Also, aren't some of the older Sony lenses just Minolta lenses with a Sony badge? I can't really see how they'd maintain compatibility with the Sony branded ones but not with the Minolta branded ones.
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No screw drive in the A37... Sony does a nikon
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EXX
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You cannot blame Sony for Sigma not wanting to pay licence fees on Sony technology. Instead, Sigma uses reverse engineering, which always has the risk of not being 100% compatible.
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brendon1000
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One of THE most ridiculous decisions IMO. If its true then the whole reason why I bought Sony in the first place would go away. (To use old Minolta lenses).
I am sure this will only result in reduced sales as Sony still doesn't have the same brand value as either Nikon or Canon.
Nikon can get away with selling crap (like the J1 and V1 which are probably selling better than Sony even though both cameras can't match the IQ of even the cheapest Sony NEX cam).
I am sure this will only result in reduced sales as Sony still doesn't have the same brand value as either Nikon or Canon.
Nikon can get away with selling crap (like the J1 and V1 which are probably selling better than Sony even though both cameras can't match the IQ of even the cheapest Sony NEX cam).
dlkeller
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I'm not blaming Sony for Sigma's issue. I was just making a statement of lens availability working to Sony's benifit. On the other hand I wouldn't doubt they are intentionally inserting something into their software to cause Sigma, who doesn't want to pay for liicense, to have problems--well within their rights.
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Roughly four years ago I passed on the Nikon D40 and bought the Sony a200 just because the Nikon didn't have a built in focus motor. Within a month my wife bought a Canon 400D Rebel for the same reason.
Nikon is still in business so maybe this isn't the end of the world, but I don't like this move. Especially without having lots of Easy Choice in-body focus motor lenses to pick from.
and on a totally different subject: I'm really liking my brand new Easy Choice DT 35mm SAM lens.
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TrojMacReady
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So are the A-mount lenses without motors... Only the required adapter is different.and the lenses with motors are compatible with the NEX cameras as well (with an adapter of course).
brendon1000
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^^ Yeah the 35mm f1.8 is one of my favorite lenses too ! 
However my contention is that Nikon has a big brand name and people wouldn't mind picking it up since they have plenty of lenses with lens motors. Sony has neither a strong brand name (compared to Nikon), nor a strong lens line up regardless of scew driven or lens based motors.
So I feel this is only going to hurt Sony rather than give them any real monetary benefit. However this is only a rumour so lets hope it isn't true.
However my contention is that Nikon has a big brand name and people wouldn't mind picking it up since they have plenty of lenses with lens motors. Sony has neither a strong brand name (compared to Nikon), nor a strong lens line up regardless of scew driven or lens based motors.
So I feel this is only going to hurt Sony rather than give them any real monetary benefit. However this is only a rumour so lets hope it isn't true.
Today maybe, but how long will that last? Once Sony no longer makes screw drive lenses, all bets are off for backward compatibility. Nikon hasn't introduced a new screw drive lens in half a decade, and is quickly moving to making screw drive lenses obsolete, so why not Sony?So are the A-mount lenses without motors... Only the required adapter is different.and the lenses with motors are compatible with the NEX cameras as well (with an adapter of course).
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TrojMacReady
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I live today, I'm not sure about you.Today maybe, but how long will that last? Once Sony no longer makes screw drive lenses, all bets are off for backward compatibility. Nikon hasn't introduced a new screw drive lens in half a decade, and is quickly moving to making screw drive lenses obsolete, so why not Sony?So are the A-mount lenses without motors... Only the required adapter is different.and the lenses with motors are compatible with the NEX cameras as well (with an adapter of course).
The screw drive adapter was developed after the one without motors, so clearly they know there is sufficient demand for it atleast the coming year, despite the much higher price.
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If Sony didn't want to deal with lenses that require a motor to drive them installed on the camera, then they shouldn't have bought Minolta, they should have started from scratch their own mount, maybe the E-mount would have arrived a long time ago.
But they didn't, they bought Minolta and they knew they were getting into a system that was mostly based on lenses driven by the camera, not a motor inside every lens. They picked up the ball, now they got to carry it.
The fact that Nikon made sure that you can't use their new lenses with old SLRs, doesn't mean Sony should do the same. I know plenty of photographers here who still use Nikon SLRs, but because of the lack of an aperture ring and that the old version of the mount won't drive the lens' motor, they can't use new lenses on their cameras.
Regardless of what companies think, SLRs are still used. So this dumb move by Sony of removing the focusing motor in the entry level bodies and installing electronic motors on the lenses so you won't complain about the noise they make during video recording, it's just doing what somebody already did. Minolta at least had the guts and vision to try new things and doing as much as possible to not make it backwards incompatible.
The only time they did, was when they switched the MD mount to AF, and that was because they didn't have another way out to make a mount with precise control over apertures, shutter speeds, etc. Canon ended up doing the same but it took them 2 years to catch up.
Taking in account that the current line-up has several holes filled by the Minolta glass that floats around, I find it foolish to remove the option of using legacy lenses on entry level bodies.
If Sony is that desperate for everyone to switch to SAM and SSM, they should lower their prices considerably, so the lenses are more affordable, but seeing that they raise them every 4 weeks, I really don't know where the hell they are aiming at.
But they didn't, they bought Minolta and they knew they were getting into a system that was mostly based on lenses driven by the camera, not a motor inside every lens. They picked up the ball, now they got to carry it.
The fact that Nikon made sure that you can't use their new lenses with old SLRs, doesn't mean Sony should do the same. I know plenty of photographers here who still use Nikon SLRs, but because of the lack of an aperture ring and that the old version of the mount won't drive the lens' motor, they can't use new lenses on their cameras.
Regardless of what companies think, SLRs are still used. So this dumb move by Sony of removing the focusing motor in the entry level bodies and installing electronic motors on the lenses so you won't complain about the noise they make during video recording, it's just doing what somebody already did. Minolta at least had the guts and vision to try new things and doing as much as possible to not make it backwards incompatible.
The only time they did, was when they switched the MD mount to AF, and that was because they didn't have another way out to make a mount with precise control over apertures, shutter speeds, etc. Canon ended up doing the same but it took them 2 years to catch up.
Taking in account that the current line-up has several holes filled by the Minolta glass that floats around, I find it foolish to remove the option of using legacy lenses on entry level bodies.
If Sony is that desperate for everyone to switch to SAM and SSM, they should lower their prices considerably, so the lenses are more affordable, but seeing that they raise them every 4 weeks, I really don't know where the hell they are aiming at.
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.... because I do not see the point of screwdrive lenses and cannot stand paying a premium for old Minolta lenses. I REFUSE to buy the probably greatest lens in existence. the 135Z - not for this price AND it being screwdrive.
Take it as you want My only gripe is that when SONY brings updated SSM versions, the price will be even higher - but at least, in the case of choosing old Minolta lenses for a premium, the SONY lenses will be new with warranty, and in the case of the 135/85Z, there will be SSM.
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My only gripe is that when SONY brings updated SSM versions, the price will be even higher - but at least, in the case of choosing old Minolta lenses for a premium, the SONY lenses will be new with warranty, and in the case of the 135/85Z, there will be SSM. --
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