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I owned a D80 then D300. I switched to Canon for the 5DII and now own two of them plus a 60D. I have lens from 8mm to 500, flash, file transmitter, etc.

Every time I upgraded to more resolution I found that I 'needed' to reshoot most of the things I take photos of. I wanted to have the best resolution and IQ I could get.

If I am going to shoot Uluru in Central Australia what camera do you think I want to take?

Fast forward to 2012. Nikon amazes everyone with two D800. Gone are the bragging rights of the 5DII which eclipsed the resolution of the D700. The D800E is what I want to complement my Canon equipment. I also want the 14-24 Nikkor and the 24-70. If you want the best 35mm resolution you have to buy Nikon! At the moment, anyway.

I regretted selling some of the Nikon lenses, and the way things are moving it makes sense to have both camera systems. We can then end up with the best from both manufacturers.

I would guess that Canon have too many marketing people on the R&D committee. Nikon have professional photographers on theirs. At least that is what it seems.

I also like having a flash on my DSLR so the Nikon wins again.

Canon has disappointed the compact enthusiasts for years and years. Only this year have they released what should have been there years ago. Look at what Sony and others have done with the mirrorless format.

Vince
 
OvinceZ said:
I owned a D80 then D300. I switched to Canon for the 5DII and now own two of them plus a 60D. I have lens from 8mm to 500, flash, file transmitter, etc.

Every time I upgraded to more resolution I found that I 'needed' to reshoot most of the things I take photos of. I wanted to have the best resolution and IQ I could get.

If I am going to shoot Uluru in Central Australia what camera do you think I want to take?

Fast forward to 2012. Nikon amazes everyone with two D800. Gone are the bragging rights of the 5DII which eclipsed the resolution of the D700. The D800E is what I want to complement my Canon equipment. I also want the 14-24 Nikkor and the 24-70. If you want the best 35mm resolution you have to buy Nikon! At the moment, anyway.

I regretted selling some of the Nikon lenses, and the way things are moving it makes sense to have both camera systems. We can then end up with the best from both manufacturers.

I would guess that Canon have too many marketing people on the R&D committee. Nikon have professional photographers on theirs. At least that is what it seems.

I also like having a flash on my DSLR so the Nikon wins again.

Canon has disappointed the compact enthusiasts for years and years. Only this year have they released what should have been there years ago. Look at what Sony and others have done with the mirrorless format.

Vince
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Even though they disappointed the compact enthusiast for years and years, they've been outselling Nikon for years and years in the compact enthusiast category. Why is that?
 
Canon has always been ahead of Nikon in the compact market. I own a G10 and had many other Canon compacts as well.
 
Randplaty said:
OvinceZ said:
I owned a D80 then D300. I switched to Canon for the 5DII and now own two of them plus a 60D. I have lens from 8mm to 500, flash, file transmitter, etc.

Every time I upgraded to more resolution I found that I 'needed' to reshoot most of the things I take photos of. I wanted to have the best resolution and IQ I could get.

If I am going to shoot Uluru in Central Australia what camera do you think I want to take?

Fast forward to 2012. Nikon amazes everyone with two D800. Gone are the bragging rights of the 5DII which eclipsed the resolution of the D700. The D800E is what I want to complement my Canon equipment. I also want the 14-24 Nikkor and the 24-70. If you want the best 35mm resolution you have to buy Nikon! At the moment, anyway.

I regretted selling some of the Nikon lenses, and the way things are moving it makes sense to have both camera systems. We can then end up with the best from both manufacturers.

I would guess that Canon have too many marketing people on the R&D committee. Nikon have professional photographers on theirs. At least that is what it seems.

I also like having a flash on my DSLR so the Nikon wins again.

Canon has disappointed the compact enthusiasts for years and years. Only this year have they released what should have been there years ago. Look at what Sony and others have done with the mirrorless format.

Vince
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Even though they disappointed the compact enthusiast for years and years, they've been outselling Nikon for years and years in the compact enthusiast category. Why is that?
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Canon may have been outselling Nikon previously but the reality is Nikon now has proven to be just as good if not better recently on its products. It is true Canon's bragging rights as far as having the highest mp body has disappeared.

Nikon is at least making Canon honest my producing competitive products at this stage. When Canon releases its next generation of high end bodies (45mp or so) what will they say then?

The highest mp body between Canon & Nikon right now belongs to Nikon and that is reality.
 
I started with Nikon in early 70's, switched to Canon in '95 (Good AF, 17-35 when Nikon only had 20-35, and eye selective focusing) and went back to Nikon in 2007 (D3) when I had a Canon 1DMKIII that could not focus even after sending it back to Canon 2x. I switched for specific reasons. I think the huge advantage Canon now has is the radio flash, this is HUGE. Probably not enough to get me back to Canon but certainly taking notice. I'm just surprised people are not making a lot of noise about this.
 
When Canon makes a higher Mp model I will probably want that, too. As long as it is reasonably priced. I want the best IQ no matter who is building them. There is no way I can justify a pro body at the price they are selling them for.

If we go back to the poor AF of the 1DIII then clearly both companies have been slow to release new models. Canon released the D700 and D3 and D3x to establish themselves in the FF market. The D800 was a long time coming but surprised everyone. We expected a small increase in Mp to perhaps 16 or 18 but not 36. Removing the AA filter was also something not expected for the D800E.

Vince
 
Jimmy Presto said:
Randplaty said:
OvinceZ said:
I owned a D80 then D300. I switched to Canon for the 5DII and now own two of them plus a 60D. I have lens from 8mm to 500, flash, file transmitter, etc.

Every time I upgraded to more resolution I found that I 'needed' to reshoot most of the things I take photos of. I wanted to have the best resolution and IQ I could get.

If I am going to shoot Uluru in Central Australia what camera do you think I want to take?

Fast forward to 2012. Nikon amazes everyone with two D800. Gone are the bragging rights of the 5DII which eclipsed the resolution of the D700. The D800E is what I want to complement my Canon equipment. I also want the 14-24 Nikkor and the 24-70. If you want the best 35mm resolution you have to buy Nikon! At the moment, anyway.

I regretted selling some of the Nikon lenses, and the way things are moving it makes sense to have both camera systems. We can then end up with the best from both manufacturers.

I would guess that Canon have too many marketing people on the R&D committee. Nikon have professional photographers on theirs. At least that is what it seems.

I also like having a flash on my DSLR so the Nikon wins again.

Canon has disappointed the compact enthusiasts for years and years. Only this year have they released what should have been there years ago. Look at what Sony and others have done with the mirrorless format.

Vince
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Even though they disappointed the compact enthusiast for years and years, they've been outselling Nikon for years and years in the compact enthusiast category. Why is that?
Click to expand...
Canon may have been outselling Nikon previously but the reality is Nikon now has proven to be just as good if not better recently on its products. It is true Canon's bragging rights as far as having the highest mp body has disappeared.

Nikon is at least making Canon honest my producing competitive products at this stage. When Canon releases its next generation of high end bodies (45mp or so) what will they say then?

The highest mp body between Canon & Nikon right now belongs to Nikon and that is reality.
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Who cares about MP. Canon certainly doesn't as long as it's cameras still sell better than Nikons. 5D3 is already at the top of the DSLR charts on Amazon. Looks like the 5D3 is going to be a best seller yet again.
 
Yes, Canon marketing knows what most of the public want. However, the enthusiasts often miss out. This seems to be happening again. The D800 is doing what the 5DII did when it was released. The 5DII got many Nikon shooters to abandon the brand. Now it is Nikon's turn.

Suppose you were a salesman in a camera store. What model do you think would be easier to sell if the buyer didn't own Canon or Nikon?

Vince
 
Canon have released the perfect cheap working Pro FF camera for event/wedding/web advertising photographers relegating there 1DX to the sports only photog. Nikon have released the massive reso studio monster paired with the Nikon micro should be very good, landscape people should be happy too. It is a great time to be a photographer with these awesome tools, I want a G1X to complement my 2x 5DII wont be upgrading as I rarely shoot above iso 3200 I have a 35 F1.4 & 85 f1.2 & would buy the 24-70II & 70-200II before a new camera.
 
I need the sharpest wide angle I can find. I have the 17-40, 16-35, and 8-15L plus the Samyang 14. The Samyang is sharp but is manual focus. Nothing Canon makes approaches the Nikkor 14-24 as a wide angle lens, zoom or no zoom.

So it is almost compelling for me to acquire the D800E and the 14-24. Pretty much state of the art for wide landscape shooting. Add the 24-70 and 70-200 and you have an excellent landscape kit.

Does Canon have something ready to compete with this combo?

Vince
 
The new 24-70II looks very good & the reliability reports of the Nikkor 24-70 is questionable, the 14-24 is very good but filtering is an issue, the 70-200II is better than Nikkor at the long end. The new D800 is good but lenses I wouldn't jump ship for that.
 
What a pity lenses can't fit all cameras. The competition has forced Canon to update its 24-70. I could almost buy a D800 with the money. In Australia it will cost $2600.

The D800E with the 14-24 is a stellar combination.

I am not jumping but straddling both ships! I have always been a 35mm Nikon owner in the past. Well, with Contax, Pentax, Rollie SLX, etc.

Vince
 
Jack- filtering is NOT an issue on the 14-24. If you know how to use CS and bracket, you can do fine without a filter. I do have thR SW150 and rarely use it because there are more image pure work arounds. With such a stellar lens, it dosen't make sense to put lower quality optics in front of it. For wide angle landscape photography, the D800 + 14-24 is the best tool money can buy!
jackpro said:
The new 24-70II looks very good & the reliability reports of the Nikkor 24-70 is questionable, the 14-24 is very good but filtering is an issue, the 70-200II is better than Nikkor at the long end. The new D800 is good but lenses I wouldn't jump ship for that.
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I take lots of landscapes of the Australian scenes. There are landscapes with thousands of gum trees. Sometimes my Canon 16-35 delivers mush! The 8-15L is much better. The Nikkor 14-24 is even better re resolution and should do well on the new D800E.

Here is a sample with the 8-15L @ 15mm.

 
14-24 is a Good lens just a bit wide for my tastes prefer 35
 
OvinceZ said:
Yes, Canon marketing knows what most of the public want. However, the enthusiasts often miss out. This seems to be happening again. The D800 is doing what the 5DII did when it was released. The 5DII got many Nikon shooters to abandon the brand. Now it is Nikon's turn.

Suppose you were a salesman in a camera store. What model do you think would be easier to sell if the buyer didn't own Canon or Nikon?

Vince
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It would seriously depend on what the photographer wanted to shoot. If they were aiming for general photography where they had no specific specialty? I'd probably point them to the lenses... which would lead them to Canon. But it could go either way.

I think what a lot of people aren't understanding is that the 5D series was never aimed at enthusiasts. Starting with the original 5D, it was primarily a lightweight pro camera and Canon is just returning to that no matter what Nikon is doing. I think Canon will release another body for full frame enthusiasts in the $2500 range.
 
I don't see how that's possible. What would the low end model leave out?

MP's?

The new AF, keep the old one?

Slower FPS?

Most people consider the III an incremental upgrade. So a dumbed down III would be not much different than the II.
Randplaty said:
I think what a lot of people aren't understanding is that the 5D series was never aimed at enthusiasts. Starting with the original 5D, it was primarily a lightweight pro camera and Canon is just returning to that no matter what Nikon is doing. I think Canon will release another body for full frame enthusiasts in the $2500 range.
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tko said:
I don't see how that's possible. What would the low end model leave out?

MP's?

The new AF, keep the old one?

Slower FPS?

Most people consider the III an incremental upgrade. So a dumbed down III would be not much different than the II.
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I don't consider it an incremental upgrade.

They could give it the 7D AF, remove the dual card slots, give it 4 fps, remove the weathersealing and the build quality upgrades, remove the 100% viewfinder, and give it more megapixels.

Basically take the current 5d2 and just put more megapixels and 7D AF. Think about how that would compete against the D800. It'd have the same megapixels or similar megapixels, but not have the "pro" features. So enthusiasts who don't care about pro body or pro AF could pick one up and save money.
 
They will keep selling 5DII the way digital is now you get a model at each price point it's like the pc market cpu tech has reached fast enough 3 yrs ago now its about battery life & cloud. I see dslr going that direction upload to cloud, gps, link to pad instantly like the iphone 4s does now. (I am android pc user)
 
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