D800 "ISO performance" clean to 1600 only?

Bulls....... They do not know what they are talking about if the sensor is similar to the one in the D7000 and now 24x36mm large

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260684 said:

Seen this comment on Nikon Rumours: What do you think? I've seen a few samples too...Maybe it doesn't match the D3/D700's performance in low light.

"So just as many suspected… this is a mini-D3x on steroids. With a practical ISO limit of 1600, it’s DEFINITELY a studio/landscape camera. D3x-es will be going on eBay with a vengeance.

Well, damn. That means I’m DEFINITELY looking for a D3s or a way to afford a D4. I was at least hoping the D800 would have the same ISO capability as my D700.

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/04/few-last-minute-nikon-d800-updates.aspx/#ixzz1lRdXmZsc "

It still looks interesting though. It also depends what you deem 'clean' to be. Next week will be interesting.

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260684 said:

rayman 2 said:

260684 said:

Seen this comment on Nikon Rumours: What do you think? I've seen a few samples too...Maybe it doesn't match the D3/D700's performance in low light.

"So just as many suspected… this is a mini-D3x on steroids. With a practical ISO limit of 1600, it’s DEFINITELY a studio/landscape camera. D3x-es will be going on eBay with a vengeance.

Well, damn. That means I’m DEFINITELY looking for a D3s or a way to afford a D4. I was at least hoping the D800 would have the same ISO capability as my D700.

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2012/02/04/few-last-minute-nikon-d800-updates.aspx/#ixzz1lRdXmZsc "

It still looks interesting though. It also depends what you deem 'clean' to be. Next week will be interesting.

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The D700 isnt even clean at 1600 ! The D800 will be better.. !

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Dunno if I'd go that far. The D4 is a high iso camera, I expect the ISO performance to be poor compared to it. And I think it may struggle to match the D700. Who knows, wait and see!

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It will between D700 and D4, all printed same size.
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As all my landscape images are done at base iso, 1600 is more than enough.

What you linked to doesn't say it doesn't exist; just that the crummy image isn't from a D800. Stop trolling my post history wise guy! Sadddd.

sandy b said:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=40495570

Now your complaining about the ISO on a camera you deny exists. Sheesh.

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If this turns out to be accurate, then I will be extremely pleased. Works well for my shooting needs.

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azoele said:

It wouldn't make any sense.

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azoele said:

Even if it uses the now "old" D7000 sensor technology – meaning 1 stop or so below D700 – the D800 will have a 1.25x larger sensor, thus gathering enough light to recover that stop and even improve.

So, it will probably be competitive with the D700 at higher isos, but at lower isos it will probably be an amazing machine, with incredible detail and dynamic range.

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coudet said:

260684 said:

Maybe it doesn't match the D3/D700's performance in low light.

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I wouldn't panic cause of one man's random comment on Nikon Rumors.

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No one's panicing.

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coudet said:

It also depends what you deem 'clean' to be.

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Very much so. So, is your D700/D3 "clean" shot in low light at ISO3200 and printed at A2?

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No bad slick, no bad.

coudet said:

coudet said:

The D4 is a high iso camera, I expect the ISO performance to be poor compared to it. And I think it may struggle to match the D700.

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Expectations based on?

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That the D4 is limited in it's MP for more than just "sports shooters don't want big files" rubbish...

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coudet said:

Who knows, wait and see!

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Well, you seem to have already made up your mind.

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Nope, thats why I said wait and see junior!

260684 said:

coudet said:

260684 said:

The D4 is a high iso camera, I expect the ISO performance to be poor compared to it. And I think it may struggle to match the D700.

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Expectations based on?

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That the D4 is limited in it's MP for more than just "sports shooters don't want big files" rubbish...

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What are these other reasons the MP is limited? And don't say lower MP has better high iso noise and the higher dynamic range rubbish

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If the D800E just offers the same low light performance that of the D700 has, I will be absolutely ECSTATIC!!!! (IMHO the D700 was limited to ISO 2500 before the noise because objectionable to me. But I still consider that to be very good low light performance.)

I don't want to hope for too much, because then I will be disappointed no matter how good it is.

I can't wait to see some sample images and some reviews!!!

Bob from Ohio

260684 said:

260684 said:

260684 said:

The D4 is a high iso camera, I expect the ISO performance to be poor compared to it. And I think it may struggle to match the D700.

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Expectations based on?

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That the D4 is limited in it's MP for more than just "sports shooters don't want big files" rubbish...

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So, nothing more than your hunch mixed in with pessimism?

Not the most reliable method. Why not rely on data instead?

IF it is at 36MP, and IF they have used IMX071 as a base (D7000: correct pixel size for 36MPFX) is the almost 0.5Ev better than the D700 at high ISO. At least 2EV better at base ISO.

D7000 sensor is about 1/3EV more light sensitive, and has less than half as much electronic noise - even though the pixels are only 31% as large for the area.
text from Joakim Bengtsson the_suede and the same discussion in Sweden Fotosidan

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Text from Tore Helming same discussion Fotosidan Sweden, translated by google
1) Sensor The size

A larger sensor can collect more light. It is not relevant to compare pixel density without taking account to sensor size.
2) The noise per pixel

The noise per pixel, or comparisons of 100% on screen is not interesting for the end result in the finished image. D7000 from 2010, have better noise per pixel than the D70 from 2004. In the finished picture, the result is quite different. The noise per pixel will usually improve with more pixels, but when normalized to the same size, the result may be quite different.
3) Normalization

To compare the image quality should be made to the images of the same size whether it be on screen or in print. Ordinarily is normalized by the camera with higher MP reduced in size but also on the smaller pixel dense camera images enlarged to the pixel dense camera's size, the result is the same: a camera with more MP will provide better image quality in the finished image regardless of image size.
4) The result of the finished picture after all the editing

Many people make the mistake of comparing images in 100% excision without normalization or no editing. Interestingly, rather than how the image quality fare in the finished image after normalization and image processing. A camera with more MP may have higher noise but also better resolution that level of detail. The end result can then be expected to be the camera with more MP can withstand more noise reduction and sharpening, and therefore - even though the files are more noisy from the start - will give a better finished image.

Using a Canon Mk 2 (21mp) this was clean at 1600, slight noise at 3200 and just some speckles of noise at 6400 cleanable via Software. I'd be happy with this gets repeated on the D800....

Didn't they say clean up to ISO 1600 for A2 prints?
Not pixel peeping...
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No one really wants to admit that, given the need, they'll want both a D800E for landscape work and a D4 for the most flexible low light and event work. So I guess its time to get both!