D800 hobbled by poor conversion?

If you stop wearing rose tinted lens you can see the result everywhere.
Which results?
Some people just don't know when they are beaten.
Yeah, 36 beats 22. Ouch!
D800 price is dropping like flies because it is a dud.
That would explain why it is in 1st place on Amazon and the 5D3 in 3rd, or why Nikon's are on back order while 5D3's are sitting on shelves.
The video is a joke too. After clean HDMI hype no one will ever believe what Nikon says.
The HDMI is clean.
 
If you stop wearing rose tinted lens you can see the result everywhere.
Which results?
Some people just don't know when they are beaten.
Yeah, 36 beats 22. Ouch!
D800 price is dropping like flies because it is a dud.
That would explain why it is in 1st place on Amazon and the 5D3 in 3rd, or why Nikon's are on back order while 5D3's are sitting on shelves.
Its been around on preorder for around 40 days, a lot longer, only a fool wouldnt know. BHphoto has twice as many 5DIII on order than D800. I don't see 5DIII sitting on chelves but I know people returning D4 because the video is duff.
The video is a joke too. After clean HDMI hype no one will ever believe what Nikon says.
The HDMI is clean.
Dirty 1080i

Maybe I shouldbe feiding the troll
 
Andre De Angelis wrote:
The 5DIII is 2 stop better than 5D2 and better than D4.
Umm no, The D4 is at least a stop better than the 5D3.
It was expose differently because of lighting changes.
In Canon's favor.
Jpegs has better details than the water colour from D4 and D800.
No one buys these cameras to produce OOC JPEGS.
Nikon is the weakest link. Goodbye!
Nikon have hit a home run. See ya!
Just be happy you are proud owner of an inferior product.
Do us a favour, now bugger off you troll.
 
Just be happy you are proud owner of an inferior product.
Do us a favour, now bugger off you troll.
I'll take that as advice from someone who knows what it means to have an inferior product.

I'll be more than happy woth my inferior product that delivers superior IQ, more DR, more resolution and for $500 less.

That would explain why it's #1 on Amazon, while the superior product is at #5 and gathering dust on shop shelves.
 
Taikonaut
I just demonstrated my free speech and a complaint has been sent to ban you from this forum.
Great. I just did the sane.

I joined this thread to answer the question of the OP, while you have made no attempt to address the topic. It should be easy for the moderator to decide who is trolling.
 
Its been around on preorder for around 40 days, a lot longer,
How is that possible when it was only announced a few weeks ago?
B&H has twice as many 5DIII on order than D800
That doesn't prove they are spoken for.
. I don't see 5DIII sitting on chelves but I know people returning D4 because the video is duff.
Too funny. No one is buying the D4 for video.
Dirty 1080i
Clean 1080p.
 
I was just thinking the same thing and then I hit your post lol. How childish. Two amazing cameras and yet one has to be superior in some peoples minds. I'd be happy with either. Wonder if any of these FBoys can actually shoot?
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Answered my own question, nope. No galleries, challenges, websites....nothing. Just a bunch of "my camera is better than yours". So I guess take it all with a grain of salt.
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More claims without evidence Andre. Tsk tsk
Andre De Angelis wrote:
The 5DIII is 2 stop better than 5D2 and better than D4.
Umm no, The D4 is at least a stop better than the 5D3.
It was expose differently because of lighting changes.
In Canon's favor.
Jpegs has better details than the water colour from D4 and D800.
No one buys these cameras to produce OOC JPEGS.
Nikon is the weakest link. Goodbye!
Nikon have hit a home run. See ya!
 
Sure, that's one factor, another is the fact that DPReview samples were taken at F/11, which is diffraction territory even on a D3x:



When viewing RAW samples taken at optimum aperture, like those from IR, the difference between the 5DII and D800, especially at 36mp, is quite clear. Standard LR4 conversion, 5DII upsampled to 36mp using bicubic:





And when comparing the SOOC JPGs from the D800 to the standard LR4 conversion, you can see that LR4 doesn't really do the D800 justice. IR JPG SOOC samples, 5DII upsampled to 36mp using bicubic:





LR4 can extract much out of the D800 RAWs, however you can't use the default settings. Here's the D800E compared to the Leica S2 with a bit of sharpening and clarity added:





Unlabeled, so that sensor size bias wont affect anyones judgement.
Let me preface by saying that my intent here is not to defend the D800; I have a 5D3 on order ready to ship. I just think that each camera should be optimally converted in order to assess its true potential.

So, here is my comment. When I studied D800 raw samples in DPR's preview, I found them much worse than those from other sources. Then I came across this post in the Nikon forum:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40964357

It seems to me that the D800's poor raw showing in the preview might be due to this factor. I have tried to find a description of the method of conversion used in DPR's preview but haven't found anything. When I look at the JPG versions, they seem better than the raw and display the kind of clarity that I've seen elsewhere.

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You seem to have that backwards.



The 5DIII is on the far left, the D800 is the one next to it. Or then we have very different definitions of the water-color look.
The 5DIII is 2 stop better than 5D2 and better than D4. It was expose differently because of lighting changes. Jpegs has better details than the water colour from D4 and D800. Nikon is the weakest link. Goodbye!
 
1080p in a 1080i wrapper . The footage is not interlaced, only the packaging format is, as to provide optimum compatibility with viewing devices. Any viewing device will play it back as progressive, and any editing software will edit it as progressive, with no loss in quality. According to Atomos, there are no video cameras on the market that output 1080p30 over HDMI, as there just is no point in sacrificing compatibility for no gain in quality.
Dirty 1080i

Maybe I shouldbe feiding the troll
 
i hope you forget change yours glasses, I am owner of 5d2, but stoping from d800 is only 1,2 L lenses...3x d800 sellings compare 5d3 says who is who. very sory canon funs, last realy good news in our camp was 5d original... d700 always technicaly was 1 step forward-color is difrent story...
 
Who cares?? seems like all tests are wrong IR and dpreview because it's not what they thought it would be, and when Dxomark has the results with the D800 they will be wrong also LOL..
Let me preface by saying that my intent here is not to defend the D800; I have a 5D3 on order ready to ship. I just think that each camera should be optimally converted in order to assess its true potential.

So, here is my comment. When I studied D800 raw samples in DPR's preview, I found them much worse than those from other sources. Then I came across this post in the Nikon forum:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40964357

It seems to me that the D800's poor raw showing in the preview might be due to this factor. I have tried to find a description of the method of conversion used in DPR's preview but haven't found anything. When I look at the JPG versions, they seem better than the raw and display the kind of clarity that I've seen elsewhere.

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Ya ok now get back in Nikon forum.
If you stop wearing rose tinted lens you can see the result everywhere.
Which results?
Some people just don't know when they are beaten.
Yeah, 36 beats 22. Ouch!
D800 price is dropping like flies because it is a dud.
That would explain why it is in 1st place on Amazon and the 5D3 in 3rd, or why Nikon's are on back order while 5D3's are sitting on shelves.
The video is a joke too. After clean HDMI hype no one will ever believe what Nikon says.
The HDMI is clean.
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I just think that each camera should be optimally converted in order to assess its true potential.
What happens then is everyone squabbles over what is "optimally converted" instead of comparing cameras. One could say the same thing, even more so, about lens choices. My preference would be to use the manfuactures supplied software to convert RAW. That may be very inconvenient for the testers as they have to sort out each software package, and folks will still complain it isn't done properly.

Bottom line, get over it.
Yes. Some Nikon fanboys just cannot get over the fact that their new baby D800 has been beaten by a 3.5yrs old sensor of the 5D2 so felt the need to explain on here. Excuses, excuses.......
Whatever...
 

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