photoshop manages colors vs printer manages colors

I just bought a new canon pixma mg 6220..

last night, I printed a photo (within ps elements 10) with the setting:
printer manages colors..also chose the matching paper from the list.

and then I printed the same photo with the new settings:

"ps elements manages colors" and then I have selected my canon mg 6220's profile from the list and the matching paper..
And I have also disabled the color management in the printer dialog..

Then I have compared these 2 printouts (the photopapers I used for both are the same) and surprised to see that they both are exactly equal..no difference at all..

how can this be possible?
what is the purpose of selecting "photoshop manages colors" then?

It is entirely possible.

You are still choosing the same paper profile when you are letting Elements to manage color and you turn off color management by the printer in the Canon Driver dialogue. When you use the Printer to manage color you are turning off color managment in Elements but still using the same profile when you choose the paper in the Canon driver.

Sometimes there might be a slight difference in rendition but it should pretty much be the same.

It gets interesting when you being to use other manufacture's papers and their ICC profiles or ones you produce.

I agree. If Canon is like Epson, when you use OEM paper & inks, the printer driver should do a very good job of controling the color managment. If you use 3rd party ink or paper ICC profiles may be required. Then you should let the printing program manage the color through an ICC profile.
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Kevin

As you noted, the two color management techniques should give the same results. The primary reason for selecting Photoshop Manages Color would be if you wanted to print using a third-party paper or inkset for which the printer profile would not be valid, and you had a valid profile for that paper ink combination, either from the paper/ink mfgr or a custom profile.

BTW, congratulations for learning how to turn off color management using the Canon plug-in. Unlike Epson, it is as if Canon wanted to make it hard for you.

Thank you for your replies.

If I got it right, everytime I use my hp and epson glossy photo papers on my cannon printer, I should select "photoshop elements manages colors" and then choose hp or epson glossy from the list (if they exist,I am not sure?))..

Or should I first install hp or epsons's glossy paper .icc ?
and if yes, where can I find them?
are there icc's for every type of paper?

Being a Canon printer, you likely have a selection of Canon papers in your driver selection. You may also have .icc or .icm profiles for all or most of the Canon papers and your printer. However, if you use HP or Epson papers in your Canon printer, you ideally will need a custom profile for your model Canon printer and the HP paper, and another for your Canon printer and Epson paper. While you may find color profiles for both the HP & Epson papers, almost certainly they will be for those papers used in respectively, HP & Epson printers.

How different a custom profile will be from the "generic" HP or Epson profile depends upon the ink and printer characteristics. If the HP or Epson inks are similar formulation to the Canon inks, and how the ink is sprayed onto the paper is also similar to the Canon, you should get good results using the generic profiles. However, that is a big IF. In all likelihood, you will get noticeably better results with a custom profile that is created for your printer with the HP or Epson paper.

Bob Collette said:

How different a custom profile will be from the "generic" HP or Epson profile depends upon the ink and printer characteristics. If the HP or Epson inks are similar formulation to the Canon inks, and how the ink is sprayed onto the paper is also similar to the Canon, you should get good results using the generic profiles. However, that is a big IF. In all likelihood, you will get noticeably better results with a custom profile that is created for your printer with the HP or Epson paper

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Hi Bob, thanks for your reply, now it (this printer profile issue) is more clear to me..

But now the question is how can I create a custom profile that is created for my Canon printer with the HP or Epson paper?
Is there a website which explains this?

Thank you again,
Melih

You have two choices for creating a custom profile for your printer/ink/paper.

1) You can purchase a profiling kit which includes a spectrophotometer and the software necessary for building a custom profile. Unfortunately, the profiling kits start at around $500 and go up from there. The X-Rite ColorMunki is a popular profiling tool.

2) There are profiling services that will build a custom printer profile for you. You download a characterization target (image) that you print with color management turned off. After letting the print dry thoroughly, you mail the print to the profiling service. Once they receive the print, they measure it using their spectrophotometer and build a custom profile and email it to you. While the prices vary depending upon the service, most are in the $50/profile range. If you only have a couple of papers that you use, this is the more economical alternative (you need a custom profile for each printer/ink/paper combination).

Thank you Bob, great information..

I think that it's only in this case that the two print qualities are the same. If you change specific parameters and settings, you should be able to see at least slight differences between the print outputs.

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“ You don’t take a photograph, you make it" - Ansel Adams
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The two versions should be similar most of the time. Photoshop does have black point compensation which is useful when printing images with a lot of dynamic range.
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Leon
http://pws.prserv.net/leons_pics/landscapes.htm

Canon's profile naming is opaque. Picking the right one may require a blindfold, a dart board, and many tries.

ocean76 said:

I just bought a new canon pixma mg 6220..

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Same here. But it has been total guesswork so far. When I let the printer manage things the prints match my calibrated monitor pretty well for a printer in this price range. The nice part is that I can select things that are in human language (names of papers) instead of license plates (Canon's icc profiles).