Rumour Confirmed - 1D Discontinued!

I don't think the 1Ds was a replacment for the 1D it doesn't compet to each it's for two total different areas. But I think they will have problem making a upgrade for the 1D without having it compet with the 1Ds.

If the upgrade the chip to say 8-9Mp and still have 8fps and stay with the x1.3 multiplex you still have to cameras for two different group of shouter but it's not as clear as today. I think I would skip the 1Ds and go for a 8-9Mp insted and have 8fps.
But thats me.
Regards
O.Olsson
I'm a firm believer that the 1Ds was the replacement for the 1D
just like the D60 was the replacement for the D30.

There is a large enough price difference for the two for there to
be something introduced between the two. A EOS 3 type body. I
don't care about MP at this point, I want 21 point AF

My wife would have to fight me off with a stick not to get that
one. I want more than 3 point focusing. I try hard but in some
pictures a focus point grabs something just slightly in front of my
subject some times (subject = 14 month old daughter) and since
during the christmas facation I wasn't wearing my contacts I missed
it (slight myopia, just enough to be annoying) and some of what
could have been great photos of my daughter opening presents are
out of focus enought to be annoying because her hand was holding a
piece of wrapping paper a few inches in front of her with one hand
or something like that.
--
O.Olsson
 
I think that Canon needs to lower the price of the 1Ds, keep the 1D where it is, and come out with a EOS3D and a low end camera. This would completly cover the market.
Here we go! Last year there was much speculation about a
replacement D30 - will it happen; or not. A little regard for the
reports from dealers would have made it obvious - Canon were unable
to supply after Christmas.

Now we have a report (see Toronto retailer post) that Henrys in
Toronto are telling customers that the 1D is discontinued.

Can't speak for others, but I would consider it foolhardy to pay
top dollar (or top euro!) for a 1D from this point.

Wonder what will replace it?
 
Canon has some challenges. The upgrade would need to have:

1 - More resolution (at least 6MP)
2 - Some added features (speed or buffering)
3 - Same rough street price as the 1D (or lower)
4 - ?? more

If they add too much resolution (8MP or more) and keep the price at under 6K they will further marginalize the 1Ds.

If they don't add much more resolution and don't add significant features who would upgrade?
If it's much more expensive most (includnig me) will skip this model.
If it's much less they marginalize the D60 market.

It will be interesting to see what's in store! Or, not in store (backordered!)
Regards,
Steve
I'm a firm believer that the 1Ds was the replacement for the 1D
just like the D60 was the replacement for the D30.

There is a large enough price difference for the two for there to
be something introduced between the two. A EOS 3 type body. I
don't care about MP at this point, I want 21 point AF

My wife would have to fight me off with a stick not to get that
one. I want more than 3 point focusing. I try hard but in some
pictures a focus point grabs something just slightly in front of my
subject some times (subject = 14 month old daughter) and since
during the christmas facation I wasn't wearing my contacts I missed
it (slight myopia, just enough to be annoying) and some of what
could have been great photos of my daughter opening presents are
out of focus enought to be annoying because her hand was holding a
piece of wrapping paper a few inches in front of her with one hand
or something like that.
--
O.Olsson
 
I am surprised that there seems so little conjecture on what Nikon will announce to compete with the 1Ds. I don't expect much new from Canon in the way of new or upgraded digital bodies until Nikon closes the gap a bit.

If there is any world shaking announcement at PMA, I expect it from N rather than C.
--
Terry Danks
Nature & Wildlife (Hummingbirds!) Photography
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/n1dcmc78/home.htm
 
that, like the upgrade for the Nikon D1h would involve mainly upgrading the buffer, with perhaps some more improvements to the processing electronics like that which took care of the banding, better handling of the front-focus issues etc. I presume that they would begin shipping all new bodies (say from ser#30000 and up) from the factory like this, and give the option for current owners to send in for upgrade -- for a fee of course.

I am skeptical about the possibilities of a sensor upgrade for higher res, as doing so while keeping the current internals would proportionally erode the frame rate. Canon would also have a vested interest in NOT releasing a new body that even potentially competes against the 1Ds. If they manage to upgrade (clock up) the 1D processing, I can see them upgrading to a 5 or 6Mp sensor -- CMOS or CCD I dont know -- but no more than that. This way, they could keep the target markets separate, while leveraging their tech over multiple camera lines... I see the future something like this:

1Ds -- 11Mp, 3fps, pro construction, $7-8k (street)
1D (uprated) -- 6Mp, 8-10fps, pro construction, $4.5-5.5k (street)
6D -- 6Mp, 4-5fps, semi-pro (EOS3 level) construction, $3-4k (street)
D60 (upgraded) -- 6mp, 3fps, Elan7 focusing, $2k
D300 -- basically D30 hardware in a cheaper body for the entry-level, $1k

but then, I really want an ST-E4 speedlite xmitter that is radio-enabled, along with a new series of radio-slaved speedlites... the IR link is flaky.
 
The nonsense we hear about AF, multi-point AF, and so on, really
distinguishes the men from the boys... oops, the photographers from
the gadgteers.
How is that so?

If you're shooting at a very shallow DOF, there is a slight possibility that AF-locking and recomposing will cause the area you wanted in focus to go out of focus. This is where manually selecting AF points closest to the area you want in focus will be most useful.

--
George

EOS D-Thirty ~ Twenty-four/Two-point-eight ~ Fifty/one-point-four ~ Eighty-five/one-point-eight ~ Two hundred/two-point-eight ~ Four hundred and twenty EX
 
told me the 1228 Gitzo CF tripod had been discontinued. Sometimes a BS salesperson will say that something is "discontinued" cause they don't want you to walk down the street and buy it someplace else (which is exactly what I did - bought the Gitzo from Vistek). OTOH I was in Henry's yesterday and they did have 1 1D in stock.

One instance is not confirmation. My view is that there were enough separate reports from dealers mentioned in various threads here over the past couple of months that the D60 was being discontinued - so that might be more likely.

I would expect to see someting EOS 3D ish in March. Perhaps all the 1D refurb activity is a prelude to announcing the 1D successor (which WILL NOT be part of the EOS 3 lineage). When the 1D successor comes out it will have the same body and no worse a frame rate than the current 1D. Perhaps with a 6mp CMOS - but that's pure speculation.

It's been said enought already, but one more time with feeling.... THE 1DS IS NOT THE REPLACEMENT FOR THE 1D.
 
The nonsense we hear about AF, multi-point AF, and so on, really
distinguishes the men from the boys... oops, the photographers from
the gadgteers.

John

P.S. - No, definitely no, the 1Ds is NOT (repeat NOT) a replacement
for the 1D.
And with that little cheap shot you then claim to be the expert on whether or not th 1D is replaced byt the 1ds with nothing to back it up? Why pray tell is the 1Ds not the replacement for the 1D? Other than megapixel/imaging chip difference the cameras the major features are the same if not slightly improved. It's the major replacement for teh 1D just like the D60 replaced the D30
 
The nonsense we hear about AF, multi-point AF, and so on, really
distinguishes the men from the boys... oops, the photographers from
the gadgteers.

John

P.S. - No, definitely no, the 1Ds is NOT (repeat NOT) a replacement
for the 1D.
And with that little cheap shot you then claim to be the expert on
whether or not th 1D is replaced byt the 1ds with nothing to back
it up? Why pray tell is the 1Ds not the replacement for the 1D?
Other than megapixel/imaging chip difference the cameras the major
features are the same if not slightly improved. It's the major
replacement for teh 1D just like the D60 replaced the D30
The 1Ds has absolutely NOTHING in common with the 1D. After the body, they are different cameras designed to do different things.

When the D60 replaced the D30, they shared the same platform (imager) ,with nothing more that some slight improvements in image quality(#pixels) (depends who you talk to), and a few cosmetic changes ( illuminated focus points). AND.....a comparable price.

I CANNOT SAY A REPLACEMENT CAMERA SHOULD COST ALMOST TWICE AS MUCH AS ITS REPLACEMENT

Sorry...I think the gap is WAY too big!!!
 
Why pray tell is the 1Ds not the replacement for the 1D?
EOS-1D: 8fps, 500th/sec flash sync, ISO 3200 max.
EOS-1Ds: 3fps, 250th/sec flash sync, ISO 1250 max.

Not to mention that for sports/photojournalism, 11 megapixels is overkill and imposes significant costs in image processing times. (And the 1Ds's lower res mode is not particularly useful in this regard.) The market that loves the EOS-1D will not embrace the EOS-1Ds. (Even if it were priced the same.)

-Z-
 
The nonsense we hear about AF, multi-point AF, and so on, really
distinguishes the men from the boys... oops, the photographers from
the gadgteers.

John

P.S. - No, definitely no, the 1Ds is NOT (repeat NOT) a replacement
for the 1D.
And with that little cheap shot you then claim to be the expert on
whether or not th 1D is replaced byt the 1ds with nothing to back
it up? Why pray tell is the 1Ds not the replacement for the 1D?
Other than megapixel/imaging chip difference the cameras the major
features are the same if not slightly improved. It's the major
replacement for teh 1D just like the D60 replaced the D30
The 1Ds has absolutely NOTHING in common with the 1D. After the
body, they are different cameras designed to do different things.
When the D60 replaced the D30, they shared the same platform
(imager) ,with nothing more that some slight improvements in image
quality(#pixels) (depends who you talk to), and a few cosmetic
changes ( illuminated focus points). AND.....a comparable price.

I CANNOT SAY A REPLACEMENT CAMERA SHOULD COST ALMOST TWICE AS
MUCH AS ITS REPLACEMENT


Sorry...I think the gap is WAY too big!!!
 
Why pray tell is the 1Ds not the replacement for the 1D?
EOS-1D: 8fps, 500th/sec flash sync, ISO 3200 max.
EOS-1Ds: 3fps, 250th/sec flash sync, ISO 1250 max.

Not to mention that for sports/photojournalism, 11 megapixels is
overkill and imposes significant costs in image processing times.
(And the 1Ds's lower res mode is not particularly useful in this
regard.) The market that loves the EOS-1D will not embrace the
EOS-1Ds. (Even if it were priced the same.)

-Z-
 
If the 1D gets a replacement, or an upgrade which I think more likely, what will the retail price of the existing 1D go to in March-April time frame? What will the used value be of a 1D at that time? What will the updated 1D be priced at?

Anybody care to guess?

I remember when the D60 first came out the D30 was priced higher and many retailers didn't seem to discount it for a while because no one had D60's. It seemed to take several months for the price to come down very much. Will it be the same with the 1D?

Tony
 
Perhaps the main differentiator would be full-frame -vs- 1.3X.

So people can have a high-end choice between full-frame and 1.3...
1 - More resolution (at least 6MP)
2 - Some added features (speed or buffering)
3 - Same rough street price as the 1D (or lower)
4 - ?? more

If they add too much resolution (8MP or more) and keep the price at
under 6K they will further marginalize the 1Ds.
If they don't add much more resolution and don't add significant
features who would upgrade?
If it's much more expensive most (includnig me) will skip this model.
If it's much less they marginalize the D60 market.

It will be interesting to see what's in store! Or, not in store
(backordered!)
Regards,
Steve
I'm a firm believer that the 1Ds was the replacement for the 1D
just like the D60 was the replacement for the D30.

There is a large enough price difference for the two for there to
be something introduced between the two. A EOS 3 type body. I
don't care about MP at this point, I want 21 point AF

My wife would have to fight me off with a stick not to get that
one. I want more than 3 point focusing. I try hard but in some
pictures a focus point grabs something just slightly in front of my
subject some times (subject = 14 month old daughter) and since
during the christmas facation I wasn't wearing my contacts I missed
it (slight myopia, just enough to be annoying) and some of what
could have been great photos of my daughter opening presents are
out of focus enought to be annoying because her hand was holding a
piece of wrapping paper a few inches in front of her with one hand
or something like that.
--
O.Olsson
 
Here we go! Last year there was much speculation about a
replacement D30 - will it happen; or not. A little regard for the
reports from dealers would have made it obvious - Canon were unable
to supply after Christmas.

Now we have a report (see Toronto retailer post) that Henrys in
Toronto are telling customers that the 1D is discontinued.
When did Canon sign on Henry's in Toronto to handle all of their press releases, like the discontinuation of a popular camera model like the 1D?

Just because they're a dealer doesn't mean that they are automatically a reliable source of information. Until we hear from CANON that the 1D is discontinued, it's all just speculation & rumor.

Mike
 
I'm a firm believer that the 1Ds was the replacement for the 1D
just like the D60 was the replacement for the D30.
You might believe what you want but it is not necessarily true. The 1DS and the 1D have very different specs and prices. If the 1DS replaces the 1D then Canon has no DSLR for sports (8fps, etc). That is ridiculous.
 
Now we have a report (see Toronto retailer post) that Henrys in
Toronto are telling customers that the 1D is discontinued.
Apple Computer have been displaying this info on their web site for some time now. If you visit http://guide.apple.com/macosx/discontinued_hw.lasso there is a list of discontinued hardware that has been 'provided by the developer without any independent testing or verification by Apple Computer' and the EOS 1D features in that list.

mac_mike
 
Nah, I don't buy it. 1D is in the product guide:

http://guide.apple.com/action.lasso?-database=macosguide&-layout=cgi_detail&-response=/ussearch/detail.html&prodkey=55505&-search

(as are !Ds and D60) so I'm guessing its inclusion in the discontinued list is an error. Doesn't mean it won't be, but it certainly hasn't been for "some time now".

Alistair
Now we have a report (see Toronto retailer post) that Henrys in
Toronto are telling customers that the 1D is discontinued.
Apple Computer have been displaying this info on their web site for
some time now. If you visit
http://guide.apple.com/macosx/discontinued_hw.lasso there is a list
of discontinued hardware that has been 'provided by the developer
without any independent testing or verification by Apple Computer'
and the EOS 1D features in that list.

mac_mike
 
They are 2 different cameras for 2 different markets.

The 1D does what i ( and a lot of others ) need : 8fps for 21 frames with a very usable resolution. Sports/News/PR with a file of good enough quality to upsize, 3 fps for 10-12 frames is not nearly enough
The nonsense we hear about AF, multi-point AF, and so on, really
distinguishes the men from the boys... oops, the photographers from
the gadgteers.

John

P.S. - No, definitely no, the 1Ds is NOT (repeat NOT) a replacement
for the 1D.
And with that little cheap shot you then claim to be the expert on
whether or not th 1D is replaced byt the 1ds with nothing to back
it up? Why pray tell is the 1Ds not the replacement for the 1D?
Other than megapixel/imaging chip difference the cameras the major
features are the same if not slightly improved. It's the major
replacement for teh 1D just like the D60 replaced the D30
 

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