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http://xjrumo.com/2012/03/22/canon-concept/

It's good that we finally got a built-in (sorta) EVF Since the hump is already so high, why not just make it detachable? If it's not going to be integral like the NEX-7 EVF, it should at least be more versatile.

That way, hump haters and hump lovers can all be happy. Hump haters can just ditch the EVF and have a PEN. EVF lovers get a well-integrated, well-locking piece, with a hot shoe on top. If you don't want to fumble around or worry about losing it, just leave it on.

When I saw the first leaked pics of the E-M5, and remembered the rumors of a "modular" camera, I thought this is what Oly had done, but was disappointed.

This is just one person's concept. If Canon makes a camera like this, it will put a huge dent in µ4/3 sales if only because it's a Canon. Maybe the next OM-D will beat them to the punch.
 
Well, you'd loose 5-axis stabilization, for one.
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I don't get it why people complain about the "hump" so much. It's there for a reason other than to annoy you, you know. If you want an OM-D without hump, have a look at the GX1 or the G3. Because no IBIS is what you get, then.
 
It matters to people who put their camera in their pocket, I would imagine. It also matters to people who like the rangefinder look.
 
You can not have a modular dust and splash proof body. Well, basically you could but that would become a warranty nightmare for Olympus...
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Mk7 said:
It's good that we finally got a built-in (sorta) EVF Since the hump is already so high, why not just make it detachable? If it's not going to be integral like the NEX-7 EVF, it should at least be more versatile.
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And where to put the IS sensors that go in the hump? It is not the EVF that takes up the space in the hump...
Mk7 said:
That way, hump haters and hump lovers can all be happy. Hump haters can just ditch the EVF and have a PEN. EVF lovers get a well-integrated, well-locking piece, with a hot shoe on top. If you don't want to fumble around or worry about losing it, just leave it on.
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You can just build a cardboard cutout for a VF-2 or VF-3... Who would notice?
Mk7 said:
This is just one person's concept. If Canon makes a camera like this, it will put a huge dent in µ4/3 sales if only because it's a Canon. Maybe the next OM-D will beat them to the punch.
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LOL, Canon would never do this, a few reasons:

Canon is too conservative to make a retro styled camera. They design DSLRs in the EOS design (large melting lumps, with the US philosophy that better camera needs bigger house no matter what is inside) even their compact cameras are done with this in mind.

Canon are not going to compete with their low end DSLRs just like Nikon is not. They will design a sub-par mirrorless system to compete with Nikon-1 and leave their DSLR lines as they are. So far it is only in Japan that DSLR sales are down while mirrorless is up, in Europe and the US both are up while compacts are down...

Canon would be no more of a thread to m43 than Sony and Samsung are, both systems have the capabilities to be, but currently, neither system have the lenses to be. Canon will not be able to release a new system with 15-20 lenses available at day one either.
 
dp88 said:
It matters to people who put their camera in their pocket, I would imagine. It also matters to people who like the rangefinder look.
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Then again... There are the PEN serie, the GF and the GX series...
 
This OMD beat them to the punch already, no reason to wait for the next one. E-M5 sales will be huge and frankly I am glad the viewfinder is attached permanently to the body, I want a small camera, not one that fits in my pocket and feels like a compact toy.
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Can't have the rangefinder look with all the new functionality.

Can't have all the functionality without making it bigger
 
Canon just doesn't get it. They are trying to preserve and protect an old format.
The Canon users (like the OP) come here hoping some day Canon figures this out.

Here is the big problem: Lenses.

Virtually all Canon lenses will not work well on CDAF cameras. They are also too big, and most are too noisy. They need to start frm scratch and that will take years.

My bet is soon Canon will deliver an interchangable lens mirrorless camera with that slightly larger 4:3 sensor. Then they will rely on Sigma and Tamron to help with lenses. It will hurt their APS DSLR sales.
 
Go buy an E-PM1. There are options in the M43 line-up you know.
 
That "modular" removable EVF design is misleading. As you can clearly see in their mock-up, the EVF dips below the top-plate of the camera, and yet, the EVF-less mock-up doesn't reflect this fact. So the mock-up is rather dishonest and misleading. If you removed the EVF, you wouldn't be left with a clean, flat top-plate. You would actually have a fairly sizable chunk, the width of the viewfinder hump and several millimeters deep, missing from the camera. It wouldn't just be a clean flat surface with a hotshoe there!







Likewise, the E-M5's EVF dips well below the top-plate of the camera as well, as you can clearly see from this cross-section of the E-M5. So it's not simply a case of just being able to remove the EVF, leaving you with a clean, flat top-plate. In doing so, you'd leave a massive hole in the camera body, just as you would in the proposed Canon design.

As you can see from the E-M5 cutaway, the EVF components actually dip down into the body to the level of the lens mount! It's not just something that is sitting atop the camera.







The reality is that if the E-M5 or this Canon mock-up were to truly have a modular or removable EVF, the viewfinder hump would have to be much taller, or the EVF screen would have to be much smaller. As you can see from the current design of the E-M5 EVF, the viewfinder dips well into the body of the camera, and isn't just something that sits atop the body.

So any "modular" EVF design would have to account for this sizeable chunk of the camera being missing when the EVF module is removed-- something that the proposed Canon mock-up clearly does not show. Or, the proposed design should be showing a much taller EVF tower that completely sits above the camera body.
Mk7 said:
http://xjrumo.com/2012/03/22/canon-concept/

It's good that we finally got a built-in (sorta) EVF Since the hump is already so high, why not just make it detachable? If it's not going to be integral like the NEX-7 EVF, it should at least be more versatile.

That way, hump haters and hump lovers can all be happy. Hump haters can just ditch the EVF and have a PEN. EVF lovers get a well-integrated, well-locking piece, with a hot shoe on top. If you don't want to fumble around or worry about losing it, just leave it on.

When I saw the first leaked pics of the E-M5, and remembered the rumors of a "modular" camera, I thought this is what Oly had done, but was disappointed.

This is just one person's concept. If Canon makes a camera like this, it will put a huge dent in µ4/3 sales if only because it's a Canon. Maybe the next OM-D will beat them to the punch.
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Everdog said:
Canon just doesn't get it. They are trying to preserve and protect an old format.
The Canon users (like the OP) come here hoping some day Canon figures this out.

Here is the big problem: Lenses.

Virtually all Canon lenses will not work well on CDAF cameras. They are also too big, and most are too noisy. They need to start frm scratch and that will take years.

My bet is soon Canon will deliver an interchangable lens mirrorless camera with that slightly larger 4:3 sensor. Then they will rely on Sigma and Tamron to help with lenses. It will hurt their APS DSLR sales.
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Yes, Canon will start from scratch, but you have to remember that Canon certainly has the resources to do so. You also have to remember that they had to "start from scratch" when they introduced the entirely new Canon EOS system in 1987. They were able to get the EOS system going pretty quickly, and clearly they were massively successful with the EOS system-- in spite of having to "start from scratch" against the long-established Nikon F system. So don't be so dismissive or flippant about Canon. They will be a serious force to contend with when they enter the mirrorless market. Not only do they have the massive resources to produce what they need to be competitive, but they also have their massive brand popularity on their side, too.
 
dp88 said:
It matters to people who put their camera in their pocket, I would imagine. It also matters to people who like the rangefinder look.
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I don't think there are too many people who can actually fit these cameras in their pocket, even without the hump. I think most people who claim that they want these cameras without humps so they can put them in their pocket just end up carrying the camera around on a strap anyways. I use an E-PM1, which would still be more compact than an E-M5 with no hump, and yet I still carry it around on a camera strap. It's just too difficult, if not impossible, to get it into your pocket if you have a lens mounted, unless you have very very large pockets!
 
T3 said:
Everdog said:
Canon just doesn't get it. They are trying to preserve and protect an old format.
The Canon users (like the OP) come here hoping some day Canon figures this out.

Here is the big problem: Lenses.

Virtually all Canon lenses will not work well on CDAF cameras. They are also too big, and most are too noisy. They need to start frm scratch and that will take years.

My bet is soon Canon will deliver an interchangable lens mirrorless camera with that slightly larger 4:3 sensor. Then they will rely on Sigma and Tamron to help with lenses. It will hurt their APS DSLR sales.
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Yes, Canon will start from scratch, but you have to remember that Canon certainly has the resources to do so. You also have to remember that they had to "start from scratch" when they introduced the entirely new Canon EOS system in 1987....
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Except were they going up against other companies like Sony and Panasonic that already have over 50% of the market in Japan?

They may very well become leaders, but it will be years before that happens. They have zero lenses (although Sigma and Tamron will adapt some for them).

My guess is they will always do well with FF cameras, they will try to protect their Rebel series by only releasing fixed lens cameras or once that do not compete with Rebels, and then in a couple years jump on board.

Also, I don't think Nikon's "stepping stone to DSLR" approach is a good idea.
 
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