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FTH said:
Lance B said:
FTH said:
260684 said:
FTH said:
This photo is highly overexposed in the background and shows nothing about true high iso behavior. I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight, but look at the darker shadows, they already smear banding and artifacts. Of course, everything is blurred so, it is "easy" to recover with denoise soft, but try this in dark situation, F2.8 to F5 (better detail) and you will see what I mean.

The D800 looks usable for 16x20 enlargements up to 1600 iso, maybe a bit above.
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Agree, not a useful test. However, have you seen the chadalier shot> 6400 ISO on the D800? It's as good as the D700, and better downsized to 12MP. This is a true test. If you are hapy with the D700 ISO, you are going to be happy with the D800, simple
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Yes this one is prett neat indeed. I downloaded the raw package but could not open the chandelier raw file in Capture NX. The exif from the jpeg files says it was shot at 1/400 and F4 (using the 50mm 1.8G) The room is pretty well lighten as well. The chromatic noise is recoverable with noise-ware pro or topaz, but again, this happens in the darkest out of focus areas of the picture, not on the ones where the light is at his best. The chandelier looks clean.

I would like to see or handle the camera and shoot between 1/60 and 1/200, in true low light conditions (like a concert) and see if there's no motion blur as well.
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Yes, but the motion blur won't look any worse than if you'd used the D700. What we have is the ability to get better than the D700, but it won't look any worse than the D700.

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did you even try to compare a 10 or 6MP APS-C sensor with the newer 16MP exmor ? You should, it is quite surprising how much my D40X retains more detail (texture and border sharpness) at lower shutter speeds, and please do not argue with the regular "user error" message, you will see that with the same hands, higher shutter speed is needed to obtain better shots. My point is, snappers who will use a higher pixel density camera for low light party shots will experiment those problems for sure and complain sooner or later.

I am a bit tired of this debate, because most of the Nikon FF shooters (not speaking about the non-shooters) here never experimented this. Reason is, they always shot with fat pixel cameras up to now (D700, D3, D3S).

Nikon started to ad VR on all his consumer DX lenses about 1-2 years ago, for this obvious reason.
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You're missing my point. You can definitely get better sharpness from the higher Mp sensor but if you shoot at 1/100sec with a 100mm lens on the D700 and the same shutter speed with the D800 the apparent sharpness will appear the same on both at the same viewing distance and viewing the same image size. However, if you zoom into the D800, you may get better sharpness from the D800 shooting at a higher shutter speed because you can extract more from the image. In other words, you can get more out of the D800 but I'll say it again, the image from the D800 won't look any worse than when taken with the D700. I shoot with the D7000 and I am well aware of high density pixelled cameras and know the benefits and limitations.

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FTH said:
cluna said:
FTH said:
I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight
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Not everyone is trying to use a camera to shoot in the dark. If you are trying to freeze time, minimize blur or need a vast DOF, the test is valid

There comes to a point where NO CAMERA is going to be able to capture a 1/125 with perfect results in a poorly lit room. The only choice for a perfect image will be long exposure.
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do not try to transform my words. I said the test is not valid because it was shot at daylight or pointing towards direct lighting, indoors (chandelier shot). The 1st test, close to the window is absolutely useless, many agreed with that here.
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I agree, the proof of the pudding is to shoot in poorly lit areas, I am not talking about dark areas here just low light situations where high ISO is really needed.

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lanef said:
FTH said:
cluna said:
FTH said:
I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight
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Not everyone is trying to use a camera to shoot in the dark. If you are trying to freeze time, minimize blur or need a vast DOF, the test is valid

There comes to a point where NO CAMERA is going to be able to capture a 1/125 with perfect results in a poorly lit room. The only choice for a perfect image will be long exposure.
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do not try to transform my words. I said the test is not valid because it was shot at daylight or pointing towards direct lighting, indoors (chandelier shot). The 1st test, close to the window is absolutely useless, many agreed with that here.
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I agree, the proof of the pudding is to shoot in poorly lit areas, I am not talking about dark areas here just low light situations where high ISO is really needed.
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Thank you Lanef, this is exactly how it should be done.
 
Steve Bingham said:
260684 said:
FTH said:
260684 said:
FTH said:
This photo is highly overexposed in the background and shows nothing about true high iso behavior. I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight, but look at the darker shadows, they already smear banding and artifacts. Of course, everything is blurred so, it is "easy" to recover with denoise soft, but try this in dark situation, F2.8 to F5 (better detail) and you will see what I mean.

The D800 looks usable for 16x20 enlargements up to 1600 iso, maybe a bit above.
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Agree, not a useful test. However, have you seen the chadalier shot> 6400 ISO on the D800? It's as good as the D700, and better downsized to 12MP. This is a true test. If you are hapy with the D700 ISO, you are going to be happy with the D800, simple
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Yes this one is prett neat indeed. I downloaded the raw package but could not open the chandelier raw file in Capture NX. The exif from the jpeg files says it was shot at 1/400 and F4 (using the 50mm 1.8G) The room is pretty well lighten as well. The chromatic noise is recoverable with noise-ware pro or topaz, but again, this happens in the darkest out of focus areas of the picture, not on the ones where the light is at his best. The chandelier looks clean.

I would like to see or handle the camera and shoot between 1/60 and 1/200, in true low light conditions (like a concert) and see if there's no motion blur as well.
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Have you seen what Cliff Mautner said? d3/D700 ISO capability. I'm happy. Extra res and the same performance ISO wise and the option to downsize. He's a reliable source.
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Ditto. Actually he is VERY happy with the high ISO performance. I mean the guy is a widely recognized pro and we are considering opinions from uncredentialed left field? Give me a break, please!!!!!!!!
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Well said.
 
FTH said:
Steve Bingham said:
260684 said:
FTH said:
260684 said:
FTH said:
This photo is highly overexposed in the background and shows nothing about true high iso behavior. I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight, but look at the darker shadows, they already smear banding and artifacts. Of course, everything is blurred so, it is "easy" to recover with denoise soft, but try this in dark situation, F2.8 to F5 (better detail) and you will see what I mean.

The D800 looks usable for 16x20 enlargements up to 1600 iso, maybe a bit above.
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Agree, not a useful test. However, have you seen the chadalier shot> 6400 ISO on the D800? It's as good as the D700, and better downsized to 12MP. This is a true test. If you are hapy with the D700 ISO, you are going to be happy with the D800, simple
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Yes this one is prett neat indeed. I downloaded the raw package but could not open the chandelier raw file in Capture NX. The exif from the jpeg files says it was shot at 1/400 and F4 (using the 50mm 1.8G) The room is pretty well lighten as well. The chromatic noise is recoverable with noise-ware pro or topaz, but again, this happens in the darkest out of focus areas of the picture, not on the ones where the light is at his best. The chandelier looks clean.

I would like to see or handle the camera and shoot between 1/60 and 1/200, in true low light conditions (like a concert) and see if there's no motion blur as well.
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Have you seen what Cliff Mautner said? d3/D700 ISO capability. I'm happy. Extra res and the same performance ISO wise and the option to downsize. He's a reliable source.
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Ditto. Actually he is VERY happy with the high ISO performance. I mean the guy is a widely recognized pro and we are considering opinions from uncredentialed left field? Give me a break, please!!!!!!!!
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Steve Bingham
http://www.dustylens.com
http://www.ghost-town-photography.com
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So you just READ AND BELIEVE someone who was given a free camera + worldwide publicity ? Good for you, I'd rather do my own tests before coming to fast conclusions.
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FTH I appreciate and recognise that, however it would dent his cred if the ISO performance was like a D5100 when it came out. He'll be being honest about it.
 
260684 said:
FTH I appreciate and recognise that, however it would dent his cred if the ISO performance was like a D5100 when it came out. He'll be being honest about it.
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260684 wrote:

, I was not quoting you ;) all I strongly believe is that those cameras need to pass some real tests before we can confirm anything. Promoted photogs will always tell that the camera is great anyways. I don't blame them, but it is good to stay realistic and the samples here are bad tests anyways.
 
Agree and plonking camera on tripod and remote triggering / self timing the shot - although camera shake may be still be present.
 
Very well said!
Lance B said:
FTH said:
Lance B said:
FTH said:
260684 said:
FTH said:
This photo is highly overexposed in the background and shows nothing about true high iso behavior. I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight, but look at the darker shadows, they already smear banding and artifacts. Of course, everything is blurred so, it is "easy" to recover with denoise soft, but try this in dark situation, F2.8 to F5 (better detail) and you will see what I mean.

The D800 looks usable for 16x20 enlargements up to 1600 iso, maybe a bit above.
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Agree, not a useful test. However, have you seen the chadalier shot> 6400 ISO on the D800? It's as good as the D700, and better downsized to 12MP. This is a true test. If you are hapy with the D700 ISO, you are going to be happy with the D800, simple
Click to expand...
Yes this one is prett neat indeed. I downloaded the raw package but could not open the chandelier raw file in Capture NX. The exif from the jpeg files says it was shot at 1/400 and F4 (using the 50mm 1.8G) The room is pretty well lighten as well. The chromatic noise is recoverable with noise-ware pro or topaz, but again, this happens in the darkest out of focus areas of the picture, not on the ones where the light is at his best. The chandelier looks clean.

I would like to see or handle the camera and shoot between 1/60 and 1/200, in true low light conditions (like a concert) and see if there's no motion blur as well.
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Yes, but the motion blur won't look any worse than if you'd used the D700. What we have is the ability to get better than the D700, but it won't look any worse than the D700.

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Lance B
http://www.pbase.com/lance_b

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did you even try to compare a 10 or 6MP APS-C sensor with the newer 16MP exmor ? You should, it is quite surprising how much my D40X retains more detail (texture and border sharpness) at lower shutter speeds, and please do not argue with the regular "user error" message, you will see that with the same hands, higher shutter speed is needed to obtain better shots. My point is, snappers who will use a higher pixel density camera for low light party shots will experiment those problems for sure and complain sooner or later.

I am a bit tired of this debate, because most of the Nikon FF shooters (not speaking about the non-shooters) here never experimented this. Reason is, they always shot with fat pixel cameras up to now (D700, D3, D3S).

Nikon started to ad VR on all his consumer DX lenses about 1-2 years ago, for this obvious reason.
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You're missing my point. You can definitely get better sharpness from the higher Mp sensor but if you shoot at 1/100sec with a 100mm lens on the D700 and the same shutter speed with the D800 the apparent sharpness will appear the same on both at the same viewing distance and viewing the same image size. However, if you zoom into the D800, you may get better sharpness from the D800 shooting at a higher shutter speed because you can extract more from the image. In other words, you can get more out of the D800 but I'll say it again, the image from the D800 won't look any worse than when taken with the D700. I shoot with the D7000 and I am well aware of high density pixelled cameras and know the benefits and limitations.

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Lance B
http://www.pbase.com/lance_b

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Very well said!
 
I have 5D2 and D700

But 5D2 has banding in Low Iso when I pull shadows. Although the wife loves to use it.

I wonder how's D800 low iso performance
 
rondhamalam said:
I have 5D2 and D700

But 5D2 has banding in Low Iso when I pull shadows. Although the wife loves to use it.

I wonder how's D800 low iso performance
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Banding at low ISO? That's unfortunate.

The D800 seems to have a slight bit of noise even at ISO 100, which is to be expected at that resolution, but hopefully no banding.
 
here are the facts:
  • the D800 is supposed to be the more modern version of the D700. Therefore it certainly cannot afford to deliver image quality that's not at least on par with the D700, at same physical image size I mean not same nb of pixels like in the erroneous comparisons DPreview keep on making as they still haven't understood ;-)
And, there has been technological progress in the meantime so of COURSE the D800 will deliver better IQ at all ISOs, and at high ISOs.
  • the D800 needs to keep an edge vs the D7000 little brother which has 16mp and delivers very clean output certainly up to 1600, and certainly still very pleasing output up to ISO 3200. The D700 enjoyed that edge over the D90 back then.
So again, unless you assume Nikon are crazy (and they're not at least as far as DSLRs go), then the D800 certainly delivers higher resolution even in DX mode, and cleaner high ISO.

I don't see why anyone would have doubted the high ISO capability of the D800.
 
FTH said:
cluna said:
FTH said:
I dont get people testing high iso shots in daylight
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Not everyone is trying to use a camera to shoot in the dark. If you are trying to freeze time, minimize blur or need a vast DOF, the test is valid

There comes to a point where NO CAMERA is going to be able to capture a 1/125 with perfect results in a poorly lit room. The only choice for a perfect image will be long exposure.
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do not try to transform my words. I said the test is not valid because it was shot at daylight or pointing towards direct lighting, indoors (chandelier shot). The 1st test, close to the window is absolutely useless, many agreed with that here.
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Just responding to your words with a valid rebuttal. High ISO has its validity in many lighting conditions and if it performs well in good light ,it will not go to waste.

-C
 
lanef wrote:
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lanef said:
I agree, the proof of the pudding is to shoot in poorly lit areas, I am not talking about dark areas here just low light situations where high ISO is really needed.
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In poorly lit areas even my D3s looks better than my D700 but still looks like crap. Crap light =crap photo.

If you have to debate and analyze to see if it is better, then there isn't that much of a difference.

-C
 
cluna said:
cluna said:
I agree, the proof of the pudding is to shoot in poorly lit areas, I am not talking about dark areas here just low light situations where high ISO is really needed.
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In poorly lit areas even my D3s looks better than my D700 but still looks like crap. Crap light =crap photo.

If you have to debate and analyze to see if it is better, then there isn't that much of a difference.

-C
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Let me put it this way : The shot was done handled, pointing at an overexposed window (3/4 of the shot, like shooting against the sun). You want to test it in well light conditions ? this is a terrible way to test a camera, even worse than in dark situations.
 
The LRv4 Workflow Speed / Change / Results will be interesting

Because a Downsample on a D800 RAW will probably not change my Workflow (what I do) ... just my settings.

Import via Express PRO card, Import to Lightroom v4 with a Pre-set by ISO (that preset will have to change, and easily done by camera), then Output in LR to the clients JPG size (which Lightroom allows me to do on a Pre-set) ... which probably will be sharper and with slightly less noise vs the D700 (my guess).

Only change, SIZE of file AND Speed of Computer.

We are in a year ... that larger files sizes will be handled "better and better" because of the Cost and Speed of the New Computers and SSDs.

Just my opinon,
HG
Chron said:
Images processed from NEF in Capture NX then noise quickly removed in LR4 and exported to D700 resolution.

Who says the D800 is bad at high ISOs?

ISO 25600 does not look that bad. ISO 6400 look exceptional!

ISO 6400:





ISO25600:



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