Anyone else feeling duped by Fuji XpPro 1 hype???

dellaaa said:

I like the camera. I am not saying I wouldn't like owning it, mainly because of its retro styling and operation (I started with shutter speed dials and aperture rings).

What I am saying is that Fuji's tactics were shady and I think that to an objective viewer (not someone salivating for a new Fuji release), what they did left me feeling like they we trying too hard.

Again the two problems I have are, Fuji hyping a APSC sensor and then comparing it to a full frame camera which I think was wrong and then not announcing a firm price the day it was announced.

Look, Nikon is announcing the D800 this week. Will they wait 3 weeks before saying what its MSRP is, no, it will be revealed the day its announced.

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dellaaa said:

Will Nikon say the images will rival medium format quality (which they may), no.

As for the posters with marketing experience I say this. The internet is a game changer and Fuji is maybe one of the first to capitalize on this. You can show your product to as many focus groups you want, but announcing the product and leaking 2 prices and then getting instant feedback from thousands of potential buyers is huge. I am sure Fuji made use of this information by monitoring every site they could.

My question is if you know you will sell the camera for $1700, that's what the data said it will fetch, why wait to announce the MSRP? I can't remember that ever happening before. Why? Because of the instant feedback the internet affords.

That's my point.

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MoreorLess said:

LaFonte said:

Tht is that sorts of claim that only shows how little you know about Sony. Sony could be many things, but they usually never miss the point!
What do you say about Pentax k-01 then?

Edw00d said:

Sony completely missed the point of a compact mirrorless system.

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It depends what the "point" is I spose, if it was to design as small a body as possible and that market it while avoiding showing the larger lenses wherever possible(using the 16mm pancake and directly front on shots with the kit zoom seem common) while selling to users who don't want specialist lenses anyway then they certainly didnt miss the point.

The problem I'm seeing is that taking the NEX in that direction makes it much more difficult for them to also appeal to the more serious market with the NEX 7. The majority of current NEX lineup simpley doesnt match up to the standard users users will desire and the one lens that does is so outsized as to kill any advanatge in size it might have and make it much more unbalanced.

Has Sony's desire to market a smaller body ment that there system will simpley be incapable of having lenses the size of the X1pro?

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laurihoefs said:

dellaaa said:

I feel a little duped by the way Fuji announced and is going about marketing the X Pro1.

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I would like to hear what you think are X Pro1's prime competitors on the market.

NEX7? No OVF, just as expensive, and lack of good lenses so far.

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dellaaa said:

I like the camera. I am not saying I wouldn't like owning it, mainly because of its retro styling and operation (I started with shutter speed dials and aperture rings).

What I am saying is that Fuji's tactics were shady and I think that to an objective viewer (not someone salivating for a new Fuji release), what they did left me feeling like they we trying too hard.

Again the two problems I have are, Fuji hyping a APSC sensor and then comparing it to a full frame camera which I think was wrong and then not announcing a firm price the day it was announced.

Look, Nikon is announcing the D800 this week. Will they wait 3 weeks before saying what its MSRP is, no, it will be revealed the day its announced.

Will Nikon say the images will rival medium format quality (which they may), no.

As for the posters with marketing experience I say this. The internet is a game changer and Fuji is maybe one of the first to capitalize on this. You can show your product to as many focus groups you want, but announcing the product and leaking 2 prices and then getting instant feedback from thousands of potential buyers is huge. I am sure Fuji made use of this information by monitoring every site they could.

My question is if you know you will sell the camera for $1700, that's what the data said it will fetch, why wait to announce the MSRP? I can't remember that ever happening before. Why? Because of the instant feedback the internet affords.

That's my point.

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dellaaa said:

My question is if you know you will sell the camera for $1700, that's what the data said it will fetch, why wait to announce the MSRP? I can't remember that ever happening before. Why? Because of the instant feedback the internet affords.

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whtchocla7e said:

Nex-7 just as expensive as the X-Pro 1? Get your facts straight.

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LaFonte said:

You practically answered it. They have small prime lens, like the 2.8/16mm and the camera with it is tiny. Smaller than anything else aps. Smaller than even x100 with its lens.
But consumers mostly want the zoom with it... so they pack that one as a kit.

The issue with sony is that it doesn't have collapsible zoom, like m43 has, only the soda can zoom.
Fuji has currently no zoom at all, so how can you compare that?

Maybe Sony will make collapsible zoom and maybe fuji will make zoomthat is bigger than sonys - you never know. But neither company is missing the point. They try to sell to different consummers, even that is now blury with the Nex 7.

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lnbolch said:

"Anything is possible, when you haven't a clue what you are talking about."

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larry!
http://www.larry-bolch.com/

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