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Poll: 5D3 vs 5DX vs D800

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Edymagno said:
Let dslr's do what they do best. Fast rates and high ISo's. For megapixels you can always stitch or shoot big film. If you have the money go DMF. A dslr never ever will compete with medium format quality. Stop dreaming!
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Well I don't disagree, but you can come close to MF and that might be enough for ones needs, plus the benefits of versatility, portability, price etc…
Edymagno said:
If you don't agree with me, go buy a 7D or m43. After all, sensor size don't matter. It's all about Mp count! Right?
Eduardo
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I could say the same about people wanting a 22Mpix 5D with fast frame rate, why don't they buy a 7D or its next upgrade. 5D series have always been slow, HighMP bodies. And now with the Ds line discontinued some of us expect a new body in that segment.
 
...a 45pm 5D X with 7D AF would make my 1DsIII sit up and take notice and the timing would be perfect.
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The D800 looks like an absolute winner on many counts. I think Canon will have a hard time trumping it. My guess is they will surpass it, at some point, in the megapixel count but ergonomically and in some key functions such as Auto-ISO, etc they will not match.

So I have a D800 on order, I have a few Zeiss primes in Nikon mount that I use with an adapter on my Canons, that I will use with the D800. Still going to keep my Mark IV, as it a great camera to shoot and will be a nice compliment to the D800.

I have too much invested in Canon L glass to jump ship. But as of today with the information that is currently available, I will add a D800 to my system. If Canon makes an announcement prior to my taking delivery of the Nikon that merits reconsideration that doesn't follow Canon's typical 'almost addresses everything', I'd be happy to stay with one system and one set of lenses.
 
If Canon doesn't release an upgraded Body with Pro AF and Pro Metering, I'm selling it all to go to Nikon.. The current 5D II focus is isn't that good even in manual mode with manual lenses. It's focus confirmation isn't always accurate.
 
70MB (+x) rawfiles ?
finally playing around with crop modes ?
starting to take into account of diffraction already at f6.3 ?

D4 = ok
D800 = nok

i know, it sounds antiquated and i believe you that there are benefits of a 36MP resolution, but give me a perfect pro grade 5D with 18 or 16 MP and i'd be superhappy.
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Plus a few Nikkor AIS, mainly for landscape, maybe a bit portrait. To be funded by further selling down my Ls, and continue to par down my Canon gears. Too many eggs in one basket. Still hanging onto my 5D2 and 7D for now, may do an 5D2 IR conversion if/and after getting the D800E.
 
just an estimation after a research :
5D2: diffraction limit f11 (means: effect starts at f13)
D800: difraction limit f9 (means: effect starts at f10)
1D4: diffraction limit f8 (means: effect starts at f9).

so i was wrong, sorry.
it looks like my 16MP 1D4 is worse here than the 36MP D800.
bobn2 said:
sparkling elk said:
starting to take into account of diffraction already at f6.3 ?
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pixel size makes no difference to diffraction.

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Bob
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e.aland
 
Well i guess you would buy it for landscape ?
if so, i would not spend money for a 45 mp camera if the IQ is the same as 7d
i have both 5d2 and 7d and definitely for landscape 5d2 is far superior

unless canon makes a 30 + MP camera but with much better iq and DR than 7d i won't be upgrading at all
no banding please like in both 7d and 5d2 (being 7d worst also in that regard)

let s hope

matteo
Psychic1 said:
...a 45pm 5D X with 7D AF would make my 1DsIII sit up and take notice and the timing would be perfect.
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I'm just a dumb guy, but I don't really see the point of comparing two highly speculative† and imaginary sets of specifications against a camera that has been announced but no one has seen or used.

†That means it's a total and spurious guess having no basis in fact whatsoever.
 
I have no doubt Canon can match or surpass the mp count. What I fear is Canon won't match the pro-features in the D800. It is easy to put a big engine into a mediocre car. Producing a fast car that handles with finesse, takes more work.
Still, wooden dashboards and leather seats don't make a Bentley.
Eduardo
nicolas guilbert said:
Well I don't disagree, but you can come close to MF and that might be enough for ones needs, plus the benefits of versatility, portability, price etc…
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nicolas guilbert said:
I could say the same about people wanting a 22Mpix 5D with fast frame rate, why don't they buy a 7D or its next upgrade. 5D series have always been slow, HighMP bodies. And now with the Ds line discontinued some of us expect a new body in that segment.
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but thats what this forum now seems to be about either that or the G1X point and click lol
DotCom Editor said:
I'm just a dumb guy, but I don't really see the point of comparing two highly speculative† and imaginary sets of specifications against a camera that has been announced but no one has seen or used.

†That means it's a total and spurious guess having no basis in fact whatsoever.
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I haven't read the thread but here are my thoughts. As for switching to the D800....nahhh under any circumstance. Replacing my 5DII, 16-35II, 50L and 70-200II with Nikon would cost upwards of $9200.00 not to mention the loss on my equipment. Also Nikon has no answer for the 50L. Adding, do I really want monster files? No....adding a new computer to the cost as well as very large capacity CF cards. No thanks. Now for upgrading. Same goes for 5DX. No need for 45MP. Now the 5D3. Maybe if the IQ is significantly improved...very skeptical . I most likely would resist the urge and wait for the next round. Forget being an early adopter.
 
unless Canon comes with a 5D which is the "same" as the D800 compared to the D4.

Which mainly means a 1Dx with more MP, less fps mainly, smaller body.
I have put all my equipment for sale, Canon 7D + lenses, only one L-lens.

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sparkling elk said:
just an estimation after a research :
5D2: diffraction limit f11 (means: effect starts at f13)
D800: difraction limit f9 (means: effect starts at f10)
1D4: diffraction limit f8 (means: effect starts at f9).

so i was wrong, sorry.
it looks like my 16MP 1D4 is worse here than the 36MP D800.
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At a guess, your research comes from a man called McHugh, who is usually the name in the frame for spreading this twaddle.

Anyway, in the real world, the pixel size does not affect where the 'diffraction effect' starts or where the 'diffraction limit' is. 'Diffraction limited' is a term used of an optical system to mean its effect is limited by diffraction, rather than any aberrations. The characteristics of the electronic system that you put behind that optical system does not change the diffraction limit. Not convinced? Here is some evidence.

Lets look at the lens test results from the same lens, the 24-70/2.8 at 50mm, DxOmark.com on the 5D (12.8MP) and the 1DsIII (21MP). I've plotted the MTF50 scores for the two.





So, somewhere on here is supposed to be a 'diffraction limit' where the 1DsIII falls off a cliff but the 5D doesn't. There isn't, is there? In fact the point where diffraction starts to dominate aberrations (the curve starts falling) is the same on both (f/5.6) and al all f-numbers the 1DsIII resolves better.

This 'diffraction limited' idea is pure tosh.
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Bob
 
I am thinking of two directions.

1. Canon releases a 40+ mp $3,000 camera. I can sell my 1DS-mk3 for close enough to buy it.

2. I sell alll my gear and go mirrorless. This would be if I buy into the less is more concept for mpixels meaning 35mm peaked out at around 20MP. This would be attractive because it would allow me to sell my gear before 35 DSLR becomes the next obsolete camera format. In this scenario I stop printing.

A switch to a D800 is not on my list. At 16x24 print size, this only represents a change from 240 to a bit over 300PPI in prints. This means 35MM DSLR is not the answer for printing as I see it and MF is out of the question for me.

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Ben
 
bobn2 said:
I just realise there is no way I'll be selling that D800 unless Canon comes very, very good.
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Same here.

Two additional things that will be critical for me are built-in flash and f/8 autofocus. Given the 1DX and the leaked safari pics of Canon's new body, both are not very likely in the 5D2 successor(s).
 
I fear that too, it's what they did with the 5DII and "forced" many pros to work with junk bodies just because it had a good sensor and good price. 5D body is not much superior to 20D. Will they do that again ? I hope they surprise me. I don't mind it being a bit more expensive, it's a body i have to use every day in some years.
Edymagno said:
I have no doubt Canon can match or surpass the mp count. What I fear is Canon won't match the pro-features in the D800. It is easy to put a big engine into a mediocre car. Producing a fast car that handles with finesse, takes more work.
Still, wooden dashboards and leather seats don't make a Bentley.
Eduardo
nicolas guilbert said:
Well I don't disagree, but you can come close to MF and that might be enough for ones needs, plus the benefits of versatility, portability, price etc…
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Edymagno said:
I could say the same about people wanting a 22Mpix 5D with fast frame rate, why don't they buy a 7D or its next upgrade. 5D series have always been slow, HighMP bodies. And now with the Ds line discontinued some of us expect a new body in that segment.
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