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Nikon D800: A fact and a curiosity.

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candleJack said:
I guess that was aimed at me. So why do you think Canon show average images as samples for their top $ gear?
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Yes, when typing a reply, instead of quoting someone, all previous posts are hidden, hence i forgot your name. :) Why canon shows medicore images, i'm not sure. That's the odd part. (flaws?, but that's speculating. I see what i see and can judge on that. And that is what everyone else can do, except for John "Tzimotzeng" Doe that is spotted with a copy in Kenia. And a hand full of employees that swore on their life to keep their mouths shut.)
candleJack said:
By the way, as history has shown, when cameras reach the end users, after a very short period of time, images surface that are much better than the ones provided by Canon. At the same time we can expect that those images are carefully selected and processed by their authors. They are not necessarily representative of the camera quality, because they involve a lot of artistic qualities, post-processing and maybe even luck. So, really, it's been clear for a long time that the Canon cameras can indeed do better than shown by Canon themselves.
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Without a doubt i believe the 1dx can do better than the provided samples (if not, this forum would be burnt down already)
candleJack said:
What Canon show are out-of-camera jpegs that you, the average user, would take with this camera on average, during an assignment. Do you expect all photos to be perfectly focused, perfectly sharp, perfectly exposed? Do you not miss, do you not process? I think it's reasonable to offer the photographer a glimpse of the camera, minus the photographer ..in a sense.
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I do all of the above, and shoot many medicore images, but i don't post them, especially not when working for a brand showing what their product can do. Have you ever seen an image of a "real" hamburger at a fastfood restaurant? Will you stay hungry after seeing what a real burger looks like?
candleJack said:
However, I'm with you, I'd prefer to see a "best of" type image, like Nikon produces. But maybe for the working pro, the Canon samples are more useful.
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A professional is someone getting paid for their work, i don't see any difference between me and a pro, aside from the fact that the pro is getting paid.
candleJack said:
Best regards,
Alex
Marcus Antonius said:
p.s. and the statement from ppl that "this is the way canon profiles itself" is obviously complete cornflakes. You don't post OOF and underexposed shots and tell your customers, this is what our new high end top dollar model can do for you.

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We make a stand now, or there will be nobody left to go to the chopper..
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Marcus Antonius said:
candleJack said:
I guess that was aimed at me. So why do you think Canon show average images as samples for their top $ gear?
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Yes, when typing a reply, instead of quoting someone, all previous posts are hidden, hence i forgot your name. :)
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Yes, that has bothered me before on these forums too.
Marcus Antonius said:
Marcus Antonius said:
However, I'm with you, I'd prefer to see a "best of" type image, like Nikon produces. But maybe for the working pro, the Canon samples are more useful.
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A professional is someone getting paid for their work, i don't see any difference between me and a pro, aside from the fact that the pro is getting paid.
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The difference between you and a pro is that a pro has to produce . If you or I don't like what the shots we got, we can just trash them and wait to shoot another day. The pro usually doesn't have this option, so the average performance is important to him, while for us the peak performance might be more important. Just my thoughts.
Marcus Antonius said:
Marcus Antonius said:
Best regards,
Alex
Marcus Antonius said:
p.s. and the statement from ppl that "this is the way canon profiles itself" is obviously complete cornflakes. You don't post OOF and underexposed shots and tell your customers, this is what our new high end top dollar model can do for you.

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Marcus Antonius said:
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Marcus Antonius said:
Marcus Antonius said:
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PhotoKhan said:
This is sheer quality, no mater what:

(Full size photo here: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/products/camera/slr/digital/d800/img/sample01/img_01_l
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...but look at the time stamp: 10th of July 2011 !

This goes to show how wrong some posters here are with their " now XYZ brand will have to leap-frog ZYX with their coming offer "...These are long , much pondered, carefully evolving cycles (as I already suspected) not to be fundamentally changed at the last minute.

...Something that, by the way, only makes the "blackout" of any 1DX output even more worrying.

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You did not understand what I said.

I did not say that it was better than the Nikon..

I said that the pictures on the site taken with the Canon lens do not do it justice.

If you have used the lens then surely you must know this.....
 
...because there is no increase in resolution, and a slight decrease for 1DsIII/5DII owners. Sample #2 at ISO 1600 looks great for noise, shadow noise, banding, and probably other things. Better than my 5DII I'd say. The resolution looks better than the 5DII at 1600, but in terms of resolution it does not show me anything I have not already seen with my 5DII at lower ISO. With the D800 you are going to see things you've never seen before, but it's meaningless unless your prints are measured in yards/meters, or stories.
PhotoKhan said:
...First no samples to be seen, then, when they finally do show up, they fail astonishingly short of impressing anyone who's being into this DSLR thing for any significant time.

Meanwhile, the Nikon D800 samples just rock...

...I am a bit apprehensive has to how this double Canon launch (1DX, "5DMKIII") will end.

PK

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candleJack said:
The difference between you and a pro is that a pro has to produce . If you or I don't like what the shots we got, we can just trash them and wait to shoot another day. The pro usually doesn't have this option, so the average performance is important to him, while for us the peak performance might be more important. Just my thoughts.
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I think you mean journalists? In my opinion, wedding photographers and photographers that shoot for magazines are also professionals and do like to get max IQ. Anyway, if i don't like my pics being shot from a city trip a few thousand (and even the few hundred) miles away i feel i have failed just as much as i would when my contractor didn't like them, the difference is that i didn't lose money "on the job", except that it ruined my trip and in a sense the money spent on that trip. (thankfully that never happened, because i always made sure i had the best equipment possible with me, ofcouse compared to the available budget). The only thing i sometimes regret afterwards is that when i see a shot i took ik LR is that "if i only took a little more time to compose for this or that, the shot would have been a winner"... but ok that's another story.
 
if that is what you meant, i have misunderstand.
systemguy said:
You did not understand what I said.

I did not say that it was better than the Nikon..

I said that the pictures on the site taken with the Canon lens do not do it justice.

If you have used the lens then surely you must know this.....
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That's exactly how I feel as well.. the last part I mean. Maybe that's why I'm still happy with my 1D2n and 5d.. usually, when I don't like a photo I took, it's because I didn't do my job, not the camera. Sure, a little extra detail, less noise (oh boy) or slightly better focus would help, but the impact is marginal compared to better composition, lighting, not to mention better subject. :)

Best regards,
Alex
Marcus Antonius said:
candleJack said:
The difference between you and a pro is that a pro has to produce . If you or I don't like what the shots we got, we can just trash them and wait to shoot another day. The pro usually doesn't have this option, so the average performance is important to him, while for us the peak performance might be more important. Just my thoughts.
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I think you mean journalists? In my opinion, wedding photographers and photographers that shoot for magazines are also professionals and do like to get max IQ. Anyway, if i don't like my pics being shot from a city trip a few thousand (and even the few hundred) miles away i feel i have failed just as much as i would when my contractor didn't like them, the difference is that i didn't lose money "on the job", except that it ruined my trip and in a sense the money spent on that trip. (thankfully that never happened, because i always made sure i had the best equipment possible with me, ofcouse compared to the available budget). The only thing i sometimes regret afterwards is that when i see a shot i took ik LR is that "if i only took a little more time to compose for this or that, the shot would have been a winner"... but ok that's another story.
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Marcus Antonius said:
Marcus Antonius said:
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Do you know the heavy staircaising artifacts in the skylights (on the original photo)? Given that the light is overexposed, this is hard to eliminate. I guess it could happen even on a Canon...
PhotoKhan said:
This is sheer quality, no mater what:

(Full size photo here: http://chsv.nikon-image.com/products/camera/slr/digital/d800/img/sample01/img_01_l
(add .jpg) )





...but look at the time stamp: 10th of July 2011 !

This goes to show how wrong some posters here are with their " now XYZ brand will have to leap-frog ZYX with their coming offer "...These are long , much pondered, carefully evolving cycles (as I already suspected) not to be fundamentally changed at the last minute.

...Something that, by the way, only makes the "blackout" of any 1DX output even more worrying.

PK
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“Loose praise may feed my ego but constructive criticism advances my skills”
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