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Did you guys read this about the sensor?
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Corkcampbell
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Let's not get the sensor mystery going again.
Brian Mosley
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So Ian honestly doesn't know who makes the sensor? But he's totally confident it isn't Panasonic.
Sounds a bit weak, but as he says, DX0 should show whether it's a GX1 retread.
Thanks for the pointer.
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Sounds a bit weak, but as he says, DX0 should show whether it's a GX1 retread.
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Panda9
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I don't think it's weak at all - it's an honest statement of what he knows. IMO, he's addressing the obsession shown on forums with whether or not the E-M5 sensor is by Panasonic, which is why Panasonic is mentioned by name. For whatever reason, Panasonic sensors are damned and praised in the same breath -- they're often praised in Panasonic bodies, but damned in Olympus bodies.
Even you're showing this obsession with your comment about "GX1 retread". It's no wonder Olympus won't tell us - the people on the forums are a very tough crowd to please.
Brian Mosley
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...and I'm inclined to think that's all he knows, but it's not functionally much different to Mr Terada's statement that he can't say who makes the sensor, but it's a new one.
Actually, he's just re-stating the opposite of what Louis has been stating and restating that everyone knows it's a cheap Panasonic sensor. For that, I am indeed thankful but it's just another statement to take at face value.
Why would Olympus be reluctant to state the sensor supplier on the basis of what any 'tough crowd' on the internet would have to say? I think it's more to do with corporate sensitivities.Even you're showing this obsession with your comment about "GX1 retread". It's no wonder Olympus won't tell us - the people on the forums are a very tough crowd to please.
Leave it to DX0 and dpreview to tell us what we really want to know about the image making capabilities of this new camera... the only significance of who makes the sensor, is whether we're going to see more competition in the 4/3rds sensor size.
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Louis_Dobson
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Apparently he has been firmly told by Olympus off the record it is not a Panasonic sensor, and he's kind enough to tell us too.
Great.
I still suspect a misunderstanding though, because it behaves in every damn way exactly like a GX1 sensor and the images look like a GX1 sensor. So my first thought is that it is a GX1 sensor, and my second is that if he is right and it is from someone else it's a shame Oly couldn't find someone who could make a sensor with on board ADCs.
The obvious maker, by the way, is Samsung. Anyone bothered to look at NX200 and see what the sensor is like? I stopped reading the moment I saw there was no viewfinder available.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
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Great.
I still suspect a misunderstanding though, because it behaves in every damn way exactly like a GX1 sensor and the images look like a GX1 sensor. So my first thought is that it is a GX1 sensor, and my second is that if he is right and it is from someone else it's a shame Oly couldn't find someone who could make a sensor with on board ADCs.
The obvious maker, by the way, is Samsung. Anyone bothered to look at NX200 and see what the sensor is like? I stopped reading the moment I saw there was no viewfinder available.
--I don't think it's weak at all - it's an honest statement of what he knows. IMO, he's addressing the obsession shown on forums with whether or not the E-M5 sensor is by Panasonic, which is why Panasonic is mentioned by name. For whatever reason, Panasonic sensors are damned and praised in the same breath -- they're often praised in Panasonic bodies, but damned in Olympus bodies.
Even you're showing this obsession with your comment about "GX1 retread". It's no wonder Olympus won't tell us - the people on the forums are a very tough crowd to please.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
Brian Mosley
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To quell your confusion Louis.
As I said, the only reason the supplier is of any relevance... is whether we can expect some competition in this sensor format.
As a photographer, I'm only interested in the image making capabilities of the whole package... the sensor is just a component.
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As I said, the only reason the supplier is of any relevance... is whether we can expect some competition in this sensor format.
As a photographer, I'm only interested in the image making capabilities of the whole package... the sensor is just a component.
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I voted for Samsung as well... ;-)
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Louis_Dobson
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so am I.
As someone who pumps vast sums of money into cameras and lenses I want any clues going as to what is likely to happen next. And I'd very much like to know who makes this sensor.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
As someone who pumps vast sums of money into cameras and lenses I want any clues going as to what is likely to happen next. And I'd very much like to know who makes this sensor.
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http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
Hmm... just how much difference do you expect between the look of two MFT sensor (mounted), may I ask? I mean the design is pretty nailed down and at any rate probably there no more than 3-4 company who could mfr them...
Samsung? That would be a first, for a Japanese company to use Korean sensor...
Samsung? That would be a first, for a Japanese company to use Korean sensor...
Apparently he has been firmly told by Olympus off the record it is not a Panasonic sensor, and he's kind enough to tell us too.
Great.
I still suspect a misunderstanding though, because it behaves in every damn way exactly like a GX1 sensor and the images look like a GX1 sensor. So my first thought is that it is a GX1 sensor, and my second is that if he is right and it is from someone else it's a shame Oly couldn't find someone who could make a sensor with on board ADCs.
The obvious maker, by the way, is Samsung. Anyone bothered to look at NX200 and see what the sensor is like? I stopped reading the moment I saw there was no viewfinder available.
--I don't think it's weak at all - it's an honest statement of what he knows. IMO, he's addressing the obsession shown on forums with whether or not the E-M5 sensor is by Panasonic, which is why Panasonic is mentioned by name. For whatever reason, Panasonic sensors are damned and praised in the same breath -- they're often praised in Panasonic bodies, but damned in Olympus bodies.
Even you're showing this obsession with your comment about "GX1 retread". It's no wonder Olympus won't tell us - the people on the forums are a very tough crowd to please.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
Louis_Dobson
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I didn't mean the physical appearance of the sensor, I meant the look of the photos. Go look at Nikon D7000 RAW files, GX1 RAW files, and OM-D files.
If it has a Korean sensor, that might be a very good reason why Oly don't want to tell you! In fact a Japanese designed camera made in China with a Korean sensor makes perfect sense, if you exclude, um, "cultural issues".
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
If it has a Korean sensor, that might be a very good reason why Oly don't want to tell you! In fact a Japanese designed camera made in China with a Korean sensor makes perfect sense, if you exclude, um, "cultural issues".
--Hmm... just how much difference do you expect between the look of two MFT sensor (mounted), may I ask? I mean the design is pretty nailed down and at any rate probably there no more than 3-4 company who could mfr them...
Samsung? That would be a first, for a Japanese company to use Korean sensor...
Apparently he has been firmly told by Olympus off the record it is not a Panasonic sensor, and he's kind enough to tell us too.
Great.
I still suspect a misunderstanding though, because it behaves in every damn way exactly like a GX1 sensor and the images look like a GX1 sensor. So my first thought is that it is a GX1 sensor, and my second is that if he is right and it is from someone else it's a shame Oly couldn't find someone who could make a sensor with on board ADCs.
The obvious maker, by the way, is Samsung. Anyone bothered to look at NX200 and see what the sensor is like? I stopped reading the moment I saw there was no viewfinder available.
--I don't think it's weak at all - it's an honest statement of what he knows. IMO, he's addressing the obsession shown on forums with whether or not the E-M5 sensor is by Panasonic, which is why Panasonic is mentioned by name. For whatever reason, Panasonic sensors are damned and praised in the same breath -- they're often praised in Panasonic bodies, but damned in Olympus bodies.
Even you're showing this obsession with your comment about "GX1 retread". It's no wonder Olympus won't tell us - the people on the forums are a very tough crowd to please.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
So if the OM sensor does not have the same IQ as the GX1 we will know it is not from panasonic.......right!
For more of this same logic see the witch scene in Monty Python.
A genuien sense of confusioon seems to be the difference between sensor design and fabrication. With a sensor someone has to 'make' the sensor as in build up the design of the silicon that is the sensor. This is the same as the way ARM 'makes' a processor like the Cortex A8, even though ARM has not silicon fabrication. Then someone else reproduces the design in actual sillicon mas production.
If Olympus 'made' the sensor as in it was their own design work, then it can be considered they who created or 'made' the sensor even if they do not do the actual wafer fab. Just as they may not own the factories that assemble the OM-Ds either.
For more of this same logic see the witch scene in Monty Python.
A genuien sense of confusioon seems to be the difference between sensor design and fabrication. With a sensor someone has to 'make' the sensor as in build up the design of the silicon that is the sensor. This is the same as the way ARM 'makes' a processor like the Cortex A8, even though ARM has not silicon fabrication. Then someone else reproduces the design in actual sillicon mas production.
If Olympus 'made' the sensor as in it was their own design work, then it can be considered they who created or 'made' the sensor even if they do not do the actual wafer fab. Just as they may not own the factories that assemble the OM-Ds either.
TheoC
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Curiously enough, I think Olympus has done a very good job with the sensors in their cameras. I am trying to like the GH1 and always go back to the EP1. I want good jpegs, have no time for PP and I find the the GH1 default colours awful. The EP1, EP2 and the EPl 1 are fantastic for my tastes. YMMV, of course.I don't think it's weak at all - it's an honest statement of what he knows. IMO, he's addressing the obsession shown on forums with whether or not the E-M5 sensor is by Panasonic, which is why Panasonic is mentioned by name. For whatever reason, Panasonic sensors are damned and praised in the same breath -- they're often praised in Panasonic bodies, but damned in Olympus bodies.
Even you're showing this obsession with your comment about "GX1 retread". It's no wonder Olympus won't tell us - the people on the forums are a very tough crowd to please.
Simon Cowell
Senior Member
This sounds bizarre - the "Live MOS" term used to describe this sensor in various sites would indicate it still belongs to the Panasonic family of sensors.
Well, there may be another theory:
Both Panasonic and Olympus are outsourcing their current sensors for GX1 and EM-5.
Well, there may be another theory:
Both Panasonic and Olympus are outsourcing their current sensors for GX1 and EM-5.
Brian Mosley
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Anders W
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What makes you say that? The analyses of read noise characteristics by people like bg2b and kenw, suggest the E-M5 is significantly better at base ISO than the G3/GX1. The first comparisons of pushed underexposed base ISO shots from the E-M5 and E-P3 (processed from RAW in dcraw, not Oly viewer) that I have seen suggest the same.
Simon Cowell
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If that was true then why the Panasonic G1, the first MFT camera, was announced as having a 'LiveMOS' sensor?
Louis_Dobson
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The comparisons I have done so far, and I find these things very hard to interpret, is that it is better than the E-P3 (not hard) but worse than the GH2. ie GX1 level, around about the worst you can get.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com
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Anders W
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Yes, but are your comparisons (which you say are hard to interpret) better than the more straightforward comparisons I point to (and which suggest that the E-M5 is at the very least in the same ballpark as the GH2, possibly better)?
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