photog7320
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You never understood the fallacy of your claims, and you never will.
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I thought I will never buy a full frame camera.
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JamieTux
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The same as the Nikon D3 series and D700 and the Sony A900 and A850...
How is taking an image with more pixels that have the same quality per pixel not going to give you better image quality? Are you looking at images or pixels Carl? I agree with others, if its pixels then the D800 is unlikely to make you any happier, save yourself a load of cash and get a D7000 or even better go for a foveon based Sigma.
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How is taking an image with more pixels that have the same quality per pixel not going to give you better image quality? Are you looking at images or pixels Carl? I agree with others, if its pixels then the D800 is unlikely to make you any happier, save yourself a load of cash and get a D7000 or even better go for a foveon based Sigma.
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You mean .... facts , not claims?
EDIT: Let me explain it to you in a different way. Say you have a bug in you camera who poops on the sensor. You look at a 10x15 cm print from your FF (enlarged 150/36 times) and you say: $hit! The same bug poops on your APS-C sensor. You print it 10x15 cm (enlargement 1.6 more) and you say: $hit, $hit! (not twice, 1.6 times, to be more precise).
Dareshooter
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Hmmm.... although both look excellent I prefer the look of the second shot it looks more photographic to me.The first one looks HDR like with exaggerated edges and is lacking depth because the shadows have been opened up a tad to much for my taste.
Having said that I wish either of those images were mine,nice work.
Having said that I wish either of those images were mine,nice work.
Dareshooter
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Actually if you'd checked the histogram at the shooting stage you would have noticed that the right side is a bit flat.You could have adjusted at the shooting stage or pulled the levels/curves in a tad in post.
--Don't blame the camera. And don't underexpose your shots.I happen having two photo taking in the same scene at the same time (60D clock was not setup correctly). 5D color pops up right out of RAW while 60D one is bit of dull and flat and I have to give extra sharpness and saturation but still doesn't match to 5D level.
The Hoover Dam at Nevada/Arizona border.
5D+24-105L
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sparkling elk
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i always thought i'll buy a FF camera -
and then i bought it, and then i sold it, the 5D2.
and then i got a 1D4, because of many things.
the D800 looks like a cabriolet with truck tires (please laugh).
of course larger sensors are better, but sensor size is not all what makes IQ.
at base ISO, i often (not always) prefer the IQ of the 1D3 over the 5D2...
and i dont think i get that from a NEX or G1X, but i cant compare.
what about Fuji x1 in this context ?
e.aland
and then i bought it, and then i sold it, the 5D2.
and then i got a 1D4, because of many things.
the D800 looks like a cabriolet with truck tires (please laugh).
of course larger sensors are better, but sensor size is not all what makes IQ.
at base ISO, i often (not always) prefer the IQ of the 1D3 over the 5D2...
and i dont think i get that from a NEX or G1X, but i cant compare.
what about Fuji x1 in this context ?
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e.aland
funny stuff from you Carl.
for me I've managed to skip the generation of camera bodies some live in 5dii, 7d, so now I'm primed to take the advantage and plunge into the newest generation - we'll see who has the best hi iso for the best $. I could also use a new generation 24-135 F4L- 4stop IS. If that is the 5dx + new kit L for $3500, I send my order in as soon as it is announced.
for me I've managed to skip the generation of camera bodies some live in 5dii, 7d, so now I'm primed to take the advantage and plunge into the newest generation - we'll see who has the best hi iso for the best $. I could also use a new generation 24-135 F4L- 4stop IS. If that is the 5dx + new kit L for $3500, I send my order in as soon as it is announced.
I think he is too shy to admit in public, LOL I agree this is a surprising thread from Carl who until now fighting vigorously against FF advantage.
But to save face, he is now arguing he only can see the true FF light and real FF WOW factor from Nikon 36mp D800. FF starts from D800 to him, LOL.
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But to save face, he is now arguing he only can see the true FF light and real FF WOW factor from Nikon 36mp D800. FF starts from D800 to him, LOL.
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Why the crop mode would give worse noise or less IQ if you print 1.5x smaller size? The ONLY thing you give up for less resolution is not able to print as large (but even 15MP still allows you to print very large). I can see why the completely biased and idiotic qian won't quit but I'm surprised that you still want to argue this.
Appreciate your opinions. I am trying to upload LR3 snapshots from both (but seems DPR in maintenance mode that I unable to do so at the moment) and will re-process both to make 5D a bit closer to 60D one while 60D one a bit closer to 5D. Put exposure aside, 5D one does show better in natural sharpness and color tonality to my eyes. Right side is in shadow so I have to pull a bit, and actually pulled more from 60D photo.
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Say you make a 20" x 30" print from 800D. Cut the center 66% out which is exactly what the crop mode will give you. Will there be any IQ change by the mere act of cutting that part out other than you got a smaller print and fov? Of course not. Some people either intentioally or untentionally are trying to make a simple fact complicated and ended up confuse himself and everyone else.
Dareshooter
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Just a thought,why not try a monochrome version maybe using a high contrast red effect ? Not sure if it can be achieved in LR3 but there's an option in CS5.
Adjust the levels first though to ensure you have a full tonal range to work with.
rhlpetrus
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I have the 12-24 f/4 Nikkor in APS-C and everytime it's on the camera I use it at 12mm most of the time. When the 17-50 f/2.8 is on I also use the wide end mostly, and find myself wanting it would go lower.
I think it depends on the photographer, some like UWA, some don't, so don't generalize your experience.
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Good shooting and good luck
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I think it depends on the photographer, some like UWA, some don't, so don't generalize your experience.
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Per Inge Oestmoen
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No, you would not.
You would however have a lens which could only be used with one sensor size.
Not a very recommendable solution, in my opinion. The option of several sensor sizes that are compatible with most of the lenses in the Canon lineup is in fact a major advantage to Canon.
Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway
Per Inge Oestmoen
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Yes, but you would not win anything in reduced weight - you would only lose the ability to have a useful lens for different sensor sizes.Thanks. Is it not possible to make fast super telephotos lenses dedicated to a 1.6 crop camera?
Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway
Per Inge Oestmoen
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No, because it is only in the wide angle area there is something to reduce here in terms of glass. In the telephoto area it is just not the case. The only effect would be that the lenses became incapable of being used with different sensor dimensions.
Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway
Per Inge Oestmoen
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Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway
I'd do the same if the choices are 5D2 and 1D4.
Fuji x1 is certainly a good possibility. Only thing is I need to be more careful if I need to commit to a system. That's one reason G1X is more or less on top of my list at this time.
Fuji x1 is certainly a good possibility. Only thing is I need to be more careful if I need to commit to a system. That's one reason G1X is more or less on top of my list at this time.
Why? Does that mean a 300mm MF lens can be made at the same size and at same cost too?
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