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D4 x 5D3 ISO series in ACR, IR raws (large file)

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papparazzi said:
Excellent...You did what i asked you yesterday :D
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I needed one good night of sleep ;).
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As i see it, the D4 has a one stop advantage...;)
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Well, a tad under that, but maybe in real low light conditions the difference may be more.
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How will the d800 fare here? Anxious to find out...
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Hmm, me too!

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Just 1 stop advantage in favor of D4, that's all...
 
Im no expert but I can only really see a difference above iso 6400, before that they look very similar with slight advantage to D4
 
Set everything to 0. That's the only way we can get the a file closest to RAW. When I compare using capture, I use neutral picture style and put NR=0, and NR turned off (two different things and you see the histogram changes when you turned off NR), sharpening =0 etc.

I of course assume you had some color NR.

In above setting I think 5D3 is between 3200 and 6400. Not 1 stop difference.
rhlpetrus said:
Default conversions except for chroma NR = 0. 5D3 resized to 16MP, D4's also shifted by 1stop for differential comparison.



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Turbo Hampster said:
Im no expert but I can only really see a difference above iso 6400, before that they look very similar with slight advantage to D4
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Really? Even at ISO 1600, the 5D3 image has considerably more chroma noise, as seen in the Olive Oil bottle and the grey border of the color chart.

Thanks to the OP for the hard work setting up these crops.
 
yaya.. no one will happy, no matter how the test is done, why not post a version of yours? See if everyone agree with your test method?
I feel that this case is already very fair with favor of mkIII by downsizing.
 
spidercrown said:
yaya.. no one will happy, no matter how the test is done, why not post a version of yours? See if everyone agree with your test method?
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Because I don't have a converter for 5D3.
spidercrown said:
I feel that this case is already very fair with favor of mkIII by downsizing.
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If the difference is 1 stop, downsizing from 22 to 16 won't help that much.

Anyway I don't care if 5d is better because I need fast camera and on pre-order for D4. Dxo will tell us the real story in month. Let's wait.

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Thanks for your work and that you share the test pictures. The D4 looking good.

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jeminijoseph said:
spidercrown said:
yaya.. no one will happy, no matter how the test is done, why not post a version of yours? See if everyone agree with your test method?
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Because I don't have a converter for 5D3.
jeminijoseph said:
I feel that this case is already very fair with favor of mkIII by downsizing.
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If the difference is 1 stop, downsizing from 22 to 16 won't help that much.
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Yes, it will.
jeminijoseph said:
Anyway I don't care if 5d is better because I need fast camera and on pre-order for D4. Dxo will tell us the real story in month. Let's wait.
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Do you have experience with ACR? Setting everything to zero will mean a very dark image, w/o contrast. If you use CNX2, you have a lot of settings done, even if you choose all set to zero. It's not as "raw" as you think, not even rare more like medium.

In the above samples the color NR was set to 0, that's what I meant by chroma NR. CNX2 also adds some chroma NR by default as ISO goes up. Actually, it applies some, even if you turn it off, compared to any other converter.
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...I’d say the 5DMk3 is looking pretty good.

The one thing I find somewhat unsettling about the camera is some of the features its missing when compared to the D800.
 
Dear Renato, to be sure this test makes sense one needs to check the raw levels on grey wedges and compare those after normalizing to saturation point.

Otherwise it is possible that shots with different effective exposure are compared. The difference may amount to 1 stop.

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Nice work. Just for reference, could you post one with the 5D3 @22 mp. I would be interested in how much downsizing helps reduce noise.
 
rhlpetrus said:
jeminijoseph said:
spidercrown said:
yaya.. no one will happy, no matter how the test is done, why not post a version of yours? See if everyone agree with your test method?
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Because I don't have a converter for 5D3.
rhlpetrus said:
I feel that this case is already very fair with favor of mkIII by downsizing.
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If the difference is 1 stop, downsizing from 22 to 16 won't help that much.
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Yes, it will.
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It will, but not enough to make difference of 1 stop for sure. If you check D700 and 5DII they have 1 stop difference on screen. But for print still 5D is worse than D700. That's the difference between 12mp and 21mp
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rhlpetrus said:
Anyway I don't care if 5d is better because I need fast camera and on pre-order for D4. Dxo will tell us the real story in month. Let's wait.
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Do you have experience with ACR?
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Not an expert. Tried many times including the current LR 4.

Setting everything to zero will mean a very dark image, w/o contrast. If you use CNX2, you have a lot of settings done, even if you choose all set to zero. It's not as "raw" as you think, not even rare more like medium.

I compared D4 image in both NX and LR4. Everything set to 0 (in NX you have to uncheck NR check box, just setting NR to 0 is not really turning it off) both are identical to my eyes. I can post it later.. But I'm sure you know better than me..
rhlpetrus said:
In the above samples the color NR was set to 0, that's what I meant by chroma NR.
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I was mistaken chroma by luminance (B&W). My bad. Sorry about that.

CNX2 also adds some chroma NR by default as ISO goes up. Actually, it applies some, even if you turn it off, compared to any other converter.

From your samples, D4 is better per pixel. Right? I'm not sure the difference 1 stop, but there's a difference. Anyhow the difference in final output is going to be within the skill of the photographer. In other words there won't be any practical difference between these cameras. I believe that's going to be the case with 1DX too.

Thanks for your time on this..
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DocS said:
...I’d say the 5DMk3 is looking pretty good.

The one thing I find somewhat unsettling about the camera is some of the features its missing when compared to the D800.
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That's very usual, right? Features cost money. During film days when F5 was equal in IQ compared to a beginner camera that costs only 1/4 of the price if you use same film and lens.

I remember when original 5D came out it was far better than Canon's top of the line 1D II. Higher ISO IQ and resolution is one and features (speed, weather sealing AF etc) are another thing...

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DocS said:
...I’d say the 5DMk3 is looking pretty good.

The one thing I find somewhat unsettling about the camera is some of the features its missing when compared to the D800.
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Which features is the 5D mk III missing compared to the D800, besides the higher resolution? Pop up flash, yes... what else?
 
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