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Any other M9 users considering switching to Fuji X-Pro 1?

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Nikkorforever said:
ekaton said:
disambiguated said:
The more I read about the Fuji X-Pro 1, the more attractive it looks. Autofocus, excellent low-light capabilities, greater dynamic color range than the M9, and a simple menu system accessed via the 'Q' button on the back of the body which is the equivalent of the Leica's simple, one-level-deep menu system:

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/hands-on-fuji-x-pro1-review-1051503?artc_pg=1

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/fuji-x-pro1-out-resolves-full-frame-sensors-1069742

I currently shoot with an M9 and the 28mm f/2.0, 35mm pre-ASPH f/2.0, 50mm f/2.0, and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. Fuji won't have a 35mm-equivalent lens out until next year, but I think I could live with its absence for a while.

Very interested in your thoughts, thanks!
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The more I read about it, the less attractive it looks. AF is mediocre and often hunting as per early testers and reviews, MF poorly implemented, (close to unusable?). Iso performance and DR look great, but files look too smooth and clinical to me, very digital. Considering 2012 technological standards an expensive camera with significant focusing deficiencies is a "no buy" for me. Maybe a next generation with FF and better AF and MF will be interesting.
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+1

All the reviews indicate excellent IQ but below par manual focus. No matter how good the files will be if you can't nail focus easily then is goes down the drain. I hope there are credible reviewers in the future that could prove me wrong. In the mean time, I'm sticking with my ancient 5N.

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Cheers, Reza
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My 5N is a great camera with Leica M lenses. Focus peaking really works.

Don't count on decent AF or MF from this generation of Fuji cameras. Hopefully Fuji will make rapid progress in this area. Look at what m4/3 and the Nikon V1 can do.

-Bill
 
starwolfy said:
Psss psss.... Don't start on this or people will come here mentioning rangefinder misalignement as a manfucaturing and reliability issue!!!! lol
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missalignment happens and sucks but it can be aligned/solved by service.
 
Well then that's just rude and hurtful, isn't it??

yeah, mine is out for delivery today. I will likely not be there to sign for it. HULK ANGRY

Are you saying you won't be inviting me to test the tools? No tool testing?
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RealXenuis said:
Wait...I'm starting to get the feeling that you've been making fun of me..
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Yup.

I should have a xp1 delivered with the 18mm in a few days. I like to test photo tools by myself.

M

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Ergonomically I found the xpro1 fine and well balanced, even though the grip is too shallow. The body is fairly large and I believe it could easily house a ff sensor.

Menu system is improved vs the X100, but I personally missed the latter's vertical movement by dial - I do not like the click-click-click navigation anymore.

Autofocus is fairly fast in average light, faster than the X100 but not as fast as the V1 or ep3. It's a "between G3 and 5n" affair, V1 being 3 times faster. A half second job, take or leave an additional 0.1 sec. Sometimes it refused to lock on low contrast subjects. I did not try manual since I knew what to expect.

Ovf is quite large, quasi m9-ish, resolution-wise the evf looked like industry standard stuff, like x100 or v1. Ovf / evf switching & overlaying is the best part of the camera, as it was for the x100. I still do not like the post focusing parallax adjustment.

Overall build quality is better than the x100, but body is not as "cold" as the m9 - not metal, probably.

The 18mm is a bulky affair, aperture ring has very "weak" stop detents and is not up to the overall quality, I believe.

The dealer thought I would have put my card in, I thought the camera had a card in, so no photos...

In the end I did not buy the xpro1. I will wait for more light over the weekend to run a photo test.

I do not think the xpro1 can substitute an m9, but can be a backup camera if autofocus is needed. If autofocus is not needed, probably a used m8 could be an even better backup, even though m8 iq is easily surpassed.

If one does not have an m9 and would like to have a "window finder" camera experience, the xpro1 might be tempting. I do not have any direct iq exposure, but web available early samples look promising.

A "full" xpro1 system can prove expensive, though. Potentially too expensive given the usual 1 year body turnaround time (and ff migration risk on lenses). My D700 "depreciated" 45% over 4 years, the xpro1 could depreciate the same % in just 1 year.

M

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Mauro

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Lu Heng said:
As for me, the main question is:

Is it going to be improvement to the final result - photographs, or it is just changing the toys to play with?

I definitely can say, that M9 is not limitation or obstruction on the way of getting the results I want in photography now. Even more - it makes me to improve my skills further. And it is possible with M9. Not like with automatic cameras, which are limited by "auto" of different kinds. Why switching then?

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Sergey
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All these new cameras can be switched off auto to Manual mode where you can control all the settings!

DaveOl
 
Thanks for the hands on report Mr. B, same as you I would pick a M8/M8.2 as a backup for M9 instead. The sluggishness of my X100 is not pleasant.

If the future XP1 goes full frame, hope Fujifilm could sort out a complete line of 'top' quality FF lens system, otherwise no high hopes; just an up market rangefinder gadget!

Cheers.
 
I own a M8 and a X100 for my wife.

I agree that the X100 is really sugglish but when it is operation-ready, it delivers impressive and easy-to-get results in low light / difficult light especially. I've found the white balance to be really nice under artificial light...which on pair with a good iso make this camera great for friends-at-the-pub night shots.

Once you are in the street and are going into serious shooting...the camera is to slow to react...Sometimes I put the viewfinder to my eye...and all I see is a blackout...and I'm here waiting for the camera to wake up....and allow me to take see and then take the shot. It is really annoying and I lose a lot of shots because of this...that is mainly the reason why this camera always stays with my wife and I did not buy one for myself. (and I don't talk here about the AF...that...which is slightly slow...but worse than anything else is really really really STUPID...I need to click 4-5 times sometimes on the shutter to make it being able to focus the right subject of the scene.)

Overall...I feel X100 is great for what it's good ad: low and artifical light in a cary everywhere light package.
 
Im with you 105% Starwolfy....
starwolfy said:
I own a M8 and a X100 for my wife.

I agree that the X100 is really sugglish but when it is operation-ready, it delivers impressive and easy-to-get results in low light / difficult light especially. I've found the white balance to be really nice under artificial light...which on pair with a good iso make this camera great for friends-at-the-pub night shots.

Once you are in the street and are going into serious shooting...the camera is to slow to react...Sometimes I put the viewfinder to my eye...and all I see is a blackout...and I'm here waiting for the camera to wake up....and allow me to take see and then take the shot. It is really annoying and I lose a lot of shots because of this...that is mainly the reason why this camera always stays with my wife and I did not buy one for myself. (and I don't talk here about the AF...that...which is slightly slow...but worse than anything else is really really really STUPID...I need to click 4-5 times sometimes on the shutter to make it being able to focus the right subject of the scene.)

Overall...I feel X100 is great for what it's good ad: low and artifical light in a cary everywhere light package.
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Firstly I did not take the photos. Secondly the photos are good samples to show how the two perform under real life situation for street photography. How is it pointless? Or do you need a tripod side by side studio comparison to tell which camera you want to get? I agree with the author the M9 has a better output but for the price the Fuji is not half bad at all. The comparison was not an apples to apples comparison to begin with anyway.
 
I had made up my mind on getting an M9 later this year, but after reading this review, I'm having second thoughts-
http://www.f8photography.com.hk/blog/2012/03/hyperprime1/

Maybe manually focusing the fuji lenses is sub par, but with the SLR Magic 50mm f.95 m- mount, the author prefers the Fuji over Leica, especially in low light, due to the illuminated evf. And to me...that's kind of a big deal.

Outstanding image quality, ISO performance, price and now with confirmation that manually focusing(m mount lenses) is not only good, but better than Leica(in the author's opinion, who, happens to be a Leica guy). I think once that last tidbit gets around... People might think twice about writing the xpro-1 off so quickly.

I know I have. In fact that article alone has me ready to pre-order it, along with a kipon Contax g & Leica m adaptor. Especially considering I can get the xpro-1 body, fuji 35mm f1.4 lens, SLR MAGIC 50mm f.95 lens and a Contax g zeiss 90mm f2.8 lens(which I already have) for less than an M9 body.

I'm going to wait till I hear more feedback about using M-mount(and others) lenses on the

xp-1 before I pull the trigger, but at this point I know which one I'm leaning towards.
My 2cents
 
samhain said:
I had made up my mind on getting an M9 later this year, but after reading this review, I'm having second thoughts-
http://www.f8photography.com.hk/blog/2012/03/hyperprime1/

Maybe manually focusing the fuji lenses is sub par, but with the SLR Magic 50mm f.95 m- mount, the author prefers the Fuji over Leica, especially in low light, due to the illuminated evf. And to me...that's kind of a big deal.

Outstanding image quality, ISO performance, price and now with confirmation that manually focusing(m mount lenses) is not only good, but better than Leica(in the author's opinion, who, happens to be a Leica guy). I think once that last tidbit gets around... People might think twice about writing the xpro-1 off so quickly.

I know I have. In fact that article alone has me ready to pre-order it, along with a kipon Contax g & Leica m adaptor. Especially considering I can get the xpro-1 body, fuji 35mm f1.4 lens, SLR MAGIC 50mm f.95 lens and a Contax g zeiss 90mm f2.8 lens(which I already have) for less than an M9 body.

I'm going to wait till I hear more feedback about using M-mount(and others) lenses on the

xp-1 before I pull the trigger, but at this point I know which one I'm leaning towards.
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+1

We need more insights on how easy one manually focus on the XP-1. From a NEX user pov, the no AA filter and the new Fuji sensor does appeal. After the MF debate settles in then it comes to using wide M-mount lenses, as in will the corner performance suffer or not.

Personally if you already have funds for a M9, why not wait until May for the Leica announcement.

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Cheers, Reza
 
Neil said:
Next on the list a Toyota Prius instead of a Porsche because it gets me from A-B...
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No way. More like a 2011 Porsche 911 instead of a 1965 Porsche 911. The Leica is sexy, the fuji is sexy. One just happens to have more features, better performance and more reasonable to obtain.

Appearance wise, The m9 is a thing of beauty, but the xpro-1 is no dog. I'd say it's better looking than any other digital camera in production.
All subjective of course...
 
the fuji is APS-C. there is therefore no comparion

the pro-1 is not an amazing build to be honest and the lenses feel so cheap
I doubt for the price they charge that the lenses will be a patch on Leica
disambiguated said:
The more I read about the Fuji X-Pro 1, the more attractive it looks. Autofocus, excellent low-light capabilities, greater dynamic color range than the M9, and a simple menu system accessed via the 'Q' button on the back of the body which is the equivalent of the Leica's simple, one-level-deep menu system:

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/hands-on-fuji-x-pro1-review-1051503?artc_pg=1

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/fuji-x-pro1-out-resolves-full-frame-sensors-1069742

I currently shoot with an M9 and the 28mm f/2.0, 35mm pre-ASPH f/2.0, 50mm f/2.0, and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. Fuji won't have a 35mm-equivalent lens out until next year, but I think I could live with its absence for a while.

Very interested in your thoughts, thanks!
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