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tman1991 said:
well, then why does FUJI even say its a xMP camera? they need to market it as a x/2MP camera.

I guess I will wait until I get my own HS30, but if this is true, then I will return it and get something else. Not sure which brand tho.

The one thing to realize is printing at 13x19 which I due exclusively, requires 8-12MP min. I want the L sizes (16MP) to print.
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Cancel the order and buy a used S100 if you want the camera for those size prints.

In L size you will not get 16mp of resolution out of the camera because the sensor is not a Bayer sensor and also because of diffraction.

Or you need to buy a DSLR and a superzoom but expecting the HS30 to produce 16mp of resolution to print 13x19 prints is probably unrealistic.

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S100, S6500, S5, F300, F200, F70, F11, F31 (deceased), Z5, V10, D40, EX1
 
Wellington100 said:
tman1991 said:
well, then why does FUJI even say its a xMP camera? they need to market it as a x/2MP camera.

I guess I will wait until I get my own HS30, but if this is true, then I will return it and get something else. Not sure which brand tho.

The one thing to realize is printing at 13x19 which I due exclusively, requires 8-12MP min. I want the L sizes (16MP) to print.
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Cancel the order and buy a used S100 if you want the camera for those size prints.

In L size you will not get 16mp of resolution out of the camera because the sensor is not a Bayer sensor and also because of diffraction.

Or you need to buy a DSLR and a superzoom but expecting the HS30 to produce 16mp of resolution to print 13x19 prints is probably unrealistic.

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S100, S6500, S5, F300, F200, F70, F11, F31 (deceased), Z5, V10, D40, EX1
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So another person says that Fuji is lying.. I dunno, I just keep my order, too much conflicting info. Im starting to think a lot of it is not correct. No way the HS20/30 is NOT a 16MP camera. This 8MP argument smells fishy to me. Even in L? I dont believe it.
 
tman1991 said:
Wellington100 said:
tman1991 said:
well, then why does FUJI even say its a xMP camera? they need to market it as a x/2MP camera.

I guess I will wait until I get my own HS30, but if this is true, then I will return it and get something else. Not sure which brand tho.

The one thing to realize is printing at 13x19 which I due exclusively, requires 8-12MP min. I want the L sizes (16MP) to print.
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Cancel the order and buy a used S100 if you want the camera for those size prints.

In L size you will not get 16mp of resolution out of the camera because the sensor is not a Bayer sensor and also because of diffraction.

Or you need to buy a DSLR and a superzoom but expecting the HS30 to produce 16mp of resolution to print 13x19 prints is probably unrealistic.

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S100, S6500, S5, F300, F200, F70, F11, F31 (deceased), Z5, V10, D40, EX1
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So another person says that Fuji is lying.. I dunno, I just keep my order, too much conflicting info. Im starting to think a lot of it is not correct. No way the HS20/30 is NOT a 16MP camera. This 8MP argument smells fishy to me. Even in L? I dont believe it.
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tman1991,

I think you misunderstood. No one is lying. The HS30 is 16MP. But you wont get 16MP quality because it has two pixels (photosites) of the same color next to each other, unlike a Bayer filter. This is how pixel bining works on EXR sensors, by combining same color photosites that are next to each other.

PLease look at this page. Its of a 12MP Super CCD EXR sensor, but the CMOS version, works just the same.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2008/9/22/fujifilmEXR
 
patchotoole said:
Haha, nice cut & paste.
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We are trying to be helpful to you based on our many years of combined EXR knowhow. If you want to ignore us and troll go ahead and have some fun, but when you look at at your 1st print of mush, don't say no-one tried to warn you.
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S100, S6500, S5, F300, F200, F70, F11, F31 (deceased), Z5, V10, D40, EX1
 
You should get something else. If you're switching off EXR permanently, you'll be missing most of what I've kept the camera for.

It takes perfectly decent 12mp pictures but they highlight the difference between the IQ of my DSLR (an E620 with the 12/60 SWD on it most of the time). Whereas the ExR modes, indoor without flash especially, do things the DSLR kit can't.
 
Why would anybody need more than 6mp from a compact camera ?

Well, your answer could be that you need it for cropping. Frankly : small sensors don't provide enough IQ for this to be feasible. Just try to take any 14mp-18mp P&S with pinhead sensor, and try to crop it. These things are not your DSLRs, MILCes or X100. No substantial cropping from P&S beyond ISO200.

You don't want anybody to look from close range to the large-sized poster you may have shot with P&S either. These things are not your DSLRs, MILCes or X100. A3 is maximum from P&S under optimal conditions, A4 under common conditions.

So, I am grateful to Fuji to provide us with choice. You have no choice with other brands. You can't expose differently lights and shadows with other brands. You can't pixelbin before demosaicing with other brands to clean your image of the chroma noise without losing color definition.

So, pls, do not insist Fuji drops EXR. You do have other choices, do not make Fuji drop our choice.
 
Rachotilko said:
Well, your answer could be that you need it for cropping. Frankly : small sensors don't provide enough IQ for this to be feasible. Just try to take any 14mp-18mp P&S with pinhead sensor, and try to crop it. These things are not your DSLRs, MILCes or X100. No substantial cropping from P&S beyond ISO200.
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I find 6mp more than enough, even for cropping. Here's a 6mp F200EXR image, not DSLR quality but it printed to A3 nicely.

Paul.



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tman1991 said:
The one thing to realize is printing at 13x19 which I due exclusively, requires 8-12MP min. I want the L sizes (16MP) to print.
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If you are printing at S13R or larger, then a compact is really at its limit. Unless your aim is to demonstrate what artifacts are visible in a print of an image from a compact camera printed at S13R look like. :)

C
 
patchotoole said:
I presume you mean tman.
I was joking with Paul.
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Oh and oh :-)

I am starting to take myself too seriously, that is not a good sign so I am off to spend the afternoon getting hammered, bye for now.

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S100, S6500, S5, F300, F200, F70, F11, F31 (deceased), Z5, V10, D40, EX1
 
But tell me honestly what I'm buying
Rachotilko said:
Why would anybody need more than 6mp from a compact camera ?

Well, your answer could be that you need it for cropping. Frankly : small sensors don't provide enough IQ for this to be feasible. Just try to take any 14mp-18mp P&S with pinhead sensor, and try to crop it. These things are not your DSLRs, MILCes or X100. No substantial cropping from P&S beyond ISO200.

You don't want anybody to look from close range to the large-sized poster you may have shot with P&S either. These things are not your DSLRs, MILCes or X100. A3 is maximum from P&S under optimal conditions, A4 under common conditions.

So, I am grateful to Fuji to provide us with choice. You have no choice with other brands. You can't expose differently lights and shadows with other brands. You can't pixelbin before demosaicing with other brands to clean your image of the chroma noise without losing color definition.

So, pls, do not insist Fuji drops EXR. You do have other choices, do not make Fuji drop our choice.
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“There is only you and your camera. The limitations in your photography are in yourself, for what we see is what we are.” Ernst Haas

http://garyp.zenfolio.com/p518883873/
 
I think Fuji has been thorougly honest here. The way EXR works has been publicly explained for years in official documentation. And many people appreciate EXR's benefits. There is no fraud here whatsoever.

Of course, Fuji has been dishonest lately regarding lens in F300/F550, QC in general and of course the Orbs in X10/X-S1. But not regarding EXR.
 
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