No screw drive in the A37... Sony does a nikon

someone posted here in relation to the A57 that there was a new 18-55 coming out soon that was to be good for video... I though he might have read it in the A57 release info on DPR but I didn't see it.. has anyone else seen it? might be a piece of the puzzle if they are release all new lenses with something different than the SAM motors.
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And, aren't they still make brand new screw drive lenses? do they even have a 200+ mm SAM lens? (I doubt many persons are gonna buy a new A37 to match up with a 300mm G prime SSM). They don't really even have a basic range of lenses to support a move like this.
Mmm I went to http://www.dyxum.com/lenses and the advanced search to search for AF in-lens drive lenses and it showed me 43 lenses of which most are in production.
It is 35 not 43 and many cover the same focal lengths.

I did the same and Sony makes 12 such lenses that are in production which includes the esoteric 300mm F2.8 and 70-200 F2.8 and the full frame 28-75. There is also the 70-300G and 70-400G as well.

CZ make a further three. 24mmF2, 24-70 and 16-35.

The other lenses with in lens motors are 16-50 F2.8, 18-55, 55-200, 30, 35, 50 and 85 SAM's.

Now I would say out of that list the most likely lenses to find their way onto a budget camera are the 18-55, 55-200, 30, 35, 50 and 85 SAM's. And that is it. The range of budget in-lens motor lenses made by Sony is tiny.

The number of HSM lenses from the likes of Sigma in production is 20 hence 35 total but given there are several lenses competing with each other such as the 17-50 Tamron & 18-50 Sigma which compete with the Sony 16-50 anyway there are not 35 different HSM type lenses to choose from. Same with the likes of 18-250 and 18-270 lenses.

There are a further 15 screw drive lenses that Sony make that won't work and as you would expect they form a lens range and few lenses compete with each other in the range so all in all there is more choice available if your camera works with both types of lens.
Fair enough some HSM are probably not finding their way to beginner cameras. Anyway you might be surprised but Sony is a company and hence needs to make profit by selling. Sony does not make money out of second hand lens sales so it could not care less about us. Yeah screw them I think, although at the same time they need to keep the old-timers happy to but they won't be buying A37s (in general).
If you want a travel zoom like that for your A37 you will have no choice but to buy a Tamron or Sigma. The Sony 18-250 won't work on the rumoured camera so how does that make money for Sony? The same is true if you wanted a wide-angle zoom. The 11-18 doesn't work. Sigma will sell Sony users a similar lens though!

Want a 70-300? The screw drive Sony sells is one of the cheapest available such lenses for £170 or less but won't work on the rumoured camera. The 70-300G is about five times the price so it looks like its a Sigma or a Tamron again.

If Sony does this given the lack of knowledge of some camera shop sales, people the ignorance of some people who buy a dslr not really knowing what they are getting I can foresee many unahppy customers who buy and Sony camera then later but a Sony lens only to find the thing won't focus!
 
the new price would appeal to some of the new posters I see here that are only looking for a P&S with better IQ and could care less about photography. they will never change lenses.
I bet there is a fair chance such users might decide to buy another lens at some point but out of ignorance by a Sony lens to put on their Sony camera and be rather shocked to find their nice new 18-250 won't focus!
 
  • lighter body
  • smaller body
  • easier and cheaper to manufacture
  • no need for backward compatibility so simpler to design
  • reduce mechanical stuff that Sony doesn't like -- electronics are better
  • reduce sales of used screw-drive Minolta, KM, Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina, etc. lenses and increase sales of new Sony lenses with motors
  • Sony makes more money
All are good things. Next step is move it up the line.
Agree 100%
 
In the sense that, it seems that it will progress to the 5 series, of which I will mainly be using in the forseeable future.

Or perhaps I am jumping the gun?
 
My issue is this (same with cheap Nikons), by buying the cheaper body, you can't take advantages of the giant library of existing lenses out there

Screw drive AF Nikons are much less expensive than AF-S lenses, but you can't AF with them...

Forcing me to spend $$$...
 
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Again, actually the Sonyalpharumors rumor says:

“The A37 is not compatible with Minolta lenses, only with SAM and SSM lenses!“ ,

Not compatible doesn't necessarily mean eliminating the screw drive ! It could just be something electronic...

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Actually the Sonyalpharumors rumor says:

“The A37 is not compatible with Minolta lenses, only with SAM and SSM lenses!“ ,

It says nothing about eliminating the screw drive ! It could be something electronic...
Well, it also says nothing about the Sony lenses which do not have SAM or SSM.
Anyway, it's a rumor and I hope Sony doesn't do that, there are still many great Minolta lenses out there at low costs, perfect for newbies.
Let's hope.

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Hmm..but the question then would be...

If not for removing the screw drive what would be the advantage of making the A37 uncompatible with other lenses? (I mean it would rather annoy people them make them purchase Sonys SAM and SSM in reality).
 
this is a planned result.
My issue is this (same with cheap Nikons), by buying the cheaper body, you can't take advantages of the giant library of existing lenses out there

Screw drive AF Nikons are much less expensive than AF-S lenses, but you can't AF with them...

Forcing me to spend $$$...
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Dave Oddie wrote:

lenses like the 35 F1.4 would likely disappear forever and CZ would have to re-engineer the 16-80, 85 and 135.

They would need new fisheye, 20mm & 28mm lenses. The 16-105, 18-250, 75-300, 50 and 100 macros and many other lenses would become obsolete.

So if Sony wants to encourage doubt in the long term viability of people lens collections then "moving it up the line" is the thing to do.
Entry level camera buyers hardly buy g or zeiss lenses, those could be kept as they are while the upper level bodies would still have af motors.

I'm not happy about this but I don't see how this is a problem for a present Sony user, we already have our cameras and lenses, and when we buy a new body it's not going to be the smallest cheapest one anyway.

Some of the future new users will be bummed though, if this rumour is though.
 
You are thinking too much about what is good for the customer. You need to start thinking about what is good for Sony profitibility and what will more likely result in bonuses for executives. Then you will see it is all good stuff and the sooner motors can be removed from all Sony bodies the better. I see this faulty customer-centric thinking occasionally here. It's got to stop!!!!!!!
 
I sort of expected this eventually, although not this soon. This is the major reason I bought the Tamron 18-270 PZD instead of the Sony 18-250 last summer.
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Sony is trying to make "DSLR" cameras as cheap as possible. First they replaced the expensive penta-prism with a cheaper penta-mirror. And later on they even eliminate the OVF completely and replaced with an even cheaper to implement EVF. So now they are going to eliminate the in-body motor drive in order to be able to make the camera body even cheaper to manufacture. The disadvantage that only lenses with in-lens motor are going to work. So legacy "screw mount" lenses are not going to work since they need an in-body motor in order to be able to auto focus.
 
That isn't a disadvantage to Sony, however, as it takes the cheap old Minolta lenses off the market for owners and forces them to buy Sony lenses. Possibly some Tamron or Sigma provide competition, although Sony has been doing a good job of making compatability problems for Sigma.
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  • lighter body
  • smaller body
  • easier and cheaper to manufacture
  • no need for backward compatibility so simpler to design
  • reduce mechanical stuff that Sony doesn't like -- electronics are better
  • reduce sales of used screw-drive Minolta, KM, Sony, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina, etc. lenses and increase sales of new Sony lenses with motors
  • Sony makes more money
and the lenses with motors are compatible with the NEX cameras as well (with an adapter of course). ;)

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  • Jon
 
The only thing I can think of so far is that the A37 might be on chip CDAF; it might not even have an SLT mirror…maybe. The SAM lenses possibly could be made to work with CDAF but not the screw drive lenses, with those it would be MF only, perhaps with focus peaking, anyway it’s all just conjecture of a rumour so only of marginal interest (for me) until confirmed…then I will be completely uninterested.
Greg
 
Yes, and it's only a rumor to boot ... but it's been something that has been suggested in the past and now that it's come up again, I could see Sony trying it, given the SAM lineup that's available to entry level buyers.
  • Dennis
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