E-M5 removable hotshoe?

Berneck · Feb 4, 2012

I never owned an Olympus SLR, but I have heard some comments about a removable hotshoe on the OM-1. Could this pronounced hump be just that? If you look closely, it very well could be! There seems to be enough seams around it to be removable. AND, if we could imagine a little further, there may be a pop up flash underneath....

How cool would that be?!!!!!

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CrashE3 · Feb 4, 2012

What would be the advantage of such a monstrosity? Realistically it looks like a hot shoe and pop up flash to me.. I can't fathom anything else?

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Berneck · Feb 4, 2012

Exactly, if it's not at the very least a pop up flash, then this is a huge design flaw IMHO. I just can't imagine the designers at Olympus just letting that slide without some sort of major functionality.

I think I'm more curious about what is going on with that hump than any other aspect of the camera...LOLOL

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Cephalotus · Feb 4, 2012

Berneck said:
How cool would that be?!!!!!

Suuuper cool...

...until you mount an FL-50 and the whole thing brakes apart. I heavily doubt that the hotshoe can be removed, because mechanical forces are extremely high on that part.

CharlesB58 · Feb 5, 2012

Berneck said:
Exactly, if it's not at the very least a pop up flash, then this is a huge design flaw IMHO. I just can't imagine the designers at Olympus just letting that slide without some sort of major functionality.

I think I'm more curious about what is going on with that hump than any other aspect of the camera...LOLOL

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berneck

The hump is the equivalent of a VF-2 added to a PEN sized body. Why is this such an issue. The humps on the Panasonic Gs with built in EVF only appear smaller because the rest of the body is larger.

What did people expect, a high resolution EVF to fit into a PEN-sized body like the interior of a TARDIS?

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amalric · Feb 5, 2012

Cephalotus said:
Berneck said:

How cool would that be?!!!!!

Click to expand...

Suuuper cool...

...until you mount an FL-50 and the whole thing brakes apart. I heavily doubt that the hotshoe can be removed, because mechanical forces are extremely high on that part.

I imagined the same of the OP. In fact the camera could use and add on flash similar to the PL3.

If you take off the hotshoe, and upper part of the hump it could have a FF similar to a Pen, and be pocketable, which would be wonderful.

One would plug in the interface, only when one needs it. Unless the VF-2 is built internally upside down, and needed the pyramid space.

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Anfy · Feb 5, 2012

CharlesB58 said:
What did people expect, a high resolution EVF to fit into a PEN-sized body like the interior of a TARDIS?

Well, call me romantic (in a byronian sense) but I really love E-M5 design, so similar to old SLRs; anyway Sony with its NEX-7 actually put a high resolution EVF in a small body (from DPR):

and

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Thomas_A · Feb 5, 2012

CrashE3 said:
What would be the advantage of such a monstrosity? Realistically it looks like a hot shoe and pop up flash to me.. I can't fathom anything else?

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Visualize Whirled Peas.

Most probably it is a pop-up flash. But the structures around the hump appears unuusal. Therefore I put my vote for that the hump removable and part of an "new" accessory system. Stability might be an issue though.

GregGory · Feb 5, 2012

Berneck said:
I never owned an Olympus SLR, but I have heard some comments about a removable hotshoe on the OM-1. Could this pronounced hump be just that? If you look closely, it very well could be! There seems to be enough seams around it to be removable. AND, if we could imagine a little further, there may be a pop up flash underneath....

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Berneck · Feb 5, 2012

Cephalotus said:
Berneck said:

How cool would that be?!!,

Click to expand...

Suuuper cool...

...until you mount an FL-50 and the whole thing brakes apart. I heavily doubt that the hotshoe can be removed, because mechanical forces are extremely high on that part.

Hmm you have a point there. Although, I have to imagine flashes were pretty heavy back when the OM-1 was around. Has anybody had any experience with the OM-1?
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berneck

Berneck · Feb 5, 2012

CharlesB58 said:
The hump is the equivalent of a VF-2 added to a PEN sized body. Why is this such an issue. The humps on the Panasonic Gs with built in EVF only appear smaller because the rest of the body is larger.

What did people expect, a high resolution EVF to fit into a PEN-sized body like the interior of a TARDIS?

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Well, I know what you mean, but this is not an add-on viewfinder, where the circuitry needs to be housed somewhere other than the camera. If you look at the hump, it's considerably higher than the viewfinder. I just can't imagine that Olympus would design it this way simply to stuff the circuitry of the viewfinder in there.

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berneck

Thomas_A · Feb 5, 2012

Berneck said:
CharlesB58 said:

The hump is the equivalent of a VF-2 added to a PEN sized body. Why is this such an issue. The humps on the Panasonic Gs with built in EVF only appear smaller because the rest of the body is larger.

What did people expect, a high resolution EVF to fit into a PEN-sized body like the interior of a TARDIS?

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Click to expand...

Well, I know what you mean, but this is not an add-on viewfinder, where the circuitry needs to be housed somewhere other than the camera. If you look at the hump, it's considerably higher than the viewfinder. I just can't imagine that Olympus would design it this way simply to stuff the circuitry of the viewfinder in there.

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berneck

I also agree, the hump is not containing the viewfinder, at least not a major part of it. My bet it's containing other electronics.

Some have been thinking of a hybrid viewfinder. In such a case, it could case some optics, but I seriously doubt this. I believe the viewfinder is a "tweaked" version of the VF-2.

I have also doubts that the E-M5 has a accessory port a la the Pen series, even though there is a AP-2 sign on the side of the hot shoe. The accessory port was mainly for the EVF on the Pen series. Even though there are other accessories, can't see that an accessory port is a selling point (Pen Pal, Microphone, more?) for the E-M5.

Instead I think the hump itself is a new accessory series containing the built in Pen Pal, microphone and hot shoe. Replace it with a "film/microphone hump" or "macro flash hump", or "built in pop up flash hump" or no hump. Perhaps there is already a pop-up flash underneath?

Berneck · Feb 5, 2012

yeah, I have thought about the penpal being in there as well. However, I doubt they would make it look so modular if there was simply wi-fi in there.

Three more days!
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berneck

MichaelKJ · Feb 5, 2012

Unless the VF-2 is built internally upside down, and needed the pyramid space.

This is my biggest concern. The VF-2 is quite large and the OM-D body is similar in size to the E-P3.

amalric · Feb 5, 2012

MichaelKJ said:
Unless the VF-2 is built internally upside down, and needed the pyramid space.

This is my biggest concern. The VF-2 is quite large and the OM-D body is similar in size to the E-P3.

That is why I think NEX 7 has it right. But perhaps that would have hurt Oly's pride.

Am.

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jharvey · Feb 5, 2012

Berneck said:
Cephalotus said:

Berneck said:

How cool would that be?!!,

Click to expand...

Suuuper cool...

...until you mount an FL-50 and the whole thing brakes apart. I heavily doubt that the hotshoe can be removed, because mechanical forces are extremely high on that part.

Click to expand...

Hmm you have a point there. Although, I have to imagine flashes were pretty heavy back when the OM-1 was around. Has anybody had any experience with the OM-1?
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berneck

I used a Sunpak Autozoom 3000 on my OM1 for years. (You can see a picture of it on what looks like an old Nikkormat here -

.)

The all-direction-'swivelable' flash was as big as the camera, which made the combination decidedly top-heavy, but the shoe never gave me any trouble at all. And I LOVED being able to take the attachment off when I wasn't using it, since the hotshoe is always the first thing to catch on whatever bag you're trying to take it out of or put it in to.

Do I think, that's a removable hotshoe on the EM5? No. But I'd be happy if it was.

Dheorl · Feb 5, 2012

If the newest pic on 43 rumours with all the stuff laid out is anything to go by it is nothing but a simple accessory port (which is also needed for a flash, seeing as the camera doesn't see to have one built in).

Digital Dick · Feb 5, 2012

The OM-1 had a fixed hot shoe but the OM-2 and OM-4 versions had removable hot shoes to accommodate the two Olympus flashes (the T20 and the larger T32). There was an extra contact point added for the T32 flash).
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amalric · Feb 5, 2012

Dheorl said:
If the newest pic on 43 rumours with all the stuff laid out is anything to go by it is nothing but a simple accessory port (which is also needed for a flash, seeing as the camera doesn't see to have one built in).

Therefore it would be very nice if it could be removed when you want to be without a bag and unobtrusive.

Modular would have an entirely new meaning at Oly.

Am.
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jharvey · Feb 5, 2012

Digital **** said:
The OM-1 had a fixed hot shoe but the OM-2 and OM-4 versions had removable hot shoes to accommodate the two Olympus flashes (the T20 and the larger T32). There was an extra contact point added for the T32 flash).
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Sorry no. The OM-1 (which is still sitting about 5 feet from me as I type) DID have the removable hotshoe, and was the ONLY model that had the removable hotshoe. See below

(Another reason I'd be surprised if they did do the removable hotshoe with the EM-5, since they didn't do it with the OM-2, 3 and 4.)

Later hotshoes -including the removable OM-1 model did indeed have extra contacts, but they were permanently mounted on the 2, 3, and 4.

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