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Sony NEX-5N is priced @ $599 body (MSRP), why is Pentax K-01 starting at $749?
I know the prices trend lower eventually but is it becos of the build quality?
I own K10D and looking to upgrade to newer bodies with videos that can AF etc,
K-01 is interesting from that sense

I have 18-55 WR, F50mmf1.7, Tamron 28-75mm and Tamron 18-250mm, I dont want to change systems
When I think about it, Pentax coud've done similar to Sony SLT route

Pentax usually makes compact bodies, I am sure they cud've built a compact body with no mirror, with EVF and good movie capability

More I think, looks like Pentax will be releasing their second mirrorless soon, right now they made guys like me who are thinking of moving to samsung or sony pause

I just wished Pentax release two mirrorless bodies - one advanced with evf etc and another just LCD just like nikon J1 and V1
anyway I did my rant and I am happy :)
 
This is a camera that promises better IQ & video than a K5 with full slr lens compatability for 1/2 the price and you are complaining?
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i nearly pushed the buy button for a nex7, but for half the price for the body and i have all the lens i need im sitting on the sideline now to see what the k01 is capable of.

cheers don
 
Hi Ozdean,

Please dont take wrong, I know it is half the price but sony nex-5N sensor is also considered one of the best probably not as good as K-5 but still it is newer
I am just curious...

I dont want to change systems, we are expecting a baby, I just want a solution where my wife can take impromptu videos that can do AF, I almost bought nex-c3 but then I stopped postponing the decision, now that Pentax released a mirrorless I am hoping they will release second one sooner like olympus did with ep2 after ep1 within 1 year,
I am also hoping to be in the price range of a k-r
 
Hi Don,

I also did the same thing, I was about to buy Nex-c3 so that my wife can use it for impromptu videos etc but thought of a second system daunted me and I postponed my decision
When I compare Nex-5n body alone $599, I thought why not Pentax had a lower MSRP
probably the build quality is one step higher I guess

I hope K-01 brings fast CDAF, I am not sure how it will be with existing other lenses though...

I am also seriously debating G1 X as it is slimmer in profile and my wife can use it comfortable, that OVF also is very useful
I used to own sony s-85 and panasonic TZ-5
The pany one had no VF and outdoors was very tough
 
Nearly any other size would make the Pentax native lenses only work with an adapter, and avoiding that seems to be their main aim with the K-01. Compared to the other designs from Sony, Samsung & micro-43 it's a gamble that Pentax hopes will attract new owners; Pentax owners hope so too, it will pay off with a larger user base.

Consider a 500-gram lens attached to a NEX.. that idea makes me shudder. Hold the camera and the torque is tremendous, hold the lens and how do you shoot? You must use two hands or the new tiny-mount native lenses. When you make a small camera with a small mount, using adapted big lenses leaves few hand holds!

Speaking for myself I prefer Pentax' approach, which lets their current crop of lenses work without breaking the mount or spraining the user's wrist .. now to see who else thinks so.

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I suspect this is going to be a much better camera than we think.

I realize the design will polarize people but the function is Pentax rudimentary backward compatibility. K mount has to be the best system on the market.
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Mugundhan said:
Sony NEX-5N is priced @ $599 body (MSRP), why is Pentax K-01 starting at $749?
I know the prices trend lower eventually but is it becos of the build quality?
I own K10D and looking to upgrade to newer bodies with videos that can AF etc,
K-01 is interesting from that sense

I have 18-55 WR, F50mmf1.7, Tamron 28-75mm and Tamron 18-250mm, I dont want to change systems
When I think about it, Pentax coud've done similar to Sony SLT route

Pentax usually makes compact bodies, I am sure they cud've built a compact body with no mirror, with EVF and good movie capability

More I think, looks like Pentax will be releasing their second mirrorless soon, right now they made guys like me who are thinking of moving to samsung or sony pause

I just wished Pentax release two mirrorless bodies - one advanced with evf etc and another just LCD just like nikon J1 and V1
anyway I did my rant and I am happy :)
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The F50/1.7 rocks. It is fantastic on smaller bodies.

I went from a DS to a K2000. Both are small but the smaller K2000 pushed me toward shooting primes. The K 01 is a little smaller and I expect more of the same.

The mirrorless AF systems have the potential for faster and more accurate AF. The focus peaking will also bring MF to new heights.

NEX bodies are nice but the lack of Anti Shake is a deal breaker for me. The ability to focus PK lenses also enters into the equation.

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Pentax also has in-body stabilisation, which no other ILC camera has. Given optically stabilised lenses are generall alot bigger than non stabilised lenses this feature is really needed in a smaller camera.

Plus better video and imaging modes and you are likely to get it a little bit cheaper after release, it really won'
t be much more than the nex5.

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justin23 said:
Plus better video and imaging modes
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How is video better than 5N? 5N can do 1080 60p in ACVHD 2.0 ... k-01 only does 60p in 720. The native Nex lenses (even kit) are optimized for video (silent AF, stepless aperture).

Also, it's still unknown if the video AF on K01 is smooth with older DSLR lenses. It might be fine with the new 40mm, but the AF is still unknown with say 18-55
 
Video specs, the nex5 does 60i (not 60p as you stated) whereas the K-01 does 30p at 1080 and 60p at 720. 60 interlaced frames vs 30 full frames....

Nex5: 1920 x 1080 (60 fps), 1440 x 1080 (30 fps), 640 x 480 (30 fps)

K-01: 1920 x 1080 (30, 25, 24 fps),1280 x 720 (60, 50, 30, 25, 24 fps), 640 x 480 (30, 25, 24 fps)

Talk to anyone who does video seriously and ask them how often they'd rather use 24/25 fps over 60 fps? quite often i'd suggest.

Sony needs a proprietry mic, Pentax will accept any.
Sony only autofocuses with certain lenses, Pentax will do any AF lens.

Pentax also offers aperture or shutter priority mode with video. nex5 is Auto.

I can't see why you'd want a Nex5 over a K-01 for video based on specs. we haven't seen the k-01 in action yet though.

Also really AVCHD is H.264 so the Nex is showing no advantage.
Myari said:
justin23 said:
Plus better video and imaging modes
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How is video better than 5N? 5N can do 1080 60p in ACVHD 2.0 ... k-01 only does 60p in 720. The native Nex lenses (even kit) are optimized for video (silent AF, stepless aperture).

Also, it's still unknown if the video AF on K01 is smooth with older DSLR lenses. It might be fine with the new 40mm, but the AF is still unknown with say 18-55
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justin23 said:
Video specs, the nex5 does 60i (not 60p as you stated) whereas the K-01 does 30p at 1080 and 60p at 720. 60 interlaced frames vs 30 full frames....
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Nex-5 is a discontinued model from 2010 (older than K-5 and K-r). Nex-5N does 60p (not 60i).


justin23 said:
Sony only autofocuses with certain lenses, Pentax will do any AF lens.
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Nex AF with all native E-mount lenses. It can AF all A-mount lenses too with SLT adapter.
justin23 said:
Pentax also offers aperture or shutter priority mode with video. nex5 is Auto.
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5N offers full manual control in video mode (it's not only auto),
 
Mugundhan said:
Sony NEX-5N is priced @ $599 body (MSRP), why is Pentax K-01 starting at $749?
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I'd suggest its because it has IBIS, a screw-drive motor for K-mount lenses and a bigger body to hold those things, all of which cost money.
Mugundhan said:
Pentax usually makes compact bodies, I am sure they cud've built a compact body with no mirror, with EVF and good movie capability
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They could have but then your K-mount lenses would need an expensive adptor and the AF ones would have lost full function.

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My thought have been to buy a K5 body this year and hopefully wait for a K-02 with EVF next year ... or pick up a K-01 in 6-12m time ....but I'm just wondering if Pentax are brining out a higher end K-o model ... maybe I'll bide my time ... any way the news for me is this keeps me in K mode ... and although I'd love a FF camera on balance I favour the lightness of the APSC system

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I would not hold your breath for FF. The benefits are less amd less as time goes by. APS C is he new FF.
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i hope the af is quick as well. i will use it only for studio work. i have a oly xz1 for my happy snap camera it produces the sharpest images ive seen out of any camera ive owned compact and i have vf2.

cheers don
 
justin23 said:
Video specs, the nex5 does 60i (not 60p as you stated) whereas the K-01 does 30p at 1080 and 60p at 720. 60 interlaced frames vs 30 full frames....
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The OP never mentioned Nex-5. He said Nex-5N. 5N does 1080 60p and 1080 24p
 
One more thing I forgot to mention:

Look at the innovation from sony for the SLT - They have a built-in EVF, does phase detection AF which makes AF with existing Alpha lenses very fast and still A35 costs $699 MSRP but pentax k-01 costs $749,

I hope that Pentax do a Olympus - build a fast AF, still I am not sure how their CDAF work with existing lenses....

Thinking about all this, I cant help thinking that Pentax released the camera to stop existing users moving to other mounts in the hope of better bodies and I think they will release a newer model sooner than later...
 
Mugundhan said:
One more thing I forgot to mention:

Look at the innovation from sony for the SLT - They have a built-in EVF, does phase detection AF which makes AF with existing Alpha lenses very fast and still A35 costs $699 MSRP but pentax k-01 costs $749,

I hope that Pentax do a Olympus - build a fast AF, still I am not sure how their CDAF work with existing lenses....

Thinking about all this, I cant help thinking that Pentax released the camera to stop existing users moving to other mounts in the hope of better bodies and I think they will release a newer model sooner than later...
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Pentax does make better bodies. The problem is that people like to have that safe N or C on the front in order to be accepted.

The K 01 will be out soon and already the vultures are gathering. I have yet to hold a post K20D pentax that did not feel and operate better than more expensive N or C models.

What is real scary is that the Kx has the speed, level of control and high ISO ability of what the large expensive FF cameras had from not that long ago.
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