F600 EXR trial

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There is little on this forum about the F550 and 600 cameras, except for Kim Letkeman's very useful comments and references to his blog about the 550. I just picked up an F600, ran some tests of its features and compared it with images I have been getting from the earlier Fujifilm JZ300. After a few years shopping and buying three Canon P&S cameras, I find find putting a lot of power in one's pocket is Fuji's special strength.

The JZ300 was a neat little 10x zoom 12 mp pocket camera I carried around a lot. The F600 is a slightly larger and heavier pocket brick, has a bewildering collection of menu possibilities, and Amazon has it new and used at very good prices. I was attractred to the possibility of 16 MP, greater expanded dynamic range, 24mm wide equiv. and a longer zoom, and the more remote possibility of usable 3200 ISO. I was also attracted to the raw option it offers. I should add that my first camera was a Speed Graphic, so you can imagine that I value portability at my age.

My conclusions in brief:

16 MP is an illusion. The L files are bigger than the M files but offer no greater resolution. Lens issue? No, the JZ300 files have as much resolution. All start to pixilate at a little over 100% viewing. Anyway, many of the F600 modes require the M size file anyway, as Mr. Letkeman has made clear. (M results in an 8 MP file.)

The lens is nice, a little gone at the corners at full wide, not bothersome at web sizes, and the full zoom is sharp, with quite good stabilization, if slow. The Auto ISO 1600 (or 3200) makes up for that, nicely if the situation calls in only 800 or so, usably if you need more but will post-process extensively. (One's tolerance for grain rises with age: I am accustomed to Plus X processed in D76.) The EXR shooting options are clever and I am still experimenting with using one of them for quick response to varying situations. But the choice they give of High Dynamic Range priority or Resolution priority are meaningless to me because of the limitations of the lens/sensor/software in the camera.

Dynamic Range choices are mostly meaningless at 200% in terms of holding highlights and shadows. 400% shows slight improvement. But the real advantage of the camera, for static scenes, is its Exposure Bracketing option. Shooting at correct exposure, 1 stop under and 1 over (the max change it offers) makes it possible to far outdo the one-shot DR method, which works by exposing half of the pixels for less than the chosen exposure. I use the program "Dynamic Photo HDR5" to process these three exposures. I had already begun using this program with the JZ300, where I had to change the exposures manually and reshoot twice. Dynamic Photo HDR5 makes aligning the three shots possible in a manual operation that is very clever. Now, with the F600, the three shots, which happen within one second, can be handheld with no or little misallingment and are easy to check and correct in the HDR work flow.

I am posting two images done with in-camera HD 400% and with AE bracketing, three shots into one by the Dynamic Photo HDR program. It was hand held, and two of the images matched but the third needed slight alignment in the program. Although not a lovely picture, it is useful, concerning what is replacing single family homes in my neighborhood.

Low-light experiments continue, but I conclude at this point that the F600 will give me what I bought it for. One low-light shot, in a mirror at a restaurant, is appended, slightly processed. It is far from the quality of a good DSLR at this level, but usable, I think.











 
That's pretty good. My F70EXR is useless at ISO1600.
Mine isn't ;-)

Add some grain and print works for me. You won't get "big" prints at ISO 1600 but you'll get decent ones at 8x6"

F600 looks ok at it's reduced price point
 
That's pretty good. My F70EXR is useless at ISO1600.
Mine isn't ;-)

Add some grain and print works for me. You won't get "big" prints at ISO 1600 but you'll get decent ones at 8x6"

F600 looks ok at it's reduced price point
The F550/F600/F660 are pretty magical when shot in RAW and processed in Lightroom or ACR. DXO has confirmed that this sensor is one of Fuji's best. And yes, I know it's very small.

In my opinion, Fuji made a tragic decision to not just scale this sensor up for the X10. Imagine this sensor with photosite sizes almost doubled, that lens, and no ORBs in site.

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Dynamic Range choices are mostly meaningless at 200% in terms of holding highlights and shadows. 400% shows slight improvement.
I have found, with the X10 (and the F series should be very similar) that DR is most effective when shooting RAW.

I cannot say that it improves dynamic range, but DR400 will give you around 2.7EV of highlight headroom if shot at 0EV . Those highlights can be wound back into view with the supplied Silkypix software, and because the image was exposed at 1EV higher, there will be less noise visible, especially in shadow areas.

I find with the X10 that I never have to adjust EV comp because of the highlight headroom. Correction - on a dull or overcast day I will generally add +1EV to get the punch that dull days need, without blowing highlights.

But you will need to use RAW with this method, since the in-cam JPEGs can only pull back around 1 to 1.5EV of highlights at the same time. The JPEG highlights will always be somewhat compressed, but the RAW will be fine.
I use the program "Dynamic Photo HDR5" to process these three exposures.
May I repost your first photo after using the latest Silkypix, DSP5, which has an inbuilt HDR control? With 1 slider movement it produces a stunning result, especially on darker images.
Low-light experiments continue, but I conclude at this point that the F600 will give me what I bought it for. One low-light shot, in a mirror at a restaurant, is appended, slightly processed. It is far from the quality of a good DSLR at this level, but usable, I think.
The bar shot looks good. Did you use much NR?

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Cheers ;-)

Trevor G

Silkypix tutorials at: http://photo.computerwyse.com
 
Thanks for writing up your experiences with the F600. It almost makes me want to buy one! Although I already have an F550. BTW, your normal exposure with S-Curve applied, and saturation increased, looks a lot like your HDR shot.

The one below is amazing for ISO 1600. You didn't say explicitly, but I believe it is out-of-camera JPEG, post-processed. The bartender is very pretty! Would have been nice to see a smile on her face.
 
In my opinion, Fuji made a tragic decision to not just scale this sensor up for the X10. Imagine this sensor with photosite sizes almost doubled, that lens, and no ORBs in site.
Amen, brother!

As I recall, over a year ago Fuji combined their camera and sensor business units to save money.

They have a yen for Yen, I guess.

Seems like consolidation should have led to better lens-sensor combinations, but it did not.

Wish they would fix the hot metering, also.
 
The one below is amazing for ISO 1600. You didn't say explicitly, but I believe it is out-of-camera JPEG, post-processed. The bartender is very pretty! Would have been nice to see a smile on her face.
The cam is actually quite competent at 3200iso under decent lighting ... this was shot at a professional hockey rink and I shot the first 2 periods at 3200iso and then the last period at 1600iso.

Both of these were shot at 3200iso through plexiglass ...

F550 JPEG f/5.2 1/450s -2/3EV



Also 3200iso JPEG ...



This was shot at 1600iso in RAW, also through plexiglass ...



http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com/2012/02/f550exr-hockey-game-between-st-louis.html

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http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
 
F600 looks ok at it's reduced price point
That's where flaws can be overlooked, when the wallet rules :) my $172 F550 is an amazing camera, but at $300 it wouldn't offer me enough compared to another SLR lens. I know my F550 lens will struggle with some images but it's compact and competent in nearly all of my typical circumstances, and using raw it can surprise me. As Kim notes it's the class of the 1/2" sensor scale, and competes well with many 1/1.7+ models.
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a200 -> G1 -> K-5 & F550
 
You ask "May I repost your first photo after using the latest Silkypix, DSP5, which has an inbuilt HDR control? With 1 slider movement it produces a stunning result, especially on darker images. " Certainly. I should point out that the photo of the construction site I labeled "normal" exposure was in fact the -1 EV -- my error -- which is why, as someone pointed out, the two pictures are similar -- they are at the highlight end of the spectrum pretty much the same.

Is the Silkypix program you mention the one that comes with the camera on disk? If not I should find it.
 
In my opinion, Fuji made a tragic decision to not just scale this sensor up for the X10. Imagine this sensor with photosite sizes almost doubled, that lens, and no ORBs in site.
Not sure what causes the orbs I'm not overly fond of the lenses on these new models esp the wide end
 
May I repost your first photo after using the latest Silkypix, DSP5, which has an inbuilt HDR control? With 1 slider movement it produces a stunning result, especially on darker images.
Certainly. I should point out that the photo of the construction site I labeled "normal" exposure was in fact the -1 EV -- my error -- which is why, as someone pointed out, the two pictures are similar -- at the highlight end of the spectrum pretty much the same. I tried to attach the real "normal" exposure of that scene but it still has not appeared in my gallery.

Is the Silkypix program you mention the one that comes with the camera on disk? If not I should find it.
 
Are JPEGs out of the 550/600 any good when compared to equivalent cameras of other brands, or do you pretty much have to shoot them in RAW to get good images?

And how well do they perform in low light?

Thanks
raj...
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Just a Pixelpusher, currently shooting Fujifilm Finepix HS10
 
Is the Silkypix program you mention the one that comes with the camera on disk? If not I should find it.
Silkypix DSP5 is the very latest version. Raw File Converter, supplied with the camera, is version 3.

Compared to RFC DSP5 has a Dodge control, an HDR control (the one used here) and some other minor changes. However, for me, they are well worth the expense.





This result was really simple - 2 sliders plus the crop tool.

I moved HDR to 50, and adjusted the V perspective slider to -37 to get the sides vertical.

You can download a 30 day trial (no restrictions or watermarks) here:

http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/

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Cheers ;-)

Trevor G

Silkypix tutorials at: http://photo.computerwyse.com
 
F600 looks ok at it's reduced price point
That's where flaws can be overlooked, when the wallet rules :) my $172 F550 is an amazing camera, but at $300 it wouldn't offer me enough compared to another SLR lens. I know my F550 lens will struggle with some images but it's compact and competent in nearly all of my typical circumstances, and using raw it can surprise me. As Kim notes it's the class of the 1/2" sensor scale, and competes well with many 1/1.7+ models.
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Jim in Oregon -- http://granitix.blogspot.com
a200 -> G1 -> K-5 & F550
Yup that's where Fuji can appeal.

Though I've no interest in "upgrading" from the F70 being honest. If it died I might look at a bargain deal..maybe
 
I decided to test the statement that shooting raw in the F600 at 0 ev and 400 HDR would create 2.4 stops of headroom in the highlights. I used the Silkypix raw converter that came on the disk with the F600. I saved two jpgs from it, one at 0 ev (no brightness adjustment) and one at nearly the maximum on its slider, -3.4 ev. The scene in the washed-out windows was recoverable.

I saw no way to make an HDR image within the raw converter program. I took the two jpgs into Dynamic Photo HDR5 to make an image. One of the photos which I hope are attached is the result, the other the unadjusted jpg made from the raw file.

This was a test just of headroom. To make a better result I would have made three levels of ev adjustment in to the HDR program and worked on the raw file more. I would also have cleared off the sofa.







 

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