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dgrogers said:
illy said:
i also think Mr Wong is talking out of his @rse on the subject of Dslr blackouts, but then again i'm not promoting Olympus.
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Well, he's hardly the first person to mention it. I guess it's possible this was a bigger problem on older DSLRs.
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Dslr blackout seems to have become a problem since the rise of EVF's, I've never heard anyone i know mention it before and i don't think i've seen many if any threads about it on the forums, but then again i wasn't looking for this kind of thread because it never was a problem
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I am not the best suited to answer because I shoot SAF only. However I did some trials with my Pens.

If you are in drive mode and shoot a sequence in SAF the camera won't change the focus, until the end of the sequence.

If you are in CAF the lens will change focus constantly, at least if you use only the center square.

In CAF+tracking a green square appears, and if you frame with it a moving object, the green square will follow it even if you don't change the frame.

I think the OM-D improves on the latter, by allowing a faster tracking, with no black out in sequential shooting. I hope that reviewers make an in depth report on this, tellling how practical it is.

If it is, it might be a severe blow to the dSLR camera, and the crowning of mirrorless. Therefore the importance of an assessment.

People don't even expect it, and therefore Mr. Teaada went to great lengths to explain it, but he is not very fluent in English, or a bit reticent.

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I've never looked through a 7D VF, but I found this comment in a review:

Shutter-lag is virtually inexistent, as is blackout time. It is so fast, the viewfinder does not seem to go black, only dim a little for a fraction of a second.

http://www.neocamera.com/camera/canon/7d/review/performance

Julie
illy said:
dgrogers said:
illy said:
i also think Mr Wong is talking out of his @rse on the subject of Dslr blackouts, but then again i'm not promoting Olympus.
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Well, he's hardly the first person to mention it. I guess it's possible this was a bigger problem on older DSLRs.
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Dslr blackout seems to have become a problem since the rise of EVF's, I've never heard anyone i know mention it before and i don't think i've seen many if any threads about it on the forums, but then again i wasn't looking for this kind of thread because it never was a problem
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Blackout was discussed in many reviews. Again, I don't think it's a problem anymore (probably since the digital age, hence the lack off threads) but it obviously was at one time because reviews from 10 years or so ago made a big deal it.
illy said:
Dslr blackout seems to have become a problem since the rise of EVF's, I've never heard anyone i know mention it before and i don't think i've seen many if any threads about it on the forums, but then again i wasn't looking for this kind of thread because it never was a problem
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d3xmeister said:
Raymond Wardenaer said:
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amalric said:
We'll see but it might be quite a blow to the dSLR superiority assumption.
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Nikon already has tracking for a long time using RGB WB sensor and it is getting better (now they have face recognition for example)...
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My colleges at the European Championships in Beach Volleyball last summer, told me they could get sharp images shooting players moving towards them. For me, with E-5, this has not been possible.

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For me it was. My E-5 was surprisingly good in C-AF, even when using slower lenses like the 35-100mm f2. I shot fast planes coming towards me, and got very high keeper rate. I also shot rally, motocross, and the same, very good C-AF. Amazing actually, because by reding these forums it seemed the Oly cannot do C-AF.
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A plane is no problems. A beach volleyball player is. I tried C-AF, but found that I had to use S-AF. Did you take a look at my images? Please do:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40546876
and in the bottom link here.
d3xmeister said:
The key for me was to use Diamond AF, AF-Lock ON, Release Priority OFF, and let the camera ,,catch,, the focus before releasing the bursts.
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I did a little searching, and it turns out that blackout was something of a problem in the very early DSLRS, like the Nikon D1/D1H/D2H and the Canon 1D. These are all cameras from 2000 and 2001. The issue was resolved with the generation that followed (D2H/D2X for Nikon, and, um, whatever for Canon. I can never keep their models straight. :) 1Ds, maybe?). This would be ca. 2003.

Julie
dgrogers said:
Blackout was discussed in many reviews. Again, I don't think it's a problem anymore (probably since the digital age, hence the lack off threads) but it obviously was at one time because reviews from 10 years or so ago made a big deal it.
illy said:
Dslr blackout seems to have become a problem since the rise of EVF's, I've never heard anyone i know mention it before and i don't think i've seen many if any threads about it on the forums, but then again i wasn't looking for this kind of thread because it never was a problem
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Hopefully this would solve my only frustration with my GH2: BIF.

I love the GH2, but this would be the reason to go to Oly.

What do you think?
 
I tracked cars comming towards me at about 50mph and from far away until the whole frame was almost filled with the licence plate number, the E-5 tracked very well.

I am still not convinced that the E-5 cannot track when mine did everytime I needed to.

And I don't know if you realise this, but the Nikon D3 sucks at tracking too without good technique and setup. Go to Nikon forum and you will see many complains. If you know how to do it, the camera shines.
 
Nikon and Canon time the release cycles of their pro cameras around the Olympics. Maybe at the 2050 games we will see more m43 cameras in use.
millsart said:
If at this summers Olympic games we see lots of Olympus OM-D's instead of Canon 1Dx's, Nikon D4's and D800's, then I guess thats all the more proof anyone would need that its a viable sports photographers tool, good enough for the biggest stage in the world.

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Even the whole device 3D tracking, FAST AF, high fps rate and EVF refresh is not seamless, just to have a mirrorless with no black out and no delay would be a big step forward.

Add the other elements and it is rather impressive. If not perfect, it'll be better at the right iteration.

The important thing IMHO is that dSLR loses one of its main avantages: fast action.
Scepticism I admit, but sarcasm, in this case, is really tasteless.

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Sarcasm in the case of human tragedy such as an earthquake or flood, where people lost not only their belongings but also their friends and loved one ? Tasteless yes of course

Sarcasm in the case of a child or animal being harmed ? Tasteless, yes

Sarcasm though in the case of a consumer electronic item ? Tasteless ? Are you serious ? Wow...... some peoples priorities in life are pretty screwed up if comments about an inanimate luxury item with no feelings actually offend them.
amalric said:
The important thing IMHO is that dSLR loses one of its main avantages: fast action.
Scepticism I admit, but sarcasm, in this case, is really tasteless.

Am.
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Why? Hypocrites are such even in very small things.

Am.
millsart said:
Sarcasm in the case of human tragedy such as an earthquake or flood, where people lost not only their belongings but also their friends and loved one ? Tasteless yes of course

Sarcasm in the case of a child or animal being harmed ? Tasteless, yes

Sarcasm though in the case of a consumer electronic item ? Tasteless ? Are you serious ? Wow...... some peoples priorities in life are pretty screwed up if comments about an inanimate luxury item with no feelings actually offend them.
amalric said:
The important thing IMHO is that dSLR loses one of its main avantages: fast action.
Scepticism I admit, but sarcasm, in this case, is really tasteless.

Am.
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illy said:
amalric said:
The important thing IMHO is that dSLR loses one of its main avantages: fast action.
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then it just needs some decent telephoto lenses to take advantage of this
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Even if the EM5 was functionally similar to the E5.. it will meet the same fate as 43 and still wont be used for sports. The whole 300/2.8 = 600/2.8 just doesnt really fly when youre spending $5k+ for pro teles.
 
Jogger said:
illy said:
amalric said:
The important thing IMHO is that dSLR loses one of its main avantages: fast action.
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Jogger said:
then it just needs some decent telephoto lenses to take advantage of this
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Even if the EM5 was functionally similar to the E5.. it will meet the same fate as 43 and still wont be used for sports. The whole 300/2.8 = 600/2.8 just doesnt really fly when youre spending $5k+ for pro teles.
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If the camera can do 6400 ISO with little or no noise we won't need them.

Besides 'Sports' is just a tag. There are a lot of other uses for a FAST AF no lag, no blackout camera.

I look forward to use it with the new Tamron 300/6.3 hand held to check the effectiveness of the 5 axis IBIS. And that just an example. Panny's 35-100 f/2.8 (?) might also be terrific.

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windsprite said:
1) I'll believe it when I see it.

2) A 12-50-mm f3.5-6.3 is not my idea of a sports lens.

Julie
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I wondered if the 75-300's reputed slow focus at full stretch (and its a costly lens compared to most m43s I think) may have always been intended for this focus system? Such systems can take time to develop, and perhaps there were delays which caused the lens to come out way before the new focusing tech.

Still the 75-300mm even if it does focus well on the OM-D, is not weatherproof. IMO you need that for sports too. And its too dark for night sports ... oh well ...
 
amalric said:
Performance of 4/3 lenses is not under discussion here, so this is a very lame attempt to hijack the discussion with no argument at all.

It is indeed clear that we are discussing the E-M5 performance with native m4/3 lenses.

Nice try, as they say. 1022 is your best hope for whining.

Am.
rovingtim said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40589775
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. . . In that link (paraphrasing) it's stated that only recently released MSC rated m.Zuikos are going to have the faster AF and 3D tracking capability but in reality, all currently available m.Zuiko lenses are rated MSC except for the 17/2.8.
 
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