lens hood for that 12/2? That'll be $100 (it doesnt come with one).

Jogger said:

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/desmond2046/

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NZ Scott · Mar 24, 2012

Jogger said:
desmond2046 said:

Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

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Not sure where youre getting your numbers. DSLR lenses are considerably cheaper than m43.

Nikon 30/1.8 is less than $200, 50/1.8G is less than $200, 50/1.4 is about $400, 85/1.8G is $500. There are no m43 equivalents for the 50/1.4 or the 85/1.8,1.4. Wide angle zooms, there the tokina 11-16/2.8 for less than half the price of the 7-14/4.

There are many reasons to go m43, but cheap lenses is not one of them. Want a lens hood for that 12/2? That'll be $100 (it doesnt come with one).

Yes, I think you make a good point - especially since Desmond says he is a landscape shooter and interested in wider angle lenses.

The current offerings in the wide-angle department are pricey (12/20 = $800, 7-14 = $900, 9-18 = $650). Some would argue that those prices can be justified, but they certainly aren't cheap.

However, the Panny 14/2.8 is only $200.

Jogger said:
Jogger said:

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/desmond2046/

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NZ Scott · Mar 24, 2012

KwhyChang said:
I agree with Desmond on this one and it is one of the reasons I bought into µ4/3.

Hi KwhyChang,

Can you support your opinion with some facts/figures?

DP13Photo said:
Jogger said:

desmond2046 said:

Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

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Not sure where youre getting your numbers. DSLR lenses are considerably cheaper than m43.

Nikon 30/1.8 is less than $200, 50/1.8G is less than $200, 50/1.4 is about $400, 85/1.8G is $500. There are no m43 equivalents for the 50/1.4 or the 85/1.8,1.4. Wide angle zooms, there the tokina 11-16/2.8 for less than half the price of the 7-14/4.

There are many reasons to go m43, but cheap lenses is not one of them. Want a lens hood for that 12/2? That'll be $100 (it doesnt come with one).

DP13Photo said:

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/desmond2046/

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DP13Photo · Mar 24, 2012

NZ Scott said:
KwhyChang said:

I agree with Desmond on this one and it is one of the reasons I bought into µ4/3.

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Hi KwhyChang,

Can you support your opinion with some facts/figures?

Coming from Canon, looking at my 50 1.4 and the 85 1.8... they were both lousy wide open, so I eventually sold and bought 50 1.2 L $1500 and the 85 1.2L at $2000.

My experience with µ4/3 is that they are much better wide open than the comparably aperture/priced Canon counterparts.... YMMV.
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NZ Scott · Mar 24, 2012

KwhyChang said:
NZ Scott said:

KwhyChang said:

I agree with Desmond on this one and it is one of the reasons I bought into µ4/3.

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Hi KwhyChang,

Can you support your opinion with some facts/figures?

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Coming from Canon, looking at my 50 1.4 and the 85 1.8... they were both lousy wide open, so I eventually sold and bought 50 1.2 L $1500 and the 85 1.2L at $2000.

My experience with µ4/3 is that they are much better wide open than the comparably aperture/priced Canon counterparts.... YMMV.
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A good point. I've found that my Oly 45/1.8 is sharp wide-open and does not need to be stopped down. I guess if I was shooting with a 80-90mm 1.4 prime on full frame I'd have to stop it down to f2-f2.8 anyway.

DP13Photo · Mar 24, 2012

NZ Scott said:
KwhyChang said:

NZ Scott said:

KwhyChang said:

I agree with Desmond on this one and it is one of the reasons I bought into µ4/3.

Click to expand...

Hi KwhyChang,

Can you support your opinion with some facts/figures?

Click to expand...

Coming from Canon, looking at my 50 1.4 and the 85 1.8... they were both lousy wide open, so I eventually sold and bought 50 1.2 L $1500 and the 85 1.2L at $2000.

My experience with µ4/3 is that they are much better wide open than the comparably aperture/priced Canon counterparts.... YMMV.
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A good point. I've found that my Oly 45/1.8 is sharp wide-open and does not need to be stopped down. I guess if I was shooting with a 80-90mm 1.4 prime on full frame I'd have to stop it down to f2-f2.8 anyway.

And that's assuming you don't have problems with lenses needing to be calibrated. IMO one of the true advantages of µ4/3 is CDAF (contrast detection auto focus) as opposed to PDAF. I get many more keepers.

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Louis_Dobson · Mar 24, 2012

Unless

You shoot RAW and pull up the shadows a lot (in which case you can potentially run out of DR - this is the downside of MFT for me, because I do that).

Shoot mainly at high ISOs (in which case you lag 2/3 of a stop to APS-C, although the E-M5 seems to have closed this gap for now, but only because it has the newest sensor).

Have to carry kit under hostile circumstances (in which case MFT is way lighter than anything else, and this is why I have it).

As for mirrorless, it is simply better unless you need C-AF a lot. The C-AF is lousy.

So, if any of the above apply to you, those would be compelling reasons to buy or not buy MFT.

If you don't want MFT, D7000 or, if you want something more interesting, second hand D700. Same price as an OM-D around here...

Lenses for MFT, 7-14, 25, 45. Hang on for Oly 75 and 60 macro.

desmond2046 said:
Hi, everyone.

I'm new to this forum. I have been using my Canon 500D(T1i) with 18-55/50,1.8 for three years. I feel it's time for me to get a new system. I have a budget of roughly $3000.

Many friends recommend D800. However, the system is way above my budget. The D7000 or A77 system look reasonable. However, they are a little boring. I'd like to give the mirrorless system a try. I've been considering nex-7 and EM-5 intensely. I prefer m43 because the lens options are much broader. BTW, I prefer auto-focus lenses.

I realize that the m43 has a smaller sensor, which may potentially mean worse IQ and DR. I also see that there are some good lenses like 12, 2 25, 1.4 and 45, 1.8. Lenses of this quality usually cost more than $1000 each on other systems. I really don't know what kind of result a smaller sensor & better lens combo would achieve.

I would like to hear some suggestion from you guys here. What system would you choose given $3000 budget? How would you choose the lenses?

Thanks,

Desmond
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samsonleePhoto · Mar 24, 2012

oly 45mm f1.8 & PL 45mm f2.8
which one is sharper ?
if $ is not a concern,which one would u prefer ?

NZ Scott · Mar 24, 2012

[URL='http://wwwOKCOMEONcom'] http://wwwOKCOMEONcom [/URL] said:
oly 45mm f1.8 & PL 45mm f2.8
which one is sharper ?
if $ is not a concern,which one would u prefer ?

I own the Oly and have shot with the Panny.

Both are very, very sharp. According to some reviews I have read, the Panny might be a little bit sharper at its optimal aperture, but in a practical sense there is nothing between them in terms of sharpness.

The Panny has one advantage over the Oly: It is a macro lens, which means it focuses much more closely on small objects such as insects.

The Olympus has three advantages: 1) It is cheaper. 2) It is smaller/lighter. 3) It is brighter (1.8 instead of 2.8). This means that it is better for portraits and low-light photography.

If I was a billionaire, I would still buy the Olympus. For me, size, weight and brightness are more important than macro ability at that focal length.

A $3000 system?

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