I give up!

His assinine claims were that if I own a D1x, why would I ever wasting my time with this "Toy" of a camera, the 5700. His other BS claims were that if I would just RTFM, I would then automatically know everything there is to know about F stops, Aperture settings, Exposure Composation, and all the things a "true" photographer must know. He absolutely scoffs at EVER using Program mode. See, he comes from an extensive film background, and knows all that stuff, even developing, but hasn't gone digital yet. I told him, among many other choice loud 4 letter words, that I don't have the luxury of a film background, and therefore must use Program on many occasions, to be pretty sure I'll at least get something acceptable to keep. Sometimes time itself doesn't allow for setting up desired setting parameters. a for instance, my Yorkie was setting in another buddy's arms last night, and I rushed upstairs, grabbed the 5700, turned in on, and snapped off a couple af quick shots. Had I taken all the time necessaary to set white balance, bla bla bla, I would have missed the shot entirely.

He actually had the nerve to call one of my flower pics "staged" because I wetted them down before shooting them. I responded with "Aren't almost ALL (non-candid)pics "staged' in one way or another, eg, using a sliver reflector on a model's left side at the beach, etc? IMHO, he's nothing more than a condescending, know-it-all, windbag that had 1 too many rum and cokes and enjoys talking out of his sphincter. And, of course, he's very jealous that he hasn't gone digital yet.

But, to sum up my feelings along the spirit of this thread, I am also am sick of, and will not EVER respond to, the naysayers of this cam any more. I'm with you guys on that one all the way.
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Steve S---> > D1X-CP5700
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/sshive2/

I'm getting tired of seeing it defended and offended, on and on, infinitum, and I don't even have one. People must remember, nobody or NOTHING is perfect. If anyone is so upset about a camera, they should get rid of it, buy another, and gwiturbellyaching. (Wish I could buy a new 950 - troubles were miniscule on that little baby.)

I know - it's tough to pay a lot for something and not like it, especially since most of you probably read everything you can before buying. There are always disappointments in life, and being upset about a camera is a minor one, I can assure you. You could lose your house in a fire, have a serious illness, and lots of other unpleasantness, so think how minor an inconvenice is of not being happy with a camera. Think of the good things it does and don't dwell on what you don't like.

One man's trash is another man's treasure, so keep cool.
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Muriel - 995, 775

Jarrell,

I know how you feel - it was that way when I bought my first digital camera (CP885). People keep complaining of issues with the camera that I never had issues with. The problem is you are not in battle with the merits of the camera but the capabilities of the camera owners. You WILL NEVER convince them its not the equipment. I elect to allow the politicians to debate an me to improve my abilities.

Scott

Jarrell Conley said:

This is going to sound like a very odd question, but do you ever
get tired of defending the 5700? I know I do. It's a battle that
just goes on and on and on and on. There's no end to it, that I
can see. So, the answer for me personally is to let you guys do it
from now on and I'll bow out of those particular conversations (I
hope I can stay out . I'm not mad or upset about it, just worn
down I guess.
Still, I was wondering if anyone else has gotten tired of it.
Jarrell
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Jarrell Conley said:

This is going to sound like a very odd question, but do you ever
get tired of defending the 5700? I know I do. It's a battle that
just goes on and on and on and on. There's no end to it, that I
can see. So, the answer for me personally is to let you guys do it
from now on and I'll bow out of those particular conversations (I
hope I can stay out . I'm not mad or upset about it, just worn
down I guess.
Still, I was wondering if anyone else has gotten tired of it.
Jarrell
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You don't have to defend your camera, Jarrell. Your photos do that automatically. A picture's worth a thousand words, eh?

When I get off on a rant about this camera it's usually because someone with an uneducated opinion, meaning they don't own it or didn't own it long enough to learn it, has decided to take the bull by the horns and answer questions about it. I see posts like, "I used to be a professional photographer and I say this camera is garbage!" or "I have XX number of cameras so I know what I'm talking about!". These are of the "BS" variety. I would submit, as a possibility, if they used to be a photographer but aren't anymore that they weren't that good at it? Or does owning several cameras make them a better photographer? Of course not! It becomes a problem when newer owners read these posts and lend weight to them that is not warranted. That's when I feel the need to speak up.

I don't have to justify (nor do I look at it that way) my choices to anyone but me and the same goes for you, but you knew that. It's one of the reasons I don't post any photos for critique, I like my pics (plus I shoot boring stuff). Isn't that all that really counts in the over all scheme of things?

Keep up the good fight, Jarrell. You're not alone in your endeavors.

Oops! Kind of got off on another rant, eh?

D.R.Barnhart

Jarrell, you lasted more than I could have.

I am fed up with the "silly" posts like the one you are mentioning. I only wish I had a quarter for all the low-light, convince me to buy posts. I have not posted here for a while now due to this frustration. It is hard to find a good thread through all this cr@p!

Jarrell Conley said:

This is going to sound like a very odd question, but do you ever
get tired of defending the 5700? I know I do. It's a battle that
just goes on and on and on and on. There's no end to it, that I
can see. So, the answer for me personally is to let you guys do it
from now on and I'll bow out of those particular conversations (I
hope I can stay out . I'm not mad or upset about it, just worn
down I guess.
Still, I was wondering if anyone else has gotten tired of it.
Jarrell
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Shy1 said:

His assinine claims were that if I own a D1x, why would I ever
wasting my time with this "Toy" of a camera, the 5700.

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Isn't that like saying if you owned a Dodge Viper you should use it as a daily driver?

[snip]

Steven S said:

Exposure Composation, and all the things a "true" photographer must
know.

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Meaning taking vast numbers of photos just to get that 1 or 2 that are great? Or setting up everything like lights, reflectors, models, etc. to get that perfect "candid" shot? Is that what you mean? (LOL!)

Steven S said:

He absolutely scoffs at EVER using Program mode.

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And he drives a standard transmission too, right?

Steven S said:

comes from an extensive film background, and knows all that stuff,
even developing, but hasn't gone digital yet.

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I still maintain that digital is new and that maybe it's not an advantage to unlearn what you know. Too many folks compare their digital cameras to 35mm which is mostly apples and oranges...

Steven S said:

many other choice loud 4 letter words,

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My favorite...

Steven S said:

etc? IMHO, he's nothing more than a condescending, know-it-all,
windbag that had 1 too many rum and cokes and enjoys talking out of
his sphincter.

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Nicely put!

Steven S said:

But, to sum up my feelings along the spirit of this thread, I am
also am sick of, and will not EVER respond to, the naysayers of
this cam any more. I'm with you guys on that one all the way.

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Like I told Jarrell, keep up the good fight. Half the time there's fun to be had just getting folks like you're talking about excited. There's an old saying, "You can't argue with a drunk."

Happy Shooting!

D.R.Barnhart

Jarrell,

It is tiresome. But the truth is the truth. LOL

I am always hoping that even the poster of such false information is learning something and if not maybe someone reading the post might be, maybe. LOL

Ron T

I purchased my 5700 in August and have never looked back. I don't need constant reinforcement of either the strengths or weaknesses, so I just skip the obvious posts.

The 5700 meets my needs and exceeds my ability.

Thanks to all who post their pictures and share their expertise; you are helping me become a better photgrapher.

As bad as the 5700 is getting it the 5000 got it worse!

I never understood why anyone would spend so much energy coming to forums to state how bad a camera is. On top of that half these people never used the camera. Just got on the bandwagon cause of what they have read or seen when trying to make a decision themselves.

Obviously they had a thing for the camera, or theirs. For those that did give it a chance and it did not work for them fine, but don't they understand that not everyone likes the same thing? Obviously there were people that liked the camera, but they were only regarded as trying to defend their purchase. How shallow can one be!

I think that all the cameras are great. They all have their faults, all have their strong points. Everyone interprets what they like and what they are willing to overlook.

I go to a few photo gallery sites where pictures are posted by very experience photographers. I don't any camera competition going on. Wonder why people take up that kind of nonsense here.

Ken.
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D.R. Barnhart said:

Oops! Kind of got off on another rant, eh?

D.R.Barnhart

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Dr. Barnhart......the real question is...how did you feel about the rant?....hmmmmm, I know I feel better.

It is suggested that a 12 step program should be started to deal with this "hayes" thing....I can't think of anyone with more compassion than you to help this process along.

I'm not really sure how this goes, because my addictions before this were limited to mundane things....fast cars, good food, religion, and of course politics..(and you're not supposed to talk about two of those...food and fast cars.)

But here goes, "My name is Bud, and I'm addicted to Hayes Island Cafe Effect". There I said it......what is the next step?

P.S. I know this has nothing to do with the thread....but with a name like DR....I felt I could get some free counseling.

Anyone else want to join the 12 step program?
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bud guinn
minolta slr, sony fd91, nikon 5700, digisnap, scopetronix

Jarrell

YOu are right. I have been posting responses to Matt Cromer on the open forum. It's just his proliferation of misinformation is soooo annoying. If he were speaking from personal experience, it wouldnt be so much a bother. I guess I should let it roll off my shoulders.

NAH!

Harris

Well if people want to believe that, I'm not going to slam my head against a brick wall trying to convince them otherwise. The situation is not that people have a problem, it is that they do not persist in discovering the process.
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Ben
CP4500/Viking 256MB/Dazzle CF Reader/PS7 & Elements
http://www.pbase.com/bnhoog/

are all correct. I remember when the 5000 first came out and an "internet buddy" in another state asked me what I thought of it. I came here and asked some questions, read the threads, looked at the reviews, admired some pictures and then foolishly told him I thought it was a good camera and ok to buy one. Shortly after that all the stuff about that model happened. Do you know that I actually started feeling GUILTY about telling him it was ok to buy one! I mean, I felt bad about it! Here the man was, trusting my opinion and here he comes to the forum and starts to read all of it and ask me questions. I almost offered to buy it from him til I found that he knew 0 about the camera, less about photography, and simply had a long way to go and was letting all the "bad press" deter him from learning.

That's when I learned to never ever say things like "yes, this is a great camera and the ONE for you", (which I never said to him anyway)! Mind you, he didn't jump me about it, but I could tell he was dissatisfied when only a week before he really like the machine. That's when I started asking him questions and I got to the root of the problem.

Anyway, I admire you folks that can hang in there and not be bothered by it. I keep hoping Nikon will come out with the new super duper "6000" or whatever and the 5700 will finally be out of the limelight....
Steve, it sounds like you almost got into a fistfight!
Jarrell

Jarrell Conley said:

This is going to sound like a very odd question, but do you ever
get tired of defending the 5700? I know I do. It's a battle that
just goes on and on and on and on. There's no end to it, that I
can see. So, the answer for me personally is to let you guys do it
from now on and I'll bow out of those particular conversations (I
hope I can stay out . I'm not mad or upset about it, just worn
down I guess.
Still, I was wondering if anyone else has gotten tired of it.
Jarrell
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Ken. said:

As bad as the 5700 is getting it the 5000 got it worse!

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That's an understatement.

It got really tiring (especially when the same subject kept coming up as an epiphany by someone who hadn't been around for the first 20 rants, and everyone else had figured out how to deal with it after the first two).

It's a part of the techno-crappola that's invaded many areas -- not just digi-cams. Gotta always have the best, the largest, the fastest, the most perfect, even if the only reason to have it is to do a one-up on someone else at 200% enlargement of some picture taken in the dark.

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Grant Y.

Jarell there is no need for you to defend it...just show one of your many GREAT pics you have created with it. That proves it can take great pics. If they can't get it to do what they want...they should cry less and read more. I've had mine since August and I'm learning more and more everyday. I bought this camera to learn & grow with. I think most just buy it thinking it is going to be a "dream" point and shoot...when it gets there...they realize they are in over their head.

Just an opinion of a Proud 5700 owner. LOL

Richard
http://www.pbase.com/bustamante/inbox
5700

Jarrell Conley said:

Jarrell Conley said:

This is going to sound like a very odd question, but do you ever
get tired of defending the 5700? I know I do. It's a battle that
just goes on and on and on and on. There's no end to it, that I
can see. So, the answer for me personally is to let you guys do it
from now on and I'll bow out of those particular conversations (I
hope I can stay out . I'm not mad or upset about it, just worn
down I guess.
Still, I was wondering if anyone else has gotten tired of it.
Jarrell
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http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=4033727
Owner and user of 990 and 5700

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Hi Jarrell,

What was the problem? Does he still have it?

Ken.
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http://www.pbase.com/ken_5

Hey Jarrell

Don't get too down about the 5700 bashing here. There is NO perfedt digital camera, just check out the Sony,Canon and all the other camera forums where you will find there will always be somebody that is not happy with their purchase. Most of these high end cameras are NOT point and shoot cameras, they are tools for the photogropher to use . Just as buying a hammer does not make you a carpenter. Granted the 5700 has some flaws as do all the others..it's up to you to decide which camera with which flaws meets your needs, then go out and learn how to use it to it's full potential and enjoy youself. I own both the Nikon 5700 and the Sony 717 and I love them both even though neither is a perfect camera..but then again..I am not a perfect photogropher either.

Eddie

Jarrell Conley said:

This is going to sound like a very odd question, but do you ever
get tired of defending the 5700? I know I do. It's a battle that
just goes on and on and on and on. There's no end to it, that I
can see. So, the answer for me personally is to let you guys do it
from now on and I'll bow out of those particular conversations (I
hope I can stay out . I'm not mad or upset about it, just worn
down I guess.
Still, I was wondering if anyone else has gotten tired of it.
Jarrell
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How to embed photos in your message!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1007&message=4033727
Owner and user of 990 and 5700

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Agreed. Even the high end D-SLR's have their flaws although not as many, I'm sure there is someone out there that is upset that they spent thousands of dollars on it. I was un-sure about my 4500 before I got it, but I am proud that I got it. There are a couple minor things that bother me from time to time, but I work around them. If people wouldn't make mountains out of mole hills about their problems, maybe they would see the pluses of the camera. People always focus in on the negative side of things. Human nature I guess.

Scott

Eddie said:

Hey Jarrell

Don't get too down about the 5700 bashing here. There is NO perfedt
digital camera, just check out the Sony,Canon and all the other
camera forums where you will find there will always be somebody
that is not happy with their purchase. Most of these high end
cameras are NOT point and shoot cameras, they are tools for the
photogropher to use . Just as buying a hammer does not make you a
carpenter. Granted the 5700 has some flaws as do all the
others..it's up to you to decide which camera with which flaws
meets your needs, then go out and learn how to use it to it's full
potential and enjoy youself. I own both the Nikon 5700 and the Sony
717 and I love them both even though neither is a perfect
camera..but then again..I am not a perfect photogropher either.

Eddie

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Bud Guinn said:

Bud Guinn said:

Oops! Kind of got off on another rant, eh?

D.R.Barnhart

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Dr. Barnhart......the real question is...how did you feel about the
rant?....hmmmmm, I know I feel better.

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Truthfully, I had much more to say but I'm trying to temper my dislike of the redundant, the illogical, and the uneducated. But I do feel a little better, thanks for asking!

Bud Guinn said:

It is suggested that a 12 step program should be started to deal
with this "hayes" thing....I can't think of anyone with more
compassion than you to help this process along.

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I, unfortunately, am not the one to treat this affliction. I have a confession to make... I too have the "Hayes I.C.E." Syndrome. I know it doesn't show but I do. You saw my first attempt and it has only gotten worse since. I should have "just said 'no'" at that point but nooooo, now there are even "H.I.C.E." photos hanging in my living room... I'm truly sorry to disappoint you.

Bud Guinn said:

I'm not really sure how this goes, because my addictions before
this were limited to mundane things....fast cars, good food,
religion, and of course politics..(and you're not supposed to talk
about two of those...food and fast cars.)

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After a few drinks I've been known to commit this faux pas also!

Bud Guinn said:

But here goes, "My name is Bud, and I'm addicted to Hayes Island
Cafe Effect". There I said it......what is the next step?

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As you know by now, I don't know of an effective cure for it. I'm just hoping it will run it's course and move on. In my heart I know I need to admit my addiction because that would be the first step to a successful recovery.

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P.S. I know this has nothing to do with the thread....but with a
name like DR....I felt I could get some free counseling.

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Always free but, just remember, don't ask a question that you don't really want an answer to! I learned to not to lie a long time ago, less to remember that way...

Bud Guinn said:

Anyone else want to join the 12 step program?

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Anyone? Please help us....

Waiting for Cure,

D.R.Barnhart