"Sony: developing DSLTs only"

I wasn't commenting on EVF vs OVF. But that I constantly hear comments from the FF group that tries to justify owning a "pure photographic machine" and that having less features makes you more of a pro.

PJR_68 said:

Why can't you understand that the EVF does not suit everyone. Otherwise the A77 is a decent camera.

Put me down as another who dislikes the evf and I will not buy another sony camera if that is all they are going to offer.

Then the vultures can have my lenses too.

sye46 said:

why do Sony FF owners think they are so macho or some sort of photo genius that wants a "pure" photographic machine with no video or high FPS, or gimmicks and frills and gadgets?

did I miss the innovation train somewhere? does CaNikon not put video in their DSLRs? Does CaNikon not include in camera editing? The new Canon 5D3 has auto HDR, face detection, and live view.

But when Sony puts it in their cameras... it's a gimmick. I think the Sony A850/A900 are just in denial because they don't have any of these cool features.

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sye46 said:

So the OVF gives you the EXACT colors and dynamic range that you would find in the final image?

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It gives the exact colors and dynamic range of the subject you are trying to reproduce in a photo.

EVF does not give you the exact colors and dynamic range of the subject, nor does it give you the exact colors and dynamic range of the photo you are trying to produce. It's off in between.

sye46 said:

I wasn't commenting on EVF vs OVF. But that I constantly hear comments from the FF group that tries to justify owning a "pure photographic machine" and that having less features makes you more of a pro.

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And when EVF folks get the only choice Sony is offering, they will suddenly be virtuous and not do exactly the same thing? I don't think so, we already have enough a77 folks who think they are god's gifts to pro photography just because they bought the camera to replace their fixed lens camera. Instant Pros!

Having just moved from the 77 to 900...

I personally MUCH prefer the ergo of the 900. I find it to be almost a perfect still camera for landscapes. Thought I would miss live view but I don't. And surprisingly I can get sharp pictures even with that slamming mirror I know it's not the latest greatest tech but the image quality is excellent. I wish I had bought this years ago instead of waiting for the elusive a700 replacement.

I found the 77 to be a really frustrating camera to use, mainly because the EVF and the sluggishness of the interface.

I really think if you put them side by side, most would agree the 900 is the obvious choice for still photography.

You may have one.

Not suprising really, Im shocked people held so much hope for an OVF camera.

Doesn't really bother me to be honest, Ive got no qualms with the EVF, but I s'pose Im not too picky.

For those who wanted an OVF well..I sympathise with you..I think Sony has to tread carefully with their transitions, I can see them dropping Alpha for Nex, but if they do it wrong...they will lose too much credibility.

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Kriekira said:

Horses for courses. I'm enormously disappointed. Tried the a77 -- the EVF doesn't meet my needs.

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I am curious to know what exactly your "needs" are that can't be met by an EVF.

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I need to see instantaneous and subtle changes in light/color.

I need to see a much broader, truer (more neutral), and more smoothly graded gamut of color.

I need to be able to look through the viewfinder for minutes at a time without fatigue.

I need to be visually attached to the world I see. I don't get that visual attachment with any EVF I've tried.

I very much liked the a77. I'd pay a several hundred dollar premium for an a77 w. a hybrid OVF/EVF.

im jsut a 2 bit hack but its funny to look at the EVF

its liek taking screen shots of a computer screen not so much clicking away pictures of what i see

i woudl rather have a cam that had the ovf and fast AF but also a MLU and on chip AF (even if it was slow ) for video (the rear screen could be my EVF call ir real view or something )

WaltKnapp said:

sye46 said:

I wasn't commenting on EVF vs OVF. But that I constantly hear comments from the FF group that tries to justify owning a "pure photographic machine" and that having less features makes you more of a pro.

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And when EVF folks get the only choice Sony is offering, they will suddenly be virtuous and not do exactly the same thing? I don't think so, we already have enough a77 folks who think they are god's gifts to pro photography just because they bought the camera to replace their fixed lens camera. Instant Pros!

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And we have the kind that thinks because he shoots an OVF camera and he has spent several years behind the OVF, he knows it all and shoots at a higher level than pros.

dka91 said:

I can see them dropping Alpha for Nex...

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Absurd. Is anyone at the CanNikon forums lobbying for abandoning existing Nikon/EOS mounts? Has Sony even hinted, in any way, shape, or form, that they intend to do this?

Why do we have trolls spouting this nonsense about abandoning the A mount on this forum? To catch Sony's ear with the hope of making this "prophesy" a reality? If you're a NEX devotee, why not post your prophesies about the imminent demise of the A mount over there?

(BTW as the owner of several A mounts, I would never mount them through an adapter on a NEX camera.)

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dlkeller said:

From what I hear from the few clerks who have them to show, not very many of the customers looking at them like them either. This could become a problem for all of us when Sony discontinues A mount.
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That is totally moronic thing to state.

With all the alpha lenses that are being released and all those in the pipeline, thinking that the alpha mount is going to be discontinued at all, is disconnected from reality.
Watch and learn.

Gionni Dorelli said:

dlkeller said:

From what I hear from the few clerks who have them to show, not very many of the customers looking at them like them either. This could become a problem for all of us when Sony discontinues A mount.
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That is totally moronic thing to state.

With all the alpha lenses that are being released and all those in the pipeline, thinking that the alpha mount is going to be discontinued at all, is disconnected from reality.
Watch and learn.

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Hard to say. Do you remember Minolta and all their lenses and projects?

PJR_68 said:

Having just moved from the 77 to 900...

I personally MUCH prefer the ergo of the 900. I find it to be almost a perfect still camera for landscapes. Thought I would miss live view but I don't. And surprisingly I can get sharp pictures even with that slamming mirror I know it's not the latest greatest tech but the image quality is excellent. I wish I had bought this years ago instead of waiting for the elusive a700 replacement.

I found the 77 to be a really frustrating camera to use, mainly because the EVF and the sluggishness of the interface.

I really think if you put them side by side, most would agree the 900 is the obvious choice for still photography.

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Probably a 3k worth of SLT will change that perception.
I have both the a55 and a couple of a900.

The only limitations I find on the a55 are: the lower res, the dark vf when shooting with studio flash ( but both have been solved on the a77) and the missing option of tethered shooting. A part from that, I think is a very good camera for the cost of the a900 prism only. Yes, because about 700 usd, is the cost of manufacturing the a900 prism, from Sony source.

The day that Sony will decide to release the ff SLT, hopefully it will cost at least 3 grands, it will change the perception of SLT being a point and shoot upgrade.

Once they will put a few hundred dollars instead of few tenths only, on manufacturing the SLT view finder, it will be on a completely different league of what we have today on the a77 or a55.

When they will be able (they will) to increase the amount of light that goes trough the mirror, increase refresh rate and resolution of the of the vf, it will be so close to an ovf, that the difference will be negligible to most of the users. Not mentioning all the advantages on the EVF.

All those features like face recognition, fast frame rate, all the extra info on the vf , video, live view that are available on the SLT will be very welcome on a pro body as well. If you do not need them, just turn them off. IMO is better to have the options than not having them.

There is very little in term of functionality, that the a900 has to offer over the SLT and all are options due to the larger size of the body and the extra cost on manufacturing. Once there will be a larger and more expensive SLT body aimed to professional use, as the a900 has been made, a lot of people will change their mind.

The a77, compared to the a55, has changed quite a few opinions already, the next SLT will change a lot more, and so on.
In the mean time the die hard will be phased out.....

yanzhuo said:

Gionni Dorelli said:

dlkeller said:

From what I hear from the few clerks who have them to show, not very many of the customers looking at them like them either. This could become a problem for all of us when Sony discontinues A mount.
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That is totally moronic thing to state.

With all the alpha lenses that are being released and all those in the pipeline, thinking that the alpha mount is going to be discontinued at all, is disconnected from reality.
Watch and learn.

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Hard to say. Do you remember Minolta and all their lenses and projects?

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They desappeared with the brand....

The brand desappeared for a reason: they were doing products that nearly nobody was interested on. The alpha lenses are being very succesful, compared to what Minolta were.

Although, most of the Minolta lenses are reincarnated in Sony alpha. So, they seems to be still here...

Gionni Dorelli said:

The day that Sony will decide to release the ff SLT, hopefully it will cost at least 3 grands, it will change the perception of SLT being a point and shoot upgrade.

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Sony could introduce a big one costing over $3K for you, and a little one costing under $2K for those who want something smaller and less expensive.
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I agree 300%

Dude...shut up. You're totally overreacting.

I own a Sony Alpha Camera and quite a few lenses....Im no troll or damn advocate for NEX, Im just looking at what Sony does and Im giving my thoughts...I DID NOT say they would definately do it, I said I can SEE THEM doing it...meaning its not definate, just a possibility (and entirely my opnion) and most likely not in the near future anyway.

Sheesh, and how does it make me a troll anyway???

The truth is...the direction Sony are going in it seems like they want to transition into totally mirrorless...whether or not this happens depends entirely on what the market demands, or even what new technologies come up, the fuiture is never certain I suppose.

But regardless...even IF and only IF Sony did go to E mount, they would have to make sure A mount stays relevant..like I said or they will lose alot of people (myself included).

Re: "a very good camera for the cost of the a900 prism only. Yes, because about 700 usd, is the cost of manufacturing the a900 prism, from Sony source"

If this is true and since the street price of a new A-900 body is like $2,699 usd that means that a new full frame camera using the cheaper EVF price should be around the $1,999. The problem is that Sony is trying not to lower the price of admission for a full frame camera but to make more money. So they are going to make a $1,999 SLT full frame camera (A-99) but ask at least $2,999 usd (or more) for its body just because is the only one using a cheaper to manufacture & implement EVF. Hey! why not? If Sigma can ask $9,700 for their $1,999 APS-C body why not Sony. Although Sigma lowered it fast to $6,700 and now to $2,299 (still too much for an APS-C sized sensor camera although more acceptable considering its 3 layer "Foveon" technology).

Re: "I can see them dropping Alpha for Nex, but if they do it wrong...they will lose too much credibility."

Sony is not going to drop the A-mount Alpha for the NEX. I think Sony plans are to establish the NEX for those that want a P&S style of camera with a bigger APS-C sensor for better photo quality. And that the A-mount Alphas are going to continue being what they are now... big Cyber-Shot's with A-mount lenses instead of their fixed lenses.

I was hoping that Sony was going to at least make 1 full frame DSLR camera (A-950) but Sony already announced the A-900 is going to be replaced by the A-99 SLT full frame Cyber-Shot camera. And not going to make any more expensive to manufacture OVF SLR cameras.

I like to take motorsports shots and hi speed panning.

I guess I am screwed. I am not sure what I will do with all this Sony/Minolta stuff. I haven't tried the SLTs but everything I've read & seen posted, I don't think there's much hope for sports shooters.

I was just looking at Sony's site and see the A580, the last DSLR, is gone.