"Sony: developing DSLTs only"

dka91 · Mar 10, 2012

Fair enough, thats certainly possible.

Infact I said in another...that I forgot that sony could simply make A mount mirrorless and keep that as the big brother line..and NEX as the little brother line.

Of course Ill say again..these are only my personal thoughts...nobody knows for sure what Sony will do...and it largely depends on what is profitable and what the market demands.

sye46 · Mar 10, 2012

LowRyter said:
I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.

You should try it before passing judgement. Seriously

twotoes · Mar 10, 2012

Hi, 1st post. I have no DSLR or SLT yet, still in Fujichrome. Reading the various forums though to see the pitfalls and positive new technology in digital.

I was in Edmonton, Alberta last November, looked in the Sony store at WEM and noticed the a850, a65 and Sony 70-400. Looked through a850 with big gorgeous lens at some people passing by outside store, back-lit and was not impressed, me being used to Maxxum 7 and Sigma 70-210 f2,8. Put lens on a65 for curiosity from all the buzz, super sharp focus on very pretty lady walking by, I had to lean against a pole in order to not fall over, I was impressed. It was like daylight, unbelievable info in viewfinder and here are my 5 cents:
pros +++++++++++
cons .................................I am thinking.
The good looking subject might have helped.

But I remember purchasing my 1st SLR, Maxxum 7000i, the uproar by pros over the gimmickry of Auto Focus, where are the whiners now?
I live in a Yurt, easy to think outside of a box.
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fanboy6 · Mar 10, 2012

u007 said:
It just wasn't comfortable to use. I heard so many positive reviews about it, but I really wasn't convinced when I tried it for myself. The colours weren't accurate to the image captured. Nor was the dynamic range. I thought that was the whole POINT of the EVF?

That's what the preview button is for, and it will also apply many of the custom settings as well.

seilerbird666 · Mar 10, 2012

Kriekira said:
I need to see instantaneous and subtle changes in light/color.

Why?

Kriekira said:
I need to see a much broader, truer (more neutral), and more smoothly graded gamut of color.

Why?

Kriekira said:
I need to be able to look through the viewfinder for minutes at a time without fatigue.

I have not had that problem.

Kriekira said:
I need to be visually attached to the world I see. I don't get that visual attachment with any EVF I've tried.

Huh?

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sye46 · Mar 10, 2012

LowRyter said:
I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.

Sony A77 + F1 racing. Read the review and judge for yourself.

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-part-1/

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-%E2%80%93-part-2/

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-%E2%80%93-part-3/

topcon2 · Mar 10, 2012

dka91 said:
Dude...shut up. You're totally overreacting.

I own a Sony Alpha Camera and quite a few lenses....Im no troll or damn advocate for NEX, Im just looking at what Sony does and Im giving my thoughts...I DID NOT say they would definately do it, I said I can SEE THEM doing it...meaning its not definate, just a possibility (and entirely my opnion) and most likely not in the near future anyway.

There are plenty of debates going on in the Sony SLR forum. Is OVF better than EVF? How important is video? How much does SLT degrade the image, and is it worth the tradeoff for image stability and the other benefits of EVF? Is full frame only relevant to a niche market of professionals? Should a full frame Sony SLT be large like the F4, and sell for more than $3K? And so on...different strokes for different folks.

But this forum is comprised of owners and potential owners of Alpha (nee KM, Minolta, Dynax, Maxxum), many with sizable investments in their lenses and cameras. So, when someone posts their hypothesis here in the Alpha forum, that Sony will phase out Alpha cameras in favor of NEX, with no qualifier that this would be a very bad idea, and with no basis in fact that Sony intends to do this, when they've announced their intentions to do the opposite, I consider this to be destructive to the interests of Alpha owners, deliberately provocative, and to meet the classic definition of trolling.

I calls em the way I sees em -- and no, I won't "shut up".

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TC

Fraxinus excelsior · Mar 10, 2012

WaltKnapp said:
sye46 said:

So the OVF gives you the EXACT colors and dynamic range that you would find in the final image?

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It gives the exact colors and dynamic range of the subject you are trying to reproduce in a photo.

EVF does not give you the exact colors and dynamic range of the subject, nor does it give you the exact colors and dynamic range of the photo you are trying to produce. It's off in between.

Wallt.

The OVF does not give you the Exact colors and dynamic range of the real scene since the light you see in the OVF come through the lens which darkens the image, and shifts the colors. You should use your eyes and study the scene before setting the camera before your eyes. I welcome the EVF.

D

JusLookN · Mar 10, 2012

Lowryter, I understand your needs for what you shoot. But reviews of the A-77 are not going to convince you of whether it meets your needs. You are gonna have to try it for your self and see if you can make the adjustments needed for the type of shooting you do. I applaud Nordstjernen for stating that he had to use a different technique for his A-77(panning) in getting used to the EVF effect. Just because someone else made the adjustments to get what they shoot with the camera is not going to apply to you. You need to try the A-77. If you can make it work for you fine. It is a hell of a camera. I have the A-580 for shooting the type of shots you have in mind(my guess) and for me even it falls short of what I need it to do as a sports camera(won't fire until focus is locked). It's just not as adjustable as my A-700 for the type of shooting I do. I'm not against EVFs, I just don't want one right now. I enjoy the challenge of of making the shot more than knowing exactly how it will come out! When I say this, I mean I know that the settings are correct without having to see how it will look like in the viewfinder. Been at this hobby for a long time. That's where I get my enjoyment of photography shooting sports. YMMV Good luck in deciding!

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I'm kinda partial to video, but I'm hangin!

Fraxinus excelsior · Mar 10, 2012

sye46 said:
why do Sony FF owners think they are so macho or some sort of photo genius that wants a "pure" photographic machine with no video or high FPS, or gimmicks and frills and gadgets?

did I miss the innovation train somewhere? does CaNikon not put video in their DSLRs? Does CaNikon not include in camera editing? The new Canon 5D3 has auto HDR, face detection, and live view.

But when Sony puts it in their cameras... it's a gimmick. I think the Sony A850/A900 are just in denial because they don't have any of these cool features.

Can't believe you talk about every a900 owner like they hate EVF's video, high fåps as you call it. I have a900 since 2009 and don't mind the EVF or other gimmicks as you call them.

D

Lucas_ · Mar 10, 2012

JusLookN said:
Lowryter, I understand your needs for what you shoot. But reviews of the A-77 are not going to convince you of whether it meets your needs. You are gonna have to try it for your self and see if you can make the adjustments needed for the type of shooting you do. ....................................................................... I enjoy the challenge of of making the shot more than knowing exactly how it will come out! When I say this, I mean I know that the settings are correct without having to see how it will look like in the viewfinder . Been at this hobby for a long time. That's where I get my enjoyment of photography shooting sports. YMMV Good luck in deciding!

....

Glenn, I'm glad I read your post among so many others, both negative and positive! Your phrase I underlined somehow the way I work, IMO the viewfinder is actually a tool to allow me frame the subject, focus and take the shot! If it comes with

camera settings info, that's welcome too! Since I almost only shoot in RAW mode, the post processing is where I'll "make" the image the way I want it ( I really don't know what I enjoy most: taking the shot or processing it.... ).

... Lucas
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dka91 · Mar 10, 2012

No you are overreacting over a moot point, and I wonder if you are bothering to read my post before blasting off.

You actually sound arrogant by instantly sayng Im a troll, that does not look good on the forums. I only shared an opinion, yet you instantly call it absurd and proceed to insult me by claiming im a troll, when I have done none of that, and I am certainly no troll.

I could care less how you feel about my opinion, Im not here preaching or forcing my views on anybody and I never once...not once did I ever mention that the NEX would definately take over, I said I see it being the future = it may, what I see is entirely different from what someone else sees.

danny006 · Mar 10, 2012

LowRyter said:
I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.

The A77 AF speed is awesome, it turns even slow lenses in speed demons. And at 12fps the AF changes instantly between shots, really amazing.

For panning the slide show effect is very disturbing, I must admit. You can always go to 3fps where this effect doesn't show up. Or shoot at 12fps where it is more manageable( 8fps seems to be the worst).

6132expd · Mar 10, 2012

sye46 said:
LowRyter said:

I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.

Click to expand...

Sony A77 + F1 racing. Read the review and judge for yourself.

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-part-1/

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-%E2%80%93-part-2/

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-%E2%80%93-part-3/

Thanks for the link. Sure sounds like the A77 can perform at motorsports... from the review:

So to finish up and complete my review of the camera.

It is an awesome camera, with fantastic features, a huge sensor, really good battery life and really high quality video. (I will post up my video shot with this camera when I have finished the edit, keep an eye of for that post)

For someone that is wanting to get into Motorsport Photography, this camera is perfect.

With the high frame rate, autofocus and focus tracking. And when fitted with either the 70-200mm f2.8 or the 70-400mm F4-5.6 and used with the smart teleconverter it is a powerful kit to use at the track.

For the Landscape/Travel photographer the A77 is an extremely good value for money camera as I don’t know many other camera’s that are under $2k that have a 24mpx sensor and these sort of features and is so easy to travel with.

Also the files that come of the camera, even the JPG’s, are so good that the images need very little work in photoshop and are virtually read to go out of camera.

LowRyter · Mar 11, 2012

sye46 said:
LowRyter said:

I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.

Click to expand...

Sony A77 + F1 racing. Read the review and judge for yourself.

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/08/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-part-1/

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/09/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-%E2%80%93-part-2/

http://joelstrick.wordpress.com/2011/11/10/singapore-f1-grand-prix-sony-a77-dslr-review-%E2%80%93-part-3/

thanks for posting some nice shots, may I ask what your success rate for the number of photos taken -not compostion which is subjective, but the rate for highly focussed shots and farmed shots?

LowRyter · Mar 11, 2012

that's my concern. I'd hate to spend the cash and feel that way

danny006 said:
LowRyter said:

I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.

Click to expand...

The A77 AF speed is awesome, it turns even slow lenses in speed demons. And at 12fps the AF changes instantly between shots, really amazing.

For panning the slide show effect is very disturbing, I must admit. You can always go to 3fps where this effect doesn't show up. Or shoot at 12fps where it is more manageable( 8fps seems to be the worst).

TristanW · Mar 12, 2012

+1

I owned a850. (started from a100), before i tried a77. I was very hesitated with EVF.

But after trying a77 for twice in SONY store (in door), i can accept that, especially for easy-adjust/accurate expose & WB.

But i just wish the EVF in a99 can be better in turns of battery/picture reproduce. Someone mentioned the EVF performance outdoors & hi-FPS, not tried yet.

Fraxinus excelsior said:
sye46 said:

why do Sony FF owners think they are so macho or some sort of photo genius that wants a "pure" photographic machine with no video or high FPS, or gimmicks and frills and gadgets?

did I miss the innovation train somewhere? does CaNikon not put video in their DSLRs? Does CaNikon not include in camera editing? The new Canon 5D3 has auto HDR, face detection, and live view.

But when Sony puts it in their cameras... it's a gimmick. I think the Sony A850/A900 are just in denial because they don't have any of these cool features.

Click to expand...

Can't believe you talk about every a900 owner like they hate EVF's video, high fåps as you call it. I have a900 since 2009 and don't mind the EVF or other gimmicks as you call them.

D

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OntarioJohn · Mar 13, 2012

I could go and spout about all the cameras I used and owned. I could rant about this and that. BUT.

My camera was an a100, everyone loved my pics, not just Mom who's nearing 90.

I got an A77, and new glass. I'm in love again. I take great pics. People love them even more.

I'm happy.

So what you say?

That's the bottom line. Hide the info and run comparisons. I get a huge number of keeper shots. I'm filling hard drives.

But most of all, I'm having fun and being creative.

That's a combination of things but the viewfinder is part of why.

Sorry if you don't have the stuff, especially if you cannot afford it, which would suck, but I've been there for decades and now for MORE FUN!

mike_2008 · Mar 13, 2012

OntarioJohn said:
I could go and spout about all the cameras I used and owned. I could rant about this and that. BUT.

My camera was an a100, everyone loved my pics, not just Mom who's nearing 90.

I got an A77, and new glass. I'm in love again. I take great pics. People love them even more.

I'm happy.

So what you say?

That's the bottom line. Hide the info and run comparisons. I get a huge number of keeper shots. I'm filling hard drives.

But most of all, I'm having fun and being creative.

That's a combination of things but the viewfinder is part of why.

Sorry if you don't have the stuff, especially if you cannot afford it, which would suck, but I've been there for decades and now for MORE FUN!

I fully agree. So much of the time people here get hung up on purely abstract things, relative advantages and disadvantages, when all that really matters is getting creative shots that people like. Sometimes it seems there are many here who get terribly upset about half a stop of noise when all their doing is taking pretty average everyday shots...

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dpreviewprov · Mar 13, 2012

Amateur Photographer website (www.amateurphotographer.co.uk):

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/Sony_unleashes_Alpha_57_and_clarifies_DSLR_strategy_update_news_311776.html

World Peace said:
I am very intrigue to try the Sony SLT FF line-up after reading positive reviews of the EVF technology and seeing excellent samples of the A77.

http://www.techradar.com/news/photography-video-capture/cameras/sony-developing-dslts-only-1070088

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