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Any other M9 users considering switching to Fuji X-Pro 1?

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it seems that also the XP1, like its predecessor X100, is an "unfinished" product which will ask early adopters for patience and need time to tune up - eventually to be "abandoned" for another half hearted successor. Here some "cherries":

Autofocus: same X100 performance, i.e. 1 sec to lock in good light - too slow for me;

Manual focus: same X100 implementation, with no automatic viewfinder parallax correction (half press needed to adjust parallax in either auto & manual focus);

Aperture "chatter": aperture blades keep adjusting in relation to light, and are very noisy (Mr Reid reports that aperture noise can be heard by subjects at normal shooting ranges). Like the X100, since the XP1 does not keep aperture to the widest setting, manual focus by eye is impossible (the Leica X1 corrected that in firmware upgrade, the X100 I do not know having sold it shortly after purchase);

Small sensor prevented Fuji to offer a "true wideangle" option, nor any wa has been roadmapped yet.

I am stopping here and suggest to subscribe to reidreviews if anyone is interested in reading the full review. The above points were enough for me to de-prioritise the XP1, however sexy it would look.

Why Fuji actes like that is beyond my comprehension. Savage cost cutting, perhaps.

Best regards,

M

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This is kind of goofy.
Mauro.B said:
it seems that also the XP1, like its predecessor X100, is an "unfinished" product which will ask early adopters for patience and need time to tune up - eventually to be "abandoned" for another half hearted successor. Here some "cherries":

Autofocus: same X100 performance, i.e. 1 sec to lock in good light - too slow for me;

Manual focus: same X100 implementation, with no automatic viewfinder parallax correction (half press needed to adjust parallax in either auto & manual focus);

Aperture "chatter": aperture blades keep adjusting in relation to light, and are very noisy (Mr Reid reports that aperture noise can be heard by subjects at normal shooting ranges). Like the X100, since the XP1 does not keep aperture to the widest setting, manual focus by eye is impossible (the Leica X1 corrected that in firmware upgrade, the X100 I do not know having sold it shortly after purchase);

Small sensor prevented Fuji to offer a "true wideangle" option, nor any wa has been roadmapped yet.

I am stopping here and suggest to subscribe to reidreviews if anyone is interested in reading the full review. The above points were enough for me to de-prioritise the XP1, however sexy it would look.

Why Fuji actes like that is beyond my comprehension. Savage cost cutting, perhaps.

Best regards,

M

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Not that I need to articulate why, cause I'm sure you know, but....I mean, it's one review, on a paid review site. I'm not saying he doesn't have valid points or opinions, but there are about 32 other reviews out there that contradict what he's saying. Again, perhaps they're wrong, or perhaps there's more truth somewhere in the middle, but...
 
they're just too different

while i have no experience with the XPro1 but i've used everything from EP1, GF1, GXR, NEX5, X100, X1 to even 645D but nothing could replace the M9

it's not just about the technicalities; it's about the way the M9 "blends" with your photographic style. the closest thing to the M9 is the M8 (obviously) and the RD1s.

from what i've read and seen about the XPro1, it's just another rangerfinder-style aps-c DC with all the bells and whistles. i'm sure it's an excellent camera, but it will not be a M9 replacement. if the XPro1 replaces the M9 for you then the M9 is not really for you. that's my honest opinion.

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disambiguated said:
The review states that the auto-focus is far from 'lousy'. And manual focus still works, as well.
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No. The reviews show sluggish AF, which is lousy.

MF on the Fuji will be lousy as well when compared to the M9.

Maybe it is good enough for your needs however. That's not a put-down, just an acknowledgement that needs differ among different photographers.

-Bill
 
Mauro.B said:
it seems that also the XP1, like its predecessor X100, is an "unfinished" product which will ask early adopters for patience and need time to tune up - eventually to be "abandoned" for another half hearted successor. Here some "cherries":

Autofocus: same X100 performance, i.e. 1 sec to lock in good light - too slow for me;

Manual focus: same X100 implementation, with no automatic viewfinder parallax correction (half press needed to adjust parallax in either auto & manual focus);

Aperture "chatter": aperture blades keep adjusting in relation to light, and are very noisy (Mr Reid reports that aperture noise can be heard by subjects at normal shooting ranges). Like the X100, since the XP1 does not keep aperture to the widest setting, manual focus by eye is impossible (the Leica X1 corrected that in firmware upgrade, the X100 I do not know having sold it shortly after purchase);

Small sensor prevented Fuji to offer a "true wideangle" option, nor any wa has been roadmapped yet.

I am stopping here and suggest to subscribe to reidreviews if anyone is interested in reading the full review. The above points were enough for me to de-prioritise the XP1, however sexy it would look.

Why Fuji actes like that is beyond my comprehension. Savage cost cutting, perhaps.

Best regards,

M

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Mauro

http://www.maurobenphoto.com
http://www.romephotographyworkshop.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mbenphoto
http://www.24per36.com/fotografi/mauro-benedetti
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SR's reviews are thorough and accurate. He can charge a subscription fee for a reason.

The crummy AF and MF alone keeps me away from the XPro1 but I'm sure it will be adequate for some users.

-Bill
 
I bought an X100 and sold after 2 firmware releases. I did not sold the X100 due to bad firmware, but since it did not deliver: lens was not as good as expected, autofocus was slow, manual focus at its best was funny, low light performance was optically poor (low light, not high iso).

Other than that, the X100 was a good camera...

Sean Reid review was spot on on describing the camera. His reviews are maybe too long, but usually very detailed. He deserves to be paid for that.

I do not know anything about you, and you do not post photos. Maybe you are just "another voice" out of this forum, or maybe a talented photographer. It's difficult to understand why you are "pre-waking" the XPro1 enthusiasm, particularly when ignited by free bloggers. Very few things are really for free.

I always have the opportunity to test any equipment for myself. Or I make sure to get the earliest delivery of new models as to be able to sell to "enthusiast" if they do not deliver. Like I did with the X100, which I sold after 3 weeks to an "overenthusiast" which might have looked and thought just like you.

Believe me, the XPro1 will be another competent and expensive digital camera, it will need some firmware fixes, it will be short on lenses, it will be superseded and forgot in early 2013. Usual stuff, nothing to get excited upon.

The M9 killer it will not be: small sensor, slow operations, no access to Leica glass the proper way (Nex 7 docet).

Eventually, the M9 will be obsolete as a digital camera - and not only because of M10.

But until any "digital manufacturer" releases a full frame compact with a microlenses array that allows for Leica lenses usage (without green - magenta gradients), in other word a "digital M clone", discussions like this will go on and on.

In the meanwhile, I would advise to shoot, post some photos, and turn to more interesting discussions.

And no, I do not shoot dogs. But I bet your spine would had chilled if you were around me in some assignments.

M
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Not that I need to articulate why, cause I'm sure you know, but....I mean, it's one review, on a paid review site. I'm not saying he doesn't have valid points or opinions, but there are about 32 other reviews out there that contradict what he's saying. Again, perhaps they're wrong, or perhaps there's more truth somewhere in the middle, but...
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disambiguated said:
That's what's so surprising - if you read through the review, it does appear that the IQ and the noise levels are noticeably superior to those of the M9, not at all what one expects from a smaller sensor! But apparently the sensor technology Fuji are using is quite a bit different from that which one sees on other digital cameras, including the M9.

My original thought was that the X-Pro 1 looked like a good beginning, and that if Fuji came out with a full-frame version later on, I might consider switching then. But after reading the initial reviews, I'm beginning to wonder if the sensor-size difference just doesn't matter.
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It's already been quite a long time since the M9 sensor has been bested regarding high-ISO noise and dynamic range by APSC sensors. Sensor size still matters though for those two things, especially when comparing print sizes (and not 100% pixel peeping). It's just that in these two areas the M9 sensor is lagging behind. It may still retain certain qualities (some think for example that Kodak CCDs produce very good colours), and obviously it allows for shallower DOF for an identical aperture.

On the other hand I'm not quite sure the Fuji is a direct competitor to the M9, mostly because it's an AF camera, which brings several advantages and drawbacks the M9 doesn't have. For example, as somebody pointed, the frame lines are adjusted after focus, not during focusing, and because the lenses aren't made like the Olympus 12mm f2, zone focusing isn't as easy as with an M.
 
Mauro.B said:
Why Fuji actes like that is beyond my comprehension. Savage cost cutting, perhaps.
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This is precisely the sort of expert guidance I was looking for - thanks so much!

I need to go renew my subscription to Sean Reid's site, thanks for bringing him up!
 
polarabbit said:
if the XPro1 replaces the M9 for you then the M9 is not really for you. that's my honest opinion.
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This is a really good insight, thanks!

I really love the M9. Unlike most of the folks here, I never had any film experience - I started mucking about with the Canon 20D, then went to a 30D and a 50D. I had L-series glass, but I found that a) I didn't really understand the basics of photography, b) I was bewildered by all the camera menu options, and c) I ended up resenting hauling around all that big, heavy gear.

So, I started looking around, and decided that the Leica was the best option for me - simple, small, great build quality, and the best lenses in the world. I bought the M8.2, then the M9 came out, so I sold the M8.2 and have been using the M9 since.

The only photos I've ever taken which were even halfway-decent were taken with the M9. It was using the M9 that finally made the triangular relationship between exposure, shutter speed, and aperture 'click' in my head. I love my M9, and have added a ThumbsUp! and a Bip to reclaim a couple of extra stops. The few photos I've taken which I'm really proud of were taken with the M9.

Four things about the M9 bother me - no auto-focus, no weather-sealing, slow fps, and sub-par low-light performance (though it isn't nearly as bad as many folks claim). Even with manual focus, I've been able to capture some moving/running subjects, but it would be nice to have the option for auto-focus.

You and a couple of other folks who took the time to give sensible advice in this thread have convinced me to wait until I can get my hands on a Fuji and play with it, instead of blindly pre-ordering - thank you so much! I'm still interested enough in the X-Pro 1 to take a look at it, but am much more rational in my thinking, heh.

Much appreciated!
 
Actually...I'm an M8 user, not an M9...but I am seriously considering making the swap. I could sell my M8 and use the money to buy the X-Pro1 with the 35mm, and then use my Leica/Zeiss lenses on it with an adapter.

The thing that stops me from doing it is moving backwards to a 1.5x sensor...it's bad enough that the M8 is 1.33x.
 
why did you bother buying M9 in the first place?
disambiguated said:
The more I read about the Fuji X-Pro 1, the more attractive it looks. Autofocus, excellent low-light capabilities, greater dynamic color range than the M9, and a simple menu system accessed via the 'Q' button on the back of the body which is the equivalent of the Leica's simple, one-level-deep menu system:

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/hands-on-fuji-x-pro1-review-1051503?artc_pg=1

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/fuji-x-pro1-out-resolves-full-frame-sensors-1069742

I currently shoot with an M9 and the 28mm f/2.0, 35mm pre-ASPH f/2.0, 50mm f/2.0, and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. Fuji won't have a 35mm-equivalent lens out until next year, but I think I could live with its absence for a while.

Very interested in your thoughts, thanks!
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abolit said:
why did you bother buying M9 in the first place?
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I'm going to guess and say because the X-Pro1 didn't exist when he got his M9...
 
I am looking for a used good condition 90mm Summicron-M APO. Anyone switching, selling this lens for a price I can't resist? Please PM me. :)
disambiguated said:
The more I read about the Fuji X-Pro 1, the more attractive it looks. Autofocus, excellent low-light capabilities, greater dynamic color range than the M9, and a simple menu system accessed via the 'Q' button on the back of the body which is the equivalent of the Leica's simple, one-level-deep menu system:

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/hands-on-fuji-x-pro1-review-1051503?artc_pg=1

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/fuji-x-pro1-out-resolves-full-frame-sensors-1069742

I currently shoot with an M9 and the 28mm f/2.0, 35mm pre-ASPH f/2.0, 50mm f/2.0, and 90mm f/2.0 lenses. Fuji won't have a 35mm-equivalent lens out until next year, but I think I could live with its absence for a while.

Very interested in your thoughts, thanks!
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I had this camera in my hands some weeks ago, just for some minutes.
In short: the viewfinder is FANTASTIC ! Outstanding !
The camera is nice looking, but less impressive built than the M9.

2 big problems: only a small sensor with repercussions for the DOF, and most of all: there is NO LEICA GLASS on it. (and only 3 lenses)

Ten years later (or less) when FF will become more common, the lenses will not have any value anymore. In the same time, all your leica lenses continue to be usefull, appreciated and they keep their value.

Now, the same camera with the same Viewfinder, with a FF sensor and a M-mount,
that is where i am waiting for.
 
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