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cluna said:
But you cannot compare unless shot under controlled or very similar situations and scenes.
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yes you can. it is how pros have compared and chosen cameras since the dawn of the craft: use it for an assignment to take real photos that are representative of your work, then use your judgement.
cluna said:
Ill take a high iso shoot out side with my D700 and a similar with D3s and the D700 will look better . ...but how do think this indictative of real potential?
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user error.

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dave
 
sweetsonic said:
What makes the D800 specs good for studio use as opposed to event, wedding, macro, landscape, etc.? It seems like a great camera for just about any application. Maybe I'm naive...
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Where did you get the idea that the D800 is a studio only camera? The majority of sample images for the D800E are landscapes. The samples for the D800 are studio, wedding, and landscape.

As for studio use, a lot of high-end studio work requires 24 MP or higher. Prior to the D800, Nikon's only camera for this area was the $8,000 D3x, and it just barely made it in.

The D800 is aimed at the serious amateur landscape photographer, the high-end studio, premium wedding work, and other areas that require high resolution.
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Robin Casady
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Maybe you have the mistaken belief that all good photography has to be done in a studio, or that it takes a lot of formal study, but snapshots don't have to be bad photography. In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting. The infamous cover of LIFE magazine, with the sailor kissing the woman on the street at the end of World War II was just a quick "snapshot" that was apparently taken by a complete rookie, nonprofessional.

The point is... go ahead, don't be afraid and enjoy your camera. If, when it is all said and done, the only person that your work really pleases is you, then buying the D800(e) was probably still a very good purchase. :)

Bob from Ohio
Luke Kaven said:
Leos said:
bbbinohio said:
I think if you throw a 24-70mm on the D800 that it becomes a great "knock-around" camera that will do a fabulous job taking snap-shots of just about anything that you might bump into on a casual walk around town.

AND don't believe this tripod crap,
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I am quite certain that the D800 will not be a worse casual snapshot camera than the D700. And probably not better neither.
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Reams of flat nothing moments rendered with extraordinary clarity and vividness at 36MP...disks and disks full of it. Half-forced smiles...bored cats...birthday hats...kids showing off...all printable at wall size. Oh the humanity.

Of course, there is always the reduced size options. I'll bet it makes some nicely detailed-looking JPGs at 1000x1500 right out of camera.
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bbbinohio said:
Maybe you have the mistaken belief that all good photography has to be done in a studio, or that it takes a lot of formal study, but snapshots don't have to be bad photography. In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting. The infamous cover of LIFE magazine, with the sailor kissing the woman on the street at the end of World War II was just a quick "snapshot" that was apparently taken by a complete rookie, nonprofessional.
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Where did you get that bit of misinformation. That V-J Day shot was taken by Alfred Eisenstaedt, a famous photographer. You need to learn more about the history of photography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square
bbbinohio said:
The point is... go ahead, don't be afraid and enjoy your camera. If, when it is all said and done, the only person that your work really pleases is you, then buying the D800(e) was probably still a very good purchase. :)
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Sure. If you pay the money, you are free do with it as you please. Use it as a paperweight, or a neck ornament. Take pictures of sandpaper. Whatever pleases you, it is your money. I'm not being sarcastic.
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Robin Casady
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sweetsonic said:
Maybe a dumb question, but are people considering the D800 specs good for the studio because they're assuming strobe/flash use, therefore few low light problems?

What makes the D800 specs good for studio use as opposed to event, wedding, macro, landscape, etc.? It seems like a great camera for just about any application. Maybe I'm naive...
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ISO 50
 
Your work must be exceptional. I would love to see some of it.

Where should I look??

Bob from Ohio
 
I did find your work and actually, some of it is very nice. But I do hope you don't think that you need to be formally educated to do work like that. Or think that you needed to take a lot of time to set those shots up, or use some type of high end sophisticated camera to produce those kinds of results. Did you???

I mean... those ARE just simple snap shots... aren't they???

Oh, why am I kidding myself. You are an expert, you must know these things. :D

Bob from Ohio
 
bbbinohio said:
I did find your work and actually, some of it is very nice. But I do hope you don't think that you need to be formally educated to do work like that. Or think that you needed to take a lot of time to set those shots up, or use some type of high end sophisticated camera to produce those kinds of results. Did you???

I mean... those ARE just simple snap shots... aren't they???

Oh, why am I kidding myself. You are an expert, you must know these things. :D

Bob from Ohio
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I called out your error of claiming that Alfred Eisenstaedt was "...a complete rookie, nonprofessional." I can understand that you might be embarrassed over such a mistake, and angry that you got caught. Don't blame me. It was your mistake.

You used that false statement to give credibility to your claim, "In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting." With your example disproved, you need something else to back up that extraordinary claim. Trying to belittle me wont win you the argument.

I said you need some history of photography education. I didn't say anything about photographic training.
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Robin Casady
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Maybe you do not know most high end fashion work (Vogue etc) is taken under very controlled conditions.

It is likely to be printed at 600 dpi rather than the common magazine 300 dpi - to maximise tone detail in the magazine which is often very important in fashion photography.

Indoors or outdoors prior to the shoot the clothing, angles and background will have been carefully chosen (often by an art editor), there will be make-up and hair-stylists, electronic studio lights (including if outdoors), reflectors - and a team of people to make it all happen.
This is where the camera comes in :)

There is little point in having a team of 5 or more specialists on a shoot - and a 6 PP camera.

With medium format bodies now having up to 80 MP, at the highest print and magazine quality level the goal posts have been moving away from 35mm DSLR's.

The Nikon D800 and 800e move the goal posts back toward Nikon - at a very affordable price.

At a Nikon NPS roadshow during the week I saw two impressive 30x24 prints from a D800 with detail I cannot match from 17MP.

I make fairly big landscape prints. The D800e (my short list choice) will help make my best new work better - though I am not naive enough to ignore I will need to budget for an A2 printer and computer upgrade to get the full potential.

All this is not going to be cheap; but it will be a lot cheaper than buying medium format for those prepared to invest the time, money and develop their skill level to get the best 36MP can deliver.
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Leonard Shepherd

Photography could be easier - if cameras and lenses came with an increase in skill button.
 
Yep, you are right, I was mistaken about saying that it appeared to be an amateur that took that specific photo. (However they did point out that it was still just a quick snapshot , that was done so quickly that the photographer didn't even have time to catch their names.)

But none the less, I was definitively and clearly mistaken about that one, almost meaningless point in my post. However I was certainly not wrong about snapshot photography quite OFTEN being VERY EXCELLENT work.

Have a Great Day. :)

Bob from Ohio
Robin Casady said:
bbbinohio said:
I did find your work and actually, some of it is very nice. But I do hope you don't think that you need to be formally educated to do work like that. Or think that you needed to take a lot of time to set those shots up, or use some type of high end sophisticated camera to produce those kinds of results. Did you???

I mean... those ARE just simple snap shots... aren't they???

Oh, why am I kidding myself. You are an expert, you must know these things. :D

Bob from Ohio
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I called out your error of claiming that Alfred Eisenstaedt was "...a complete rookie, nonprofessional." I can understand that you might be embarrassed over such a mistake, and angry that you got caught. Don't blame me. It was your mistake.

You used that false statement to give credibility to your claim, "In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting." With your example disproved, you need something else to back up that extraordinary claim. Trying to belittle me wont win you the argument.

I said you need some history of photography education. I didn't say anything about photographic training.
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Robin Casady
http://www.robincasady.com/Photo/index.html
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sweetsonic said:
Obviously we won't know until it comes out, but it seems to me that it would be pretty much be on par with the D700, if not slightly better. That's why I'm confused why people keep pushing it as a studio (and landscape as well i guess) camera. Why can't it be used to great effect for weddings, events, portraits, etc?
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hmm, that would be saying something positive about a newly announced camera... isn't that against forum policy?:)
 
I would like to see some expamples to back up the claim, "In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting."
bbbinohio said:
Yep, you are right, I was mistaken about saying that it appeared to be an amateur that took that specific photo. (However they did point out that it was still just a quick snapshot , that was done so quickly that the photographer didn't even have time to catch their names.)

But none the less, I was definitively and clearly mistaken about that one, almost meaningless point in my post. However I was certainly not wrong about snapshot photography quite OFTEN being VERY EXCELLENT work.

Have a Great Day. :)

Bob from Ohio
Robin Casady said:
bbbinohio said:
I did find your work and actually, some of it is very nice. But I do hope you don't think that you need to be formally educated to do work like that. Or think that you needed to take a lot of time to set those shots up, or use some type of high end sophisticated camera to produce those kinds of results. Did you???

I mean... those ARE just simple snap shots... aren't they???

Oh, why am I kidding myself. You are an expert, you must know these things. :D

Bob from Ohio
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I called out your error of claiming that Alfred Eisenstaedt was "...a complete rookie, nonprofessional." I can understand that you might be embarrassed over such a mistake, and angry that you got caught. Don't blame me. It was your mistake.

You used that false statement to give credibility to your claim, "In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting." With your example disproved, you need something else to back up that extraordinary claim. Trying to belittle me wont win you the argument.

I said you need some history of photography education. I didn't say anything about photographic training.
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Robin Casady
http://www.robincasady.com/Photo/index.html
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Robin Casady
http://www.robincasady.com/Photo/index.html
 
Leos said:
OT, but what A2 printer are you buying?
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As I print some B&W Epson are front runners.
I want one with large capacity cartridges to get reasonable value for money.
Beyond that I have not made the final decision.

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Leonard Shepherd

Photography could be easier - if cameras and lenses came with an increase in skill button.
 
Robin Casady said:
I would like to see some expamples to back up the claim, "In fact some of the finest work that has ever come out of a camera was the result of casual shooting."
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Alright, you know and I know that it is very hard (if not impossible) to Google a question about the percentage of non-prearranged photos that turn out to be quite excellent works of art.

So, this is what I will do. I will post some of my own work, with these caveats...

1) I am certainly don't consider myself any great photographer. In fact, I am just an average Joe that shoots some snapshots once in a while.

2) I have NO formal training what-so-ever having to do with photography.

3) I can literally go YEARS without picking up a camera. And even when I do pick one up, it is usually for only a few dozen clicks or so (and that's for a whole year).

4) All of these pictures were taken with simple, cheap "Point & Shoot" cameras.

5) The vast majority of these shots were taken with the camera set to "Auto".

6) These are all JPGs.

7) I used no more than $45 worth of Microsoft software to touch them up.

8) Non of these shots were planned. In every single case I was just walking with a camera in my hands when the opportunity arose to stop and click a picture.

9) While I have been told by several pros that my work is "good", I am sure you can find millions of much, much better "snapshots" than these simple offerings. Like I said, I am certainly no great photographer, nor do I want to be. But my photography does please me, and believe it or not, that's all that really matters to me.

Now, we'll see if you have any real character, if you can be a real man like I was when I said... " you are right, I was mistaken about... ". If you can I should hear something like "Wow, I'm sorry Bob, you were right, these really are pretty good."

Let's see if you can do that. If you totally lack character (sadly like most of the members of this particular forum), you will weakly try to keep fighting just to save face.

So, we'll see...

Bob from Ohio





























































 
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