IMatch photoDB vs thumbs+

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Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites, but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.

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Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing
around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am
thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard
that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites,
but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical
experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.
IMatch is a great program - it has a very powerful cataloging methodology. I tried many similar programs and settled on IMatch, and am glad I did. It has a bit of a learning curve, but don't be afraid. Read the documentation and you'll be off to a good start. There's an active email discussion list. The author provides excellent support.

Many other people here also like IMatch, and there has been considerable discussion. Here's a search query to help you find previous comments:

http://search.dpreview.com/forums/search.asp?query=imatch&forum=all&fields=all
 
Can't really comment on Thumbs Plus as I haven't used it recently, but I am a recent Imatch convert. I had been trying out a few browser/slideshow/image management tools over the past weeks including Zoombrowser, ACDsee etc. etc. Read a few recommendations on this site about Imatch. Downloaded it, tried it for 2 days, purchased it! I love the program so far. It's fast, efficient and extremely versatile.

Again, sorry I can't comment on Thumbs Plus, but here's a vote for Imatch.
Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing
around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am
thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard
that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites,
but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical
experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.

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shamanjp DSC-F707
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Steve
 
You may want to consider (from my reading of Imatch's features, that the images are placed in a proprietary database. If you have an accident, or Photools has a financial one, you loose the lot.

Information that is required to be Archival needs a lot of careful thought.

Thumbs+ indexes etc but the images are kept native. As I recall there are several others that do this.

I use Thumbs+ it does not have a useful way of creating a CD archive of the image files... again backup software that stores the data in a proprietary format is not a good solution.

What I also find is that there is a need a working store of images in a variety of intermediate states.

I have seen lots of partial solutions but nothing that is really complete. Nearly went with Imatch several times and am still looking.

John
Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing
around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am
thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard
that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites,
but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical
experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.

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shamanjp DSC-F707
 
This is not correct. You can write to many format s including CSV to back up your data. I own both products and find iMatch much more useful. iMatch has a categorizing scheme which precludes usinga keyword list. I'm told that ACDSee copied it; iMatch is published out of Germany by a single fellow who can't afford to sue. All that Thumbsplus has going for it is an access database, which is contained within the program's datafile. If you trashed the database file you've trashed the database; unless like iMatch, you have exported it. Thumbsplus costs approximately twice iMatch.

This really isn't a great issue anyway, since you can simply copy the database file to a second location.

Recently, when re-instralling XP (don't ask!) I trashed the iMatch database. I was able to reconstruct it with the existing files.

Rich
Information that is required to be Archival needs a lot of careful
thought.

Thumbs+ indexes etc but the images are kept native. As I recall
there are several others that do this.

I use Thumbs+ it does not have a useful way of creating a CD
archive of the image files... again backup software that stores the
data in a proprietary format is not a good solution.

What I also find is that there is a need a working store of images
in a variety of intermediate states.

I have seen lots of partial solutions but nothing that is really
complete. Nearly went with Imatch several times and am still
looking.

John
Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing
around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am
thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard
that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites,
but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical
experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.

--
shamanjp DSC-F707
 
You may want to consider (from my reading of Imatch's features,
that the images are placed in a proprietary database. If you have
an accident, or Photools has a financial one, you loose the lot.
The images themselves are not placed in the database. The database contains the categorization and property info for the images,and image thumbnails (+ various other stuff). The images stay in their original folders. As the other followup message mentions, IMatch allows you to export the database information in a variety of formats, so there is no danger of the database becoming useless if it becomes unsupported.
 
You may want to consider (from my reading of Imatch's features,
that the images are placed in a proprietary database. If you have
an accident, or Photools has a financial one, you loose the lot.
That statement is incorrect. If you have an "accident" or there is a problem with the company, your images are not lost. At most, data that you have entered into the database might be lost but if one knows anything about databases, more than likely the information can be recovered.

I work as a web application developer and I use databases quite extensively. I also have read over the features of IMatch and have been very impressed with what the software developers have put together and have provided to the end user. Most other packages, actually every package that I have seen (Thumbs+, ACD, Breezer, Photo Explorer, et. al.), for image management does not give the end user the wealth of information and customization that IMatch makes available.

Can IMatch provide a neophyte with the tools they need? Yes. The standard install and tutorials will aid the end user to quickly bring up an image management system that can fully meet many of their needs. In addition, many scripts are packaged with the application to provide many useful tools for the end user.

Can IMatch provide the advanced user with the features and customization they desire? By all means. At this level the end user will find it helpful to have some experience with data modeling and application development and in addition there will be a learning curve. But the effort is well worth it as the user will be able to customize the application with features that other image management software apps cannot provide. If you need a way to export data into a format that another application can recognize, the user can either utilize one of the supplied export methods or create their own using SAX basic (very similar to visual basic). Heck, even more advanced possibilities would allow the user to control another application via IMatch!

For the past several years I have utilized an Access database to provide for my image management needs. I had written a lot of customized modules in visual basic for applications to meet my image management desires. The problem with this very personlalized method is the amount of coding required and when Microsoft updated the JET engine database such that some of the coding in my current system was no longer supported in the latest version, I threw up my hands in frustration and looked at prepackaged off-the-shelf solutions. However, after looking over quite a few "image management" packages, I again became frustrated as it seems a lot of software companies do not know what it takes to "manage" images, instead they provide too many features to "manipulate" images. I'm sorry, but I already have an image manipulation package for that task and it's called Photoshop. Too many companies put too much emphasis on image manipulation for their image management application. A proper image management application would know it's scope and stay within it, not perform something that "appeals to the masses." Let image manipulation applications like Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, et. al., do that task and let image management software do it's specialized task. To combine the manipulation and management pieces into one application is creating an application with too broad of a scope.

In no way am I associated with the company that provides IMatch. Though I've got a background in programming and databases, I am just a regular user of the IMatch application and have found it to be an essential asset in my digital workflow process.

Know your tools and what each one does, do not rely on an Army Swiss knife to be your only tool in your toolbox.

Gary T

--
http://www.pbase.com/winterfire
http://www.goldfrost.com
 
You may want to consider (from my reading of Imatch's features,
that the images are placed in a proprietary database. If you have
an accident, or Photools has a financial one, you loose the lot.
That statement is incorrect. If you have an "accident" or there is
a problem with the company, your images are not lost. At most, data
that you have entered into the database might be lost but if one
knows anything about databases, more than likely the information
can be recovered.
Say what "more than likely the information can be recovered" that is cold comfort.
I work as a web application developer and I use databases quite
extensively. I also have read over the features of IMatch and have
Yes yes yes and I have used databases of all kinds for 30 years including critical FI enterprise applications and they are the right way to go for the indexing of course. But putting the images in one is another matter. Nothing, nothing requires the actual images to be in a database.

Imatch is a good backage but its placing of the images in a database is a weakness.
been very impressed with what the software developers have put
together and have provided to the end user. Most other packages,
actually every package that I have seen (Thumbs+, ACD, Breezer,
Photo Explorer, et. al.), for image management does not give the
end user the wealth of information and customization that IMatch
makes available.

Can IMatch provide a neophyte with the tools they need? Yes. The
standard install and tutorials will aid the end user to quickly
bring up an image management system that can fully meet many of
their needs. In addition, many scripts are packaged with the
application to provide many useful tools for the end user.

Can IMatch provide the advanced user with the features and
customization they desire? By all means. At this level the end user
will find it helpful to have some experience with data modeling and
application development and in addition there will be a learning
curve. But the effort is well worth it as the user will be able to
customize the application with features that other image management
software apps cannot provide. If you need a way to export data into
a format that another application can recognize, the user can
either utilize one of the supplied export methods or create their
own using SAX basic (very similar to visual basic). Heck, even more
advanced possibilities would allow the user to control another
application via IMatch!

For the past several years I have utilized an Access database to
provide for my image management needs. I had written a lot of
customized modules in visual basic for applications to meet my
image management desires. The problem with this very personlalized
method is the amount of coding required and when Microsoft updated
the JET engine database such that some of the coding in my current
system was no longer supported in the latest version, I threw up my
hands in frustration and looked at prepackaged off-the-shelf
solutions. However, after looking over quite a few "image
management" packages, I again became frustrated as it seems a lot
of software companies do not know what it takes to "manage" images,
instead they provide too many features to "manipulate" images. I'm
sorry, but I already have an image manipulation package for that
task and it's called Photoshop. Too many companies put too much
emphasis on image manipulation for their image management
application. A proper image management application would know it's
scope and stay within it, not perform something that "appeals to
the masses." Let image manipulation applications like Photoshop,
Paint Shop Pro, et. al., do that task and let image management
software do it's specialized task. To combine the manipulation and
management pieces into one application is creating an application
with too broad of a scope.

In no way am I associated with the company that provides IMatch.
Though I've got a background in programming and databases, I am
just a regular user of the IMatch application and have found it to
be an essential asset in my digital workflow process.

Know your tools and what each one does, do not rely on an Army
Swiss knife to be your only tool in your toolbox.

Gary T

--
http://www.pbase.com/winterfire
http://www.goldfrost.com
 
Imatch is a good backage but its placing of the images in a
database is a weakness.
Let me say this again: IMatch does NOT put the images into the database. The images stay in whatever folders they were in when you catalogued them. They could be on your hard disk, on a CD, etc. The pathname of the image is put in the database. A thumbnail is kept in the database.

You can move the images inside IMatch, and it will keep track of the location, or if you move the images outside of IMatch, you can tell it where they were moved to.
 
The images are NOT in the database.
Yes yes yes and I have used databases of all kinds for 30 years
including critical FI enterprise applications and they are the
right way to go for the indexing of course. But putting the images
in one is another matter. Nothing, nothing requires the actual
images to be in a database.
Imatch is a good backage but its placing of the images in a
database is a weakness.
--
http://www.pbase.com/winterfire
http://www.goldfrost.com
 
In addition to the following statement, ANY application that the user enters data can fall into the same issues you have laid out in your original message. It is not a "shortcoming" of IMatch. It can also happen to Thumbs+, ACD, Breeze, etc.

And again, let me reiterate, IMatch DOES NOT put the images into the database. The original images are intact and stored in their original formats. Snapshots of the images are available within the database. If the database goes down you WILL NOT lose images. Period.
Say what "more than likely the information can be recovered" that
is cold comfort.
--
http://www.pbase.com/winterfire
http://www.goldfrost.com
 
I use Imatch and Gary is correct that Imatch doesn't put the images in the database. I tried several archiving programs and I liked Imatch the best. Plus the author is constantly working to improve the program (just like Mike Chaney and Qimage Pro). Regardless of what John is saying or what catogue program is being used I back up all my original images on a second hard drive because if your main hard drive with all your originals fails you are out of luck. I think the point should be back up your images to another hard drive or CD/DVD regardless of what program you are using.

Mike Curtis
And again, let me reiterate, IMatch DOES NOT put the images into
the database. The original images are intact and stored in their
original formats. Snapshots of the images are available within the
database. If the database goes down you WILL NOT lose images.
Period.
Say what "more than likely the information can be recovered" that
is cold comfort.
--
http://www.pbase.com/winterfire
http://www.goldfrost.com
 
Hi Everyone,

I read through this thread and I too purchased Imatch and played with it for a few days until I discovered Extensis Portfolio 6. This looks like a first rate program that's been around a while.

Have any of you tried this program? If so what are your thoughts other than the price?

Thanks in advance,

Jim
--

'Countless unseen details are often the only difference between mediocre and magnificent'
 
That's funny - I moved from Extensis Portfolio to IMatch after being dazzled by the features and capabilities IMatch has. Apart from that, Portfolio supports only rudimentary scripting compared to IMatch which makes IMatch infinitely more flexible.

Amongst other things, IMatch has unparalleled support - something that, I'm afraid, Portfolio doesn't have.

Having said all that - no two people are the same and what's good for me isb't necessarily good for you. The best way to decide is to try them both (they both have evaluation versions) and see what fits you.
 
IMatch does not store your images in its database. It only stores an index of all your images in the database, plus the thumbnail for your images, and other information.

When you create or update a database with IMatch, your original images are not moved or touched.

--
Mario M. Westphal - Author of IMatch
photools.com - Digital Image Management Solutions
[email protected]
http://www.photools.com
Information that is required to be Archival needs a lot of careful
thought.

Thumbs+ indexes etc but the images are kept native. As I recall
there are several others that do this.

I use Thumbs+ it does not have a useful way of creating a CD
archive of the image files... again backup software that stores the
data in a proprietary format is not a good solution.

What I also find is that there is a need a working store of images
in a variety of intermediate states.

I have seen lots of partial solutions but nothing that is really
complete. Nearly went with Imatch several times and am still
looking.

John
Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing
around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am
thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard
that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites,
but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical
experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.

--
shamanjp DSC-F707
 
I'm a bit confused, does IMatch store your images in its database or not?
When you create or update a database with IMatch, your original
images are not moved or touched.

--
Mario M. Westphal - Author of IMatch
photools.com - Digital Image Management Solutions
[email protected]
http://www.photools.com
Information that is required to be Archival needs a lot of careful
thought.

Thumbs+ indexes etc but the images are kept native. As I recall
there are several others that do this.

I use Thumbs+ it does not have a useful way of creating a CD
archive of the image files... again backup software that stores the
data in a proprietary format is not a good solution.

What I also find is that there is a need a working store of images
in a variety of intermediate states.

I have seen lots of partial solutions but nothing that is really
complete. Nearly went with Imatch several times and am still
looking.

John
Is anyone familiar with both these programs? I have been playing
around with the unregistered shareware version of IMatch and I am
thinking of buying it. Is it better than thumbs+? (I have heard
that it was). It is highly rated at the shareware download sites,
but I thought I would ask here if anyone had some practical
experience with it and could share their thoughts. Thanks.

--
shamanjp DSC-F707
 
Zmax, it's quite simple. A pointer to the original file is stored in the database. To know what the link goes to, a thumbnail is created for the image. That created thumbnail is stored in the database. When you double-click the image, it will pull up the original fullsize image if it is available. When I say "if it is available" what I'm referring to is IMatches ability to track images whether they are on the local hard drives or some other type of removable media like a CD. If it's on a CD, you can still see the image thumbnails in IMatch so you know what you have. Then, when you double-click the image it will ask you to insert the media that contains the image.

As previously pointed out, a proper system should not store the original image in the database. It would unneccessarily make for a large database.

So to answer your question: no, the original image is not stored in the database. Hope that helps. :)

Gary T
I'm a bit confused, does IMatch store your images in its database
or not?
--
http://www.pbase.com/winterfire
http://www.goldfrost.com
 
I used Extensis Portfolio 5 and 6. Extensis does not currently support
reading Canon Raw CRW files. They 'may' support CRW in some
future release. When I had tech problem Extensis tech support was slow
to respond. These factors led me to try IMatch and I've switched to it.

IMatch is very pro-actively supported by the developer. IMatch is
far more capable than Extensis, less expensive, and more rapidly
evolving.

I have found the learing curve for IMatch to be more challenging than
that for Extensis. The IMatch online user forum and active support by the
developer moderate that challenge. IMatch is one of the best value
propositions of any of the software I use at home or work.

And, I should mention,.....
the cataloged images are NOT stored in the database.
:> )
-JimD
Hi Everyone,

I read through this thread and I too purchased Imatch and played
with it for a few days until I discovered Extensis Portfolio 6.
This looks like a first rate program that's been around a while.
Have any of you tried this program? If so what are your thoughts
other than the price?

Thanks in advance,

Jim
--
'Countless unseen details are often the only difference between
mediocre and magnificent'
 
And, I should mention,.....
the cataloged images are NOT stored in the database.
:> )
This I consider as disadvnatage. Portfolio stores thumbs in the database and it can extract them from the images - 900 30 MB files uploaded in 10 minutes, database of 16 MB. IMatch can not read LZW, Portfolio can. Now I scan so LZW is more important than RAW, once I switch ??? I hope that they soon update it.

Fero
http://www.wnp.sk
 

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