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Hi there,

I was reading many times since D800 was introduced that it will "require" a tripod to get a tack sharp images since pixels are so small...

Well, I get a very sharp images out my son's D7000 handheld and it has even smaller pixels...

So, what is the problem?

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Grig said:
Hi there,

I was reading many times since D800 was introduced that it will "require" a tripod to get a tack sharp images since pixels are so small...

Well, I get a very sharp images out my son's D7000 handheld and it has even smaller pixels...

So, what is the problem?

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There is not a problem. The reason Nikon have wrote what they have wrote in the in the D800 manual is to remind newbies what good technique is. Ie try to resist putting an 85mm onto the 800 and shooting at 1/80 (especially if you want to print very large). Personally handholding to start with i'll be at 1/160 minimum with an 85mm lens and go from there, possibly more time will tell.

Simple really. Consider your focal length and shutter speed more than you did with 12mp cameras.
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Grig said:
So, what is the problem?
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There isn't one.

The technical guide is for people who demand the utmost sharpness than the 36mp sensor can give. The things they said in the guide are just basic tripod technique - live view manual focus, mid-range f-stop, mirror up, shutter release cable etc.

36mp might make sloppy technique more visible at 100% viewing size, but that motion blur or camera shake was always there before when you were shooting with your 12mp d700. You just didn't see it as much at 100% viewing size

But at the identical output size, the images will be the same. There is zero concern to worry at all. And the thought that the d800 is a tripod camera or studio camera only is ridiculous. They gave it a brand new 51 point 3D tracking autofocus system and weather sealed it...
 
Ayrshirephotographer said:
Simple really. Consider your focal length and shutter speed more than you did with 12mp cameras.
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Absolutely! I felt it when went from 6mp D70 to 10mp D200 years ago... More MPs - more stable you have to be, but the problem is that I never heard this "tripod" thing about D7000 with even smaller pixels than D800...

So according to pixel size - D7000 and D800 should be absolutely identical in terms of motion blur issues...

I am planning to use it for travel and landscape photography, but my D3s bodies are still untouchable for weddings... ;-) D4? If they would leave 2 same cards (I always shoot in Backup mode), didn't touch the AF switch (I use it frequently without even looking at it), didn't change batteries, stayed with 12mp and boosted IQ in low light at least 1 full stop... May be... But it's just me... LOL... :-)

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u007 said:
And the thought that the d800 is a tripod camera or studio camera only is ridiculous. They gave it a brand new 51 point 3D tracking autofocus system and weather sealed it...
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Yep... That's exactly what I was thinking about... ;-)

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Grig said:
Hi there,

I was reading many times since D800 was introduced that it will "require" a tripod to get a tack sharp images since pixels are so small...
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I've heard that the camera will not work unless internal gyroscopes determine that it is mounted on a very secure tripod. Is this true?
 
Frank Stein said:
Grig said:
Hi there,

I was reading many times since D800 was introduced that it will "require" a tripod to get a tack sharp images since pixels are so small...
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I've heard that the camera will not work unless internal gyroscopes determine that it is mounted on a very secure tripod. Is this true?
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Actually, it is very sensitive to motion sickness and gets irritable when not on a tripod. The D800 samples that went out have been known to bite photographers who try and hand hold it. The D800E spits a poison that causes striped rash patterns on the photographer's skin.

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i heard the photog has to screw him/herself into the tripod first, then you can use your VR lenses. otherwise, you are out of warranty.
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No it doesn't.
 
D7000 APS-C 16.2 MPix
D800 DX crop: 15.7 MPix.
Pretty much the same thing

Well, at equivalent field of view, you're right... got to use a 1.5 times longer lense, which translates in 1.5 times the shake
 
Interestingly, shake depends on resolution, not pixel density. The D7000 and D5 are both approx. 67 pixels per degree. The D300/s, D3/s, D700 are all about 58 pixels per degree. The D800 is in a whole new class for DSLRs in terms of potential shake.
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Grig said:
u007 said:
And the thought that the d800 is a tripod camera or studio camera only is ridiculous. They gave it a brand new 51 point 3D tracking autofocus system and weather sealed it...
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Yep... That's exactly what I was thinking about... ;-)
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And is one of the reasons I ordered it. It will see a tripod sometimes, but will never go anywhere near a studio.
 
JimPearce said:
Interestingly, shake depends on resolution, not pixel density. The D7000 and D4 are both approx. 67 pixels per degree. The D300/s, D3/s, D700 are all about 58 pixels per degree. The D800 is in a whole new class for DSLRs in terms of potential shake.
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That makes sense.

I remember when I moved up from the 6 Mp Fuji S2 to the 12 Mp Nikon D2x. Geez.... that really challenged my assumptions and sloppy techniques.... It took me months to relearn everything and to know where the limitations are and aren't.

There will many issues to master:
  • Diffraction limits and f/stops, the sharpest f/stops and hyperfocal distances. Add a good ND filter for longer exposures.
  • Slowest shutter speeds that are useful handheld
  • What solid and useful tripod specs are (micro vibration and harmonics are a big deal; most select tripods for the wrong reasons: i.e. "Ease of use" which has nothing to do with basic physics at all).
  • Lens quality
Brace yourself; there will be much complaining about the D800 until users clean up their basic techniques and understand what they are doing that is creating poor quality images. Real understanding takes time and effort to learn.... Many will conveniently blame the camera when IQ doesn't meet expectations. The D800 will not be a tool for casual users.

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You guys made my day... LOL,,,,,, :-)
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John Motts said:
If I want to get ultra sharp 20x30 prints from my Kodak Box Brownie I need a tripod for best results.
Exactly the same applies to the D1, D2, D700 or D800 for any given print size.
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It all depends on light... ;-)

No tripod - printed to 16x48 inches



Tripod - printed 20x30 inches



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