Work around for D7000 overexposure

I disagree. Went through several D5000s. Most all underexposed using Matrix. Later...tried one (refurb) and it was spot-on. You'll recall other simiilar complaints at the time. I don't think it's up to the user necessarily to dial-in - or + exp. comp. as a matter of rule. I also understand how others adapt using this and don't complain. Count me among the former. And no, this does not make me a P&S guy. :-)
 
I disagree. Went through several D5000s. Most all underexposed using Matrix. Later...tried one (refurb) and it was spot-on. You'll recall other simiilar complaints at the time. I don't think it's up to the user necessarily to dial-in - or + exp. comp. as a matter of rule. I also understand how others adapt using this and don't complain. Count me among the former. And no, this does not make me a P&S guy. :-)
Was your first D5000 your first DSLR?
 
Then I can just use AutoISO and set a min shutter speed. Otherwise I use Aperture priority, lock exposure, back dial set to quick iso and turn it until I get the shutter speed I want. I only use AutoISO when I'm shooting action and then I usually use matrix metering.

Once you have the exposure locked you can change ISO, aperture, SS however you like and you'll still have the same exposure. In manual if you decide you need a faster shutter speed then you also need to change either the iso or the aperture. Then I can make decisions like "do I want to go up to ISO 3200 or do I want to try shooting at 1/250s instead of 1/500s?"

I save manual for indoors with a flash and long exposures at night where i need longer than 30s. Otherwise i prefer to not have to figure out if my exposure is f4.5, ISO 6400 and 1/30 sec, what is that at ISO 100 and f8? I can do it, I guess I'm just lazy wanting the camera to do as much work for me as it can :-)
There is absolutely no reason to use manual for that when exposure lock is easier, quicker and much more flexible.This works best for a scene brightly backlit where the light isn't changing; you can use spot metering, lock exposure and adjust EC if required.

Generally I'll meter off blue sky opposite the sun and 45 deg up or the brightest part of the scene that i want to keep detail and adjust +2.7 EC.

Other useful tones:
green grass, grey stone, weathered wood +0
dark green foliage -1
avg caucasian skin +1
Sorry didn't read the whole thread but I'd choose a different metering method and put your camera in manual and zero the meter out. Test shot and adjust from there....

Bill
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Bill Wallace

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"I'd rather laugh with the Sinners than cry with the Saints"
COMPLETELY NOT TRUE.

What if I want/need a certain shutter speed to eliminate camera movement with a long lens, and at the same time I need a certain aperture for the desired DOF?

I shoot 95% manual mode now, with AND without Auto-ISO.
 
Then I can just use AutoISO and set a min shutter speed. Otherwise I use Aperture priority, lock exposure, back dial set to quick iso and turn it until I get the shutter speed I want. I only use AutoISO when I'm shooting action and then I usually use matrix metering.

Once you have the exposure locked you can change ISO, aperture, SS however you like and you'll still have the same exposure. In manual if you decide you need a faster shutter speed then you also need to change either the iso or the aperture. Then I can make decisions like "do I want to go up to ISO 3200 or do I want to try shooting at 1/250s instead of 1/500s?"

I save manual for indoors with a flash and long exposures at night where i need longer than 30s. Otherwise i prefer to not have to figure out if my exposure is f4.5, ISO 6400 and 1/30 sec, what is that at ISO 100 and f8? I can do it, I guess I'm just lazy wanting the camera to do as much work for me as it can :-)
There is absolutely no reason to use manual for that when exposure lock is easier, quicker and much more flexible.This works best for a scene brightly backlit where the light isn't changing; you can use spot metering, lock exposure and adjust EC if required.

Generally I'll meter off blue sky opposite the sun and 45 deg up or the brightest part of the scene that i want to keep detail and adjust +2.7 EC.

Other useful tones:
green grass, grey stone, weathered wood +0
dark green foliage -1
avg caucasian skin +1
Sorry didn't read the whole thread but I'd choose a different metering method and put your camera in manual and zero the meter out. Test shot and adjust from there....

Bill
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Bill Wallace

http://bwallace.zenfolio.com/

"I'd rather laugh with the Sinners than cry with the Saints"
COMPLETELY NOT TRUE.

What if I want/need a certain shutter speed to eliminate camera movement with a long lens, and at the same time I need a certain aperture for the desired DOF?

I shoot 95% manual mode now, with AND without Auto-ISO.
Seems like a lot more steps and menu-diving than I do.

Don't get me wrong, I use AE-Lock all the time, even in Matrix (since it's fairly heavily weighted toward the focus point in use). But saying there's no use for Manual mode? NOT for me.

Example:

I know I can get clean shots with my Bigma at 1/200, even at 500mm, unless something is moving too fast, so I set that. I want sharp shots, so I stop down about a stop or a little more, and I know my DOF will be fine there, too. Auto-ISO is on. Point at the brightest thing I want to keep from blowing out, AE-Lock/Hold (unless the brightest thing hits ISO 100 and STILL is too bright, then up the SS). Shoot. Shoot lots. Exposure will be close if not perfect.

Example, hand-held (in this case I had used -.67EV instead of AE-Lock):



 
Because back in the film days, uness you were shooting slide film, your exposure coulde be way off and you'd still have a reasonably good print. People didn't realize how much they were off by, the photo lab fixed everything for them.

Colour film you could probaby be off by ~2 stops and be ok, B&W you could probably be off by ~4. Sure you'd lose some detail in the shadows if you underexposed but most people didn't miss it there anyway. You were probably better off if you over exposed a bit.

Now with digital, it's the opposite, blown highlights are much more noticeabe than blocked shadows and you're better off in most cases to under expose by a bit. The result will be some increased noise in the shadows but that's preferable to blowing out the sky or a wedding dress.

If you shoot raw, you have a lot more flexibility. If you shoot jpg then you have to be right on, similary to shooting color reversal or polaroid.

Here is a photo to demonstrate how much you can under expose with digital and still maintain detail in the shadows. The top image is the ooc jpeg, metered for the sky (part of a bracketed set). The bottom image is after adjustments in LR3 and PS. Had I exposed for the shadows, the sky woud have been blown out and I would not have been able to recover many of the highight details.








Remember the good old days of film when you actually had to know a thing or two about getting the correct exposure? You had to know the latitude of your film. Now we have wider dynamic range and better meters, and still somehow there's always problems of overexposure and underexposure. I don't get it.
 
Because back in the film days, uness you were shooting slide film, your exposure coulde be way off and you'd still have a reasonably good print. People didn't realize how much they were off by, the photo lab fixed everything for them.

Colour film you could probaby be off by ~2 stops and be ok, B&W you could probably be off by ~4. Sure you'd lose some detail in the shadows if you underexposed but most people didn't miss it there anyway. You were probably better off if you over exposed a bit.

Now with digital, it's the opposite, blown highlights are much more noticeabe than blocked shadows and you're better off in most cases to under expose by a bit. The result will be some increased noise in the shadows but that's preferable to blowing out the sky or a wedding dress.

If you shoot raw, you have a lot more flexibility. If you shoot jpg then you have to be right on, similary to shooting color reversal or polaroid.

Here is a photo to demonstrate how much you can under expose with digital and still maintain detail in the shadows. The top image is the ooc jpeg, metered for the sky (part of a bracketed set). The bottom image is after adjustments in LR3 and PS. Had I exposed for the shadows, the sky woud have been blown out and I would not have been able to recover many of the highight details.








Remember the good old days of film when you actually had to know a thing or two about getting the correct exposure? You had to know the latitude of your film. Now we have wider dynamic range and better meters, and still somehow there's always problems of overexposure and underexposure. I don't get it.
Yes, because the sky was an IMPORTANT part of your image. What you've neglected to mention is that you don't want to blow out something IF IT'S IMPORTANT to the final image. However, it can work the opposite for you. For example, shoot a redtail hawk perched it a tree, in shade, against a pure white sky. If you try not to blow out the sky, you WILL lose detail in the feathers because of blocked shadows and noise.

It has to be a balance for the composition. I think too many people (mostly newbies) worry about NEVER having ANY "blinkies" on the rear LCD, which often works against ETTR, which as we know if the best way to shoot digital.

Not the sharpest, but illustrates my point. Sky is toast. Who cares? It was boring anyway.



 
Seems like a lot more steps and menu-diving than I do.
No menus involved, aperture on the front wheel, ISO on the back wheel, exposure lock on the preview button. I change the Fn button to Flash off, FV lock or AutoISO depending on what I'm doing. If you're not using a D7000 then it may not be quite as easy, sometimes I forget that :-) but the OP has a D7000.

I use manual when I shoot fim; the exposure lock on my SF1 sucks, there's no auto modes on my Spotmatic and my TLR doesn't even have a light meter :-)

Have you used a Spotmatic? THAT is a lot of steps to go through :-) The TLR doesn't tell you if you've exposed the film that you just advanced so you have to remember that you did that too or you'll advance it twice or have a double (or more) exposure. Operating a camera is so much easeir now.
 
Seems like a lot more steps and menu-diving than I do.
No menus involved, aperture on the front wheel, ISO on the back wheel, exposure lock on the preview button. I change the Fn button to Flash off, FV lock or AutoISO depending on what I'm doing. If you're not using a D7000 then it may not be quite as easy, sometimes I forget that :-) but the OP has a D7000.

I use manual when I shoot fim; the exposure lock on my SF1 sucks, there's no auto modes on my Spotmatic and my TLR doesn't even have a light meter :-)

Have you used a Spotmatic? THAT is a lot of steps to go through :-) The TLR doesn't tell you if you've exposed the film that you just advanced so you have to remember that you did that too or you'll advance it twice or have a double (or more) exposure. Operating a camera is so much easeir now.
Nope, never used a Spotmatic. Sounds like a blast :)

I guess we both just have different ways that are comfortable for us. I can't imagine NOT having the back wheel for SS, I use it way too much!

As long as we get the shots we're after, doesn't matter, right?

Cheers!
 
Nice bird, all i get around here are ducks and seagulls :-)

Yes you're right, not everything has to have detail but bright white areas draw the eye to them. That was just to demonstrate how much latitude we have now, how one uses that is up to them. That's what makes you a photographer :-)

There's almost always a compromise... if one does what i did above, then you'll be able to compress the tonal range but the detail that you recover in the shadows will not be as sharp as it would have if you exposed for it.

Sometimes you just have to go back another time or day when the light and admospheric conditions are better. You can't always just walk up, snap a shot and expect it to turn out great. I find matrix metering does quite well most of the time, I'm still in charge of deciding to press the shutter or not.

You ony have so much DR, you have to figure out how to best use it to capture your scene. Outside of that, you have to resort to HDR, exposure blending or grad ND filters where possible. I often try HDR but the light rarely feels right to me.

In those types of scenes I will often shoot a -2, 0, +2 bracket so I have the flexibity later to find which one works best in PP. Generally, I prefer to recover the shadows but LR4 has much better ability to recover highlights so I may try pushing that more.

Here's one I'm playing with. It's not done, I was working on increasing the contrast of the mountains in the background. I've shot it several times, I still haven't got exactly what I'm looking for yet. I can't get the sun, moon, clouds, air and me to all work together :-)

8mm, ISO 200, f5.6, 122s


Yes, because the sky was an IMPORTANT part of your image. What you've neglected to mention is that you don't want to blow out something IF IT'S IMPORTANT to the final image. However, it can work the opposite for you. For example, shoot a redtail hawk perched it a tree, in shade, against a pure white sky. If you try not to blow out the sky, you WILL lose detail in the feathers because of blocked shadows and noise.

It has to be a balance for the composition. I think too many people (mostly newbies) worry about NEVER having ANY "blinkies" on the rear LCD, which often works against ETTR, which as we know if the best way to shoot digital.

Not the sharpest, but illustrates my point. Sky is toast. Who cares? It was boring anyway.



 
Exactly. If we all did the same things then that would be pretty boring. I don't even have one way of doing things, I'm always experimenting and trying different ways. For everything I say, there is at least one exception, usually many.

You're not wrong, you're just doing it the hard way :-P I do that a lot too. I can usually find a reason why I should have done something another way. I work in engineering, I'm always trying to optimize how I do something :-)

I have a wheel for SS in M and S mode, in A mode i just consider that the EasyISO wheel controls both my SS and ISO. Then I don't have to go to the back ISO button to change anything. My main reason for not using auto ISO is because i change lenses quite a bit and I was always forgetting to change the min SS setting. I understand that the new D4 and D800 allow you to set min shuter speed as a function of lens focal length.

In addition to the regular manual controls, the spotmatic has a lever that you have to move: one position for focusing, then you move it to stop the lens down and meter the scene. Fun :-)
Seems like a lot more steps and menu-diving than I do.
No menus involved, aperture on the front wheel, ISO on the back wheel, exposure lock on the preview button. I change the Fn button to Flash off, FV lock or AutoISO depending on what I'm doing. If you're not using a D7000 then it may not be quite as easy, sometimes I forget that :-) but the OP has a D7000.

I use manual when I shoot fim; the exposure lock on my SF1 sucks, there's no auto modes on my Spotmatic and my TLR doesn't even have a light meter :-)

Have you used a Spotmatic? THAT is a lot of steps to go through :-) The TLR doesn't tell you if you've exposed the film that you just advanced so you have to remember that you did that too or you'll advance it twice or have a double (or more) exposure. Operating a camera is so much easeir now.
Nope, never used a Spotmatic. Sounds like a blast :)

I guess we both just have different ways that are comfortable for us. I can't imagine NOT having the back wheel for SS, I use it way too much!

As long as we get the shots we're after, doesn't matter, right?

Cheers!
 
Not sure about anyone else but I would find it useful to see some samples of these overexposed shots..

I'm not doubting they are over exposed or the metering issues are present (seen a few complaints on this)
They're like the dpreview samples. RAW, aperture priority, 12-bit compressed NEF images, camera centered dead at 0EV, matrix metering. Highlights get blown, apparently it was explained that after a certain level of brightness (super sunny days as we get on the beach in Florida with the sand or ocean reflecting the light) the camera tends to blow the matrix metering and you need center-weighted-average. I was more concerned with WHY that was happening, or why I suddenly had to switch to center weighted average when every other camera seemed to have no trouble with matrix metering in similar situations.
All recent consumer level Nikons have been reported to do this, especially with the 18 - 105 kit lens (no such problem with my 70 - 300). I dial in -1/3 to - 2/3 EV in the sun with this lens. I'd prefer Nikon got it right.

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D5000 - Nikkor AF-S DX 18-105mm F/3.5-5.6G ED VR - Nikkor AF-S 50mm f/1.4 G - Nikkor AF-S 70-300mm VR - Canon PowerShot S95 - Canon PowerShot S3
 
All recent consumer level Nikons have been reported to do this, especially with the 18 - 105 kit lens (no such problem with my 70 - 300). I dial in -1/3 to - 2/3 EV in the sun with this lens. I'd prefer Nikon got it right.
What would the lens have to do with it? Bar a stuck aperture mechanism I can't see how that can contribute to overexposure
 
There's a very good series of 3 videos explaining this phenomena at "testcams.com"

Long story short, in most cases your D7000 is not technically over exposing. For my self, since I shoot mostly in bright high contrast light I've used the fine tune feature to set my meter to negative one third.I strongly recommend seeing those videos though, because they will help you understand exactly what it is your camera is doing. They run about 15 minutes total, and are titled something like "does the D 7000 over expose".
 
There's a very good series of 3 videos explaining this phenomena at "testcams.com"

Long story short, in most cases your D7000 is not technically over exposing. For my self, since I shoot mostly in bright high contrast light I've used the fine tune feature to set my meter to negative one third.I strongly recommend seeing those videos though, because they will help you understand exactly what it is your camera is doing. They run about 15 minutes total, and are titled something like "does the D 7000 over expose".
http://testcams.com/blog/2011/04/25/does-the-d7000-overexpose/
 
My solution is to use the - compensation more in bright conditions, check the Histogram to make sure majority of detail is in centre (not 2 bright / dull), shoot raw (so I can bring back enough details back if I overexpose).

Also for some shots I take multiple exposures like HDR exposure and keep the one that represent to me the actual shot that match the conditions.

All in all the D7000 is a great camera - really enjoy using this along with my D300s.
 

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