Panasonic Lumix 3D-1 review part III Youtube video

Thanks for the samples. You do have a good eye for 3D.

I have also found that with experience I do not need a 3D viewer in the field. The (pricey) Z10000 actually gives you the changing range for effective 3D as you zoom so one does not forget and get too close and one does not need to go into 3D viewing mode for the LCD. It also has a mode for close-up 3D (within .45m).
 
Nice video, buuuut for 80% higher price you get a Sony TD10 - bigger, but 10x better features (10x zoom, 3" lenticular display, ... reaaaaaal 3D - 2x 1920x1080!)

Lumix 3D1 € 469
Sony TD10 € 835
 
The real comparison is with the 3D Bloggie - for a pocketable 3D camera. And the 3D-1 is clearly superior to it - in video quality, in sound, in quality of still pictures, and in having OIS and optical zoom. The greater io distance also helps in obtaining better 3D depth. So, for 3.5X the price of the Bloggie you get 10X the quality and features!
 
The real comparison is with the 3D Bloggie - for a pocketable 3D camera. And the 3D-1 is clearly superior to it - in video quality, in sound, in quality of still pictures, and in having OIS and optical zoom. The greater io distance also helps in obtaining better 3D depth. So, for 3.5X the price of the Bloggie you get 10X the quality and features!
You are spot on. The 3D-1 slips into my pocket and I can carry it around all the time, whereas the older Sony 3D model ( nice as it is, is built like a brick ) and the newer Sony is still not pocketable but also has a smaller stereobase than its predecessor.

In the UK the Sony Bloggie 3D was launched at a price of £249 and I bought my 3-D1 for £399 so not a massive difference between the two at launch. The Sony Bloggie 3D is now available for around £120 and occasionally £100 new. Next year, no doubt the 3-D1 will be substantially reduced in price as well.

I have bought a viewfinder loupe to use with the 3D-1, so the 3-D1's 2D screen is also better for me than the Bloggie's 3D screen. The loupe can be carried in another pocket, and carried around the neck when actually using the camera.I also have a Panasonic SDT750 with 10mm io. Both of my Panasonic camcorders operate at European PAL's 25 fps ( matching fps for editing ) and the 750 is handy for great 3D close-ups.

For it's cost, practicallity, and quality, the 3D-1 is excellent. I have found the 4X zoom works well, and is a very useful extra, compared with the fixed focal length lens of the Bloggie and SDT 750.

For owners of the Fujifilm W3 it's handy to know that stills taken with the 3-D1 can be viewed in 3D on the W3 ( presumably also on the W1 ) Although the W3 can take deep 3d with its io of 75mm, it can easily produce stills that are difficult to view on screen ( eg. close-ups with distant backgrounds in the same shot ) or stills that are difficult to make anaglyphs from, so the 3-D1 can be a useful addition to one's 3D stills' arsenal, for not much more than the cost of a Cyclopital adapter.

It's easy to critisise products for one reason or another, price, features etc. but in the case of the 3-D1 I do think that Panasonic has produced an excellent little 2D/3D camcorder/camera. The 3D-1 also has a few extra features up its sleeve for 2D use, including separately zooming lenses and a special night shot feature, to add to its feature count.

Finally, as I have an inexpensive ( but excellent quality ) Panasonic 3D Bluray player with built-in SD card reader, I can simply take the SD card out of the camera, put it into the Bluray player, and immediately view my 3D stills and 3D AVCHD video clips on my Samsung ( could be LG or any other ) 3D TV. Brilliant.
 
For me a "not must have" ...

FujiW3 less than € 200
Sony Bloggy3D less than € 200
Sony TD10 € 835

Lumix3D1 is toooo expensive for few features. :-(
 
1. You cannot take 3D videos with "every" camera.

2. You cannot take anything but still lifes and scenic shots in 3D with a single camera - there can be no moving people or cars.

3. If you need a pocketable camera for 3D videos and stills for the real world outside of your house and yard, where there is action, then the 3D1 is the best option
 
Hehe, my two Canons are very small - and full supported for 3D, movie & photo.
And cheaper than Lumix3D1 :-)







 
For me a "not must have" ...

FujiW3 less than € 200
Sony Bloggy3D less than € 200
Sony TD10 € 835

Lumix3D1 is toooo expensive for few features. :-(
Fuji W3 too wide stereo base poor video
Sony Bloggie no zoom too narrow stereo base
Sony TD1 Great video, no 3d still WTF?
Cha cha method. does not work for moving subjects

Panasonic 3D1 looking pretty good
 
Nice two-camera rig, but:

1. The video is only 72030p. Now, it is true that is two views at that, non squished. But the video quality of the camera is not very good (I downloaded an original clip).

2. You cannot use the zoom lens fully - no way you can be sure they are zoomed exactly the same except fully wide or fully telephoto, no? The dedicated stereo 3D1 can use zoom from 1X to 4X and all intermediate points.

3. Not exactly pocketable.

4. Precision alignment of the two lenses compared to dedicated stereo camera like the 3D1 is doubtful.

5. Harder to edit for video than an MVC file(TD10) or the 1/2-frame, but doable.

6. Maybe the io is not short enough for many applications.

But, not bad.
 
And don't forget, no optical stabilization in 3D for the Bloggie or the W3, but have it for the 3D1.
 
You cannot have all ....

Lumix3D1 ... very expensive .... aaaaand nooooo lenticular display .... SHAME!

Movie only side-by-side :-( Best 3" lenticular displays: FujiW3, SonyTD10, LG P920

Both Fuji W3 and Sony TD10 have REAL 3D ! Not side-by-side.

With Lumix3D1 side-by-side you lose 50%, if you use passive TV, then you lose additional 50%. You get only 960x540 , 25% of 1920x1080, huhuhuhuhuhu.

Many people cry/cry/cry if lens distance is only 1cm - 3cm ... Fuji W3 has 7cm ... now other people are crying ... lens distance = human eye distance!
 
Of course you can use two same size Canons with 1920x1080. With CHDK software you can do all what you can do with a "3D camera" - even zoom etc.
 
You cannot make the zoom on two cameras exactly the same except at the extremes, no?
 
You cannot have all ....

Lumix3D1 ... very expensive .... aaaaand nooooo lenticular display .... SHAME!

Movie only side-by-side :-( Best 3" lenticular displays: FujiW3, SonyTD10, LG P920

Both Fuji W3 and Sony TD10 have REAL 3D ! Not side-by-side.

With Lumix3D1 side-by-side you lose 50%, if you use passive TV, then you lose additional 50%. You get only 960x540 , 25% of 1920x1080, huhuhuhuhuhu.

Many people cry/cry/cry if lens distance is only 1cm - 3cm ... Fuji W3 has 7cm ... now other people are crying ... lens distance = human eye distance!
All that you have written sounds correct : )) The thing is, when you examine the facts, all is not what it may seem to be, apart from the one fact that there is no lenticular display. Can't argue with that and this is probably a real mistake that Panasonic have made if they are hoping that the 3D-1 will sell well to the general public

But I will return to this point when I have answered your other points.

I own a Fujifilm W3 and I will continue to use it and because I have both the W3 and the 3D1 cameras, I can report that your point regarding the quality of the 2 X full size w3 (AVI ) video being better than the Panasonic's SBS AVCHD is not correct. The 3D-1's video is far and away superior to that of the W3's video. It is better from the point of view of definition, with its new sensors and new video engine, of ease of editing, and of much much better use of memory, using far less of the SD card.

Although the (much) higher priced camcorders do have the potential for full 100% Bluray quality video recording, they also require a powerful ( therefore expensive ) computer to edit the video and I'm not even sure if there is a 3D MVC editor on the market at anything like the reasonable cost of the 3D Magix 17 or 18 editors.

The 3D-1's AVCHD 50% SBS format can be editied with ease on my i5 laptop using Magix, and can then be burned to DVD as a 3D HD M2TS video file to give a high quality image on screen, comparable to TV broadcast 3D from SKY.

In the future no doubt full 3D Bluray MVC will become more price friendly, but at present it is very expensive , requiring serious processing power to edit, a much more expensive 3D camcorder lke the Sony and JVC models you mentioned, and ( I believe ) a 2X (or faster) BDROM drive to burn the 3D video.

I'm not sure what you mean by .....

Many people cry/cry/cry if lens distance is only 1cm - 3cm ... Fuji W3 has 7cm ... now other people are crying ... lens distance = human eye distance!

Cameras do not have human eyes, camera lenses do a different job from eyes.

Eyes converge and focus at the same point, camera lenses are parallel. Camera lenses may be variable focal lenses, human eyes have one focal length. Humans don't have wide-angle or telephoto lenses. The image produced by a camera may be viewed on a small screen, like the camera's LCD display or a large TV screen or much larger cinema screen, each requiring a different io to get best results. Viewing on screen requires the viewer to focus and converge at different points ( not one the same point as happens in real life ) so there is a limit to the depth that a viewer can comfortably handle.

Panasonic ( like Sony and JVC ) have wisely settled on a ( approx ) 30mm io to get good 3D that appears realistic on a regular 3D TV taking account of the fact that home movies by and large are taken to record action in the 3ft to 25ft range.

Not only does this 30mm stereobase allow for good depth at this range but it also allows for backgrounds to be in shot as well. A 65mm ( human eye distance ) io is too wide to allow this and viewing is very uncomfortable. The wider still W3's 75mm io can be great for relatively small 3D images but care is still needed to record images that are not uncomfortable to view.

On a TV screen the hyper 75mm io images also appear 'smaller scale' than real life and it is very difficult to use the camera as a video camera without producing very difficult to view 3D.

Finally, to return to the lack of lenticular display....

Panasonic have probaably made a big mistake not providing a 3D display as any newcomer to 3D is firstly very impressed with the 3D image they see on the camera's screen, even on a poor barrier screen like that of the Sony Bloggie 3D, and totally amazed by the 3D they see on the Fujifilm's excellent lenticular display. I am sure that this will cost Panasonic lots of sales.

However for a keen 3D amateur, the 2D screen has its good points. LCD displays are very difficult to view outdoors ( impossible on a sunny day ) and a viewfinder loupe can be of real benefit. The 3D-1 's screen can be viewed through a loupe, magnified, and clearly viewed because it is 2D.

With experience it is easily possible to judge what the 3D will look like when you finally return home to view the video or stills on a full size screen.

Aside from it's being an excellent pocketable 3D camera and 3D camcorder it has a very useful 2D night shot trick up its sleeve as well and it can simultaneously take wide-angle plus telephoto shots or take independent 2D stills plus 2D video and it has excellent stereo audio recording and superb optical image stabilisation.

Man, this 3D-1 is cheap, cheap, cheap
 

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