D800 high ISO samples at Swedish site...

rhlpetrus · Mar 1, 2012

Thank you, very impressive I'd say, since they are 100% crops, my impression is that the D800 has a slightly better performance at the pixel level, compared to the D7000 (which I use).

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lock · Mar 1, 2012

These are crops from pictures originating from a russian website. If you wish to discuss noise, you should ask them to provide the leftside of the frames with heavy underexposed areas next to the window.

Jon Rty · Mar 1, 2012

So, they should've done something with the D800 that they didn't with the D4?

Ilkka Nissilä said:
No it is not impressive. The "experts" in this forum claim that pixel density has no effect on high ISO image quality therefore in four years of development Nikon should've pulled 1-2 stops improved quality over the D3 and place it in D800 (since there is, supposedly, no compromise involved).

IMO D700 level, or even slightly improved high ISO quality is quite lackluster today. If it were a DX camera, then it would be impressive, but it's not.

Mikael Risedal · Mar 1, 2012

I do not care if it is "old"stuff
what is interesting is the answer from The Suede
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40768675

lock said:
These are crops from pictures originating from a russian website. If you wish to discuss noise, you should ask them to provide the leftside of the frames with heavy underexposed areas next to the window.

M Lammerse · Mar 1, 2012

It's nice as an indication (especially for those which did not see it.)

We'll see more 'scientific' testing in about 2 weeks from now.
Michel

lock said:
These are crops from pictures originating from a russian website. If you wish to discuss noise, you should ask them to provide the leftside of the frames with heavy underexposed areas next to the window.

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mholdef · Mar 1, 2012

Impressive

I had the opportunity to shoot the D800 alongside my D700 at 3200, 4000 and 6400 ISO and the D800 images always looked better.

Looking forward to getting this camera

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PicMax · Mar 1, 2012

Interesting. So what information or evidence do you have to prove that Capture NX 2 applies NR even when Develop-> Camera Settings have it turned off? The image and apparent noise level would certainly look different compared to your results because of different demosacing methods, white balance, and perhaps tone curve applied on the data.

Vast majority of people use this commercial RAW converters. So it still makes sense to use them even through may they have these so-called "inescapable NR".

Max

The_Suede said:
So what was important about those conversions? For my part it was to inspect the 100% image quality without noise reduction . I know fairly well how other cameras perform when put in the same situation, so it is a very good way to gauge performance.

If you use a commercial raw converter like Capture NX or LR you can't get away from noise reduction. Quite a lot of it is applied even though everything is set at "zero" in the user controls.

So, those images I linked show "the very worst" of the camera, at 100% magnification. That's the main point of the images, not artistic proficiency.

To get the images into a better perspective, here's the Canon 1D mkIV developed with the exact same amount of processing:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CrrlRrtcG8g/T05I20HO8cI/AAAAAAAAEPw/C43vTyGF9lU/s0/1D4_6400.jpg

Which is to be compared to the ISO6400 sample from the D800:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-showvkoeOZ4/T0f6uSB37mI/AAAAAAAAENw/2ThCSeiLBbk/s0/06400.jpg

Hope that puts the images in a better context.

I never though the images would "propagate" outside the Swedish community without my original comments, that were paramount to understand the meaning of the comparison. My bad.

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PicMax · Mar 1, 2012

That area appears to be more noisy but there isn't much details either.

lock said:
These are crops from pictures originating from a russian website. If you wish to discuss noise, you should ask them to provide the leftside of the frames with heavy underexposed areas next to the window.

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Mikael Risedal · Mar 1, 2012

All commercial raw converters apply some noise reduction default

PicMax said:
Interesting. So what information or evidence do you have to prove that Capture NX 2 applies NR even when Develop-> Camera Settings have it turned off? The image and apparent noise level would certainly look different compared to your results because of different demosacing methods, white balance, and perhaps tone curve applied on the data.

Vast majority of people use this commercial RAW converters. So it still makes sense to use them even through may they have these so-called "inescapable NR".

Max

The_Suede said:

So what was important about those conversions? For my part it was to inspect the 100% image quality without noise reduction . I know fairly well how other cameras perform when put in the same situation, so it is a very good way to gauge performance.

If you use a commercial raw converter like Capture NX or LR you can't get away from noise reduction. Quite a lot of it is applied even though everything is set at "zero" in the user controls.

So, those images I linked show "the very worst" of the camera, at 100% magnification. That's the main point of the images, not artistic proficiency.

To get the images into a better perspective, here's the Canon 1D mkIV developed with the exact same amount of processing:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-CrrlRrtcG8g/T05I20HO8cI/AAAAAAAAEPw/C43vTyGF9lU/s0/1D4_6400.jpg

Which is to be compared to the ISO6400 sample from the D800:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-showvkoeOZ4/T0f6uSB37mI/AAAAAAAAENw/2ThCSeiLBbk/s0/06400.jpg

Hope that puts the images in a better context.

I never though the images would "propagate" outside the Swedish community without my original comments, that were paramount to understand the meaning of the comparison. My bad.

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coudet · Mar 1, 2012

Cenk said:
If those are directly the 100% cropped images, results are really really excellent & very impressive...

These were posted a while back, raw files are available and you can easily find them if you do a quick search..

And I agree, the results are very good.

cluna · Mar 1, 2012

M Lammerse said:
Hi Phil,

Thanks, I noticed it now.
The 25600 will look very good when resized

For the lazy like myself, while viewing it in chrome (right-click the image and Open image in new tab). When you resize the collapsed image, you can see how good it looks properly resized

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lock · Mar 1, 2012

..the color noise the D800 suffers from. Mind you, I think these areas are almost 3 stops underexposed. So it's bound to suffer. But this was the area that cleaned up the worst of the entire image.

They should get this machine on the the shelves ASAP. That way, we will get fresh examples to compare, and the discussing will start when the D900 will come

DaDane · Mar 15, 2012

shaunly said:
Let's not forget people, these are 100% cropped from 36MP!! I actually think the noise is very analog and so it's pleasing. It's performance seems very close to a D3s when downsized.

But let's not exclude low ISO performance, look at 400 and 800. Incredible!!

The D700 is legendary but the D800 just seems like ís breaking the laws of physics.

The swedes even did some NR too

Even more pleasing:

Left - RAW converted - no NR, no editing
Right - Raw converted, some NR, color balancing ...

And remember this is just a deep crop, it's not the whole picture

I am really getting impatient waiting for my D800 now!

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