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what about a D700s?
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No. The D700 is finished. The D800 exceeds the D700 in every way (except burst frame rate). The ENEL3 series battery is going. It doesn't meet Japanese requirements for high capacity lithium ion battery safety (exposed contacts). Nikon say the D700 is still in production, but if so then not for long. They said the same about D100, D200, D2xs, D2Hs when they gazumped those models.
Perhaps a D800 with faster burst rate/lower mp eventually, but for now they're surely focused on establishing the D4/D800 (and quitting stock - perhaps including parts stock) of D700 and D3x.
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IeraseU
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I want them to, but I don't think they will. They are going to make us pay $6k for the D4 sensor.
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georgo
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They probably will. The question is when?
I don't think we'll see the D4 sensor in a smaller body but I do think Nikon will eventually fill the gap left by the D700 with another FF camera, especially if Canon enters this space with a faster 5Dmk3 with improved AF. A 36mp camera that produces 75MB raw files and is limited to 4fps is not a true D700 replacement.
It's worth keeping in mind the D700 came out a year after the D3 was released. Nikon won't want anything (other than the D800) taking interest away from the D4 for a while yet.
reginalddwight
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Not in 2012. Soonest, if at all, will be next year.
Nikon executives have been quoted in past interviews, including by DPR staff, that Nikon are trying to strike a balance between high resolution and high ISO capabilities in their DSLRs. The days of the D700 and D3s may be long gone.
Wait for the D700s at your own peril. IMHO.
Nikon executives have been quoted in past interviews, including by DPR staff, that Nikon are trying to strike a balance between high resolution and high ISO capabilities in their DSLRs. The days of the D700 and D3s may be long gone.
Wait for the D700s at your own peril. IMHO.
Robin Casady
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It has to be the D800 body because of battery regulations.
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It's also worth keeping in mind that the D4 would've come out last year if it hadn't been for some unforeseen disasters.
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Frank C.
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if sales of the d800 are no way near what the d700 were upon its introduction then yeah, expect a d700s with d4 sensor
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When the D700 came out it was a breakthrough camera in that it delivered something Canon had and Nikon didn't, namely a "FF" DSLR (Canon's 5D) at a relatively affordable price. It was consequently a big hit for that reason. Now the D800/D800E is doing the same thing, this time Nikon is responding to the 5DII and it appears that the the D800/D800E will be as big a hit as the D700 was in its day. A "D700s" wouldn't have as much appeal as the D800/D800E have because whereas the D800/D800E are filling an unfilled niche (one well exploited by Canon up until now), the "D700s" would just be an incremental improvement upon a niche that Nikon has already exploited.
I don't really know why it even needs to be discussed if the D800 will sell. The D800 will make hotcakes seem passe to folks with the means/disposable income. I should've committed earlier as I have no idea when people late to the party can get one.
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Frank C.
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niche? since when is the d700 user base a niche? a d700s with a d4 sensor + all the techno goodies found on the d800 would be a 'lil bit more than an incremental improvement methinks and worthy of a distinct model designation rather than 'lil ol "d700s"
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Yes, niche; as is the D800/D800E.
It is niche when you compare it to the D300, D7000, D5100, and D3100. Even the D300 is a niche camera as far as that goes.
Don't get hung up on the name. My point is that you have to ask yourself how many people who already own a D700, or who (like myself) passed on the D700 would buy a "D700s" instead of D800/D800E. My bet is that if you put them both on the market this March, the D800/D800E would outsell the "D700s." It's pretty clear that Nikon is making the same bet, and they have the added reason that they don't want to undermine the market for their D4.a d700s with a d4 sensor + all the techno goodies found on the d800 would be a 'lil bit more than an incremental improvement methinks and worthy of a distinct model designation rather than 'lil ol "d700s"
If I weren't feeling a bit trapped by Sony right now, I would just keep my A850 and be content with that, precisely because for me (YMMV) the D800/D800E represents an incremental increase over what I have; but if I were back to only having a D300, then I wouldn't hesitate to buy the D800. As far as I'm concerned, the D800/D800E is the right camera at the right time, and I believe it's another homerun for Nikon.
I believe D700s with D3s sensor and D800 body would be a good upgrade, and would make lots of D700 users + sports FF shooters happy, and in no way jeopardize D4 sales, neither D800. Key points are 6fps and high ISO performance. It would be a minor tweak for Nikon, but still a good seller, along with added video. And 12MP is just fine and it will be even after few years.
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Fullframer
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It's all about marketing, IF Nikon put a D3S sensor in a D700/D300 style body, they need to come up with a new name and not use D700S. That would make a big diff. Also the price point. It would have to cost less than the D800.Yes, niche; as is the D800/D800E.
It is niche when you compare it to the D300, D7000, D5100, and D3100. Even the D300 is a niche camera as far as that goes.
Don't get hung up on the name. My point is that you have to ask yourself how many people who already own a D700, or who (like myself) passed on the D700 would buy a "D700s" instead of D800/D800E. My bet is that if you put them both on the market this March, the D800/D800E would outsell the "D700s."a d700s with a d4 sensor + all the techno goodies found on the d800 would be a 'lil bit more than an incremental improvement methinks and worthy of a distinct model designation rather than 'lil ol "d700s"
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The jack of all trades, master of none, principle. Which means the higher megapixel sensor will do ok at high ISO, but not exceptional like the D3 and now D3S are. Still waiting to see the D4 vs the D3S sensor official reviews.
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I would agree that a name could make a difference, maybe even a big difference.
I would also agree, and it seems you are agreeing that a "D700s" (or whatever it is called) would at this time not compete head-to-head against a D800 at the same price. I would expect the sensors in either camera to cost more or less the same (the Sony sensor might even cost less), so the argument for the "D700s" is not a particularly strong one for Nikon at this time.
Later on when the D800/D800E and D4 sales taper off, then a better case for a "D700s" could be made. Of course, if Nikon comes out with a "D4s" (like they did with the D3s), then a D3s sensor won't placate the D4 or D3s in a D800 body whiners who would want the latest and greatest in a camera that costs less than Nikon can afford to sell it for.
There's no escaping that no camera will ever be greeted with universal acclaim. I do suspect though that the high ISO crowd will never be satisfied because something better will always show up, but I think the high MP crowd will probably be largely placated by 36 MP FX pixel density because it is hitting the practical limits of the format. I think it's a pretty safe bet that when the successor to the D4 and the "D5" come along, we won't be seeing the high MP crowd whining the way the high ISO crowd is whining now.
bobn2
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So, now we come to the problems. The added video is going to be 720p using the D3s sensor, so presumably the part of the market that wants 1080p will go with the D800, even though they might think it's got too many pixels.
Then the D800 will do 5FPS without grip at 25MP, so people who think 5FPS is enough might well go for the extra flexibility of the D800 even though they might think it's got too many pixels.
The high ISO performance of the D800 is about 1/3 stop or so behind the D3s, so people for whom that last 1/3 stop or so is critical might think that the extra 2 stops DR of the D800 even though they might think it has too many pixels.
12MP, while 'just fine' , and results in 5MP for a DX size crop, so people who think they might need a bit of extra reach occasionally might well go for the 15MP DX crop of the D800 even though the might think it's got too many pixels.
So the target market is those who want a Nikon FX camera who:
are happy with 720p video
want more than 5 FPS, but 6 FPS is enough
aren't happy with 1/3 stop less 'high ISO' than the D3s but are happy with 2 stops less DR than the D800
Are happy with 12MP, but don't find a use for 15MP crop mode.
What's the target price?
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