OM-D : which sensor??? Is it official???

Pixnat2 said:

I'm amazed that many posters are saying everywhere :

The OM-D has the GX1 sensor, it's a piece of ....!!!

Is it official??? or it's just a rumor spread by 43 Rumors site???

Anyone has a real news?
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kiri said:

Are there any actual side by side comparisons of low ISO (and High ISO) shots from the GH2 sensor vs GX1 sensor?
Not graphs, actual comparison pictures.

I want to see exactly what everyone is fussing over

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kiri said:

Well I looked at the GH2 review and added the G3 to the list of compared cameras in DR here:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/PanasonicDMCGH2/page12.asp

Doesn't this show that the G3 sensor actually has slightly better DR than GH2??
And about the same as the canon 60D.

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Louis_Dobson said:

Won't be "official" until the 8th.

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Louis_Dobson said:

The cat is well and truly out of the bag now though, but if you only believe official announcements, then you'll have to wait.

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Louis_Dobson said:

I don't think anyone is saying the GX1 sensor is a POS. But the two design goals seem to be cheap, and good at high ISO, at the expense of low ISO DR.

That doesn't make it a POS.

It does make it just the sort of sensor I don't want though, and clearly a lot of people feel the same.

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Louis_Dobson said:

Pixnat2 said:

I'm amazed that many posters are saying everywhere :

The OM-D has the GX1 sensor, it's a piece of ....!!!

Is it official??? or it's just a rumor spread by 43 Rumors site???

Anyone has a real news?
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Cheers,

Frederic
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Pixnat2 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

Won't be "official" until the 8th.

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Ok, so what a fuss about a rumor!

Pixnat2 said:

The cat is well and truly out of the bag now though, but if you only believe official announcements, then you'll have to wait.

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Of course I don't believe rumors.

Pixnat2 said:

I don't think anyone is saying the GX1 sensor is a POS. But the two design goals seem to be cheap, and good at high ISO, at the expense of low ISO DR.

That doesn't make it a POS.

It does make it just the sort of sensor I don't want though, and clearly a lot of people feel the same.

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I will not be happy if it's really the GX1 sensor.

Of course I would prefer the GH2 sensor too. I don't give a sh*t about ISO 64000000 and would prefer better DR.

But hey, we don't know yet which sensor it is!

Rumors (again) told that video is better than the GH2, which is clearly NOT the case of the GX1. That could be a clue that it's not the GX1 sensor!

Pixnat2 said:

Pixnat2 said:

I'm amazed that many posters are saying everywhere :

The OM-D has the GX1 sensor, it's a piece of ....!!!

Is it official??? or it's just a rumor spread by 43 Rumors site???

Anyone has a real news?
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Cheers,

Frederic
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Louis_Dobson said:

There is a point here that is worth emphasising. The limitations of the sensor will only show up if you shoot RAW and push and pull your images. I do do that, and I'm devastated. But 99% of people do not, and many of the people complaining do not even understand, let alone need, what is missing.

Two shots. The one will be fine on this cam, the other probably won't. I do both

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Wellington100 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

There is a point here that is worth emphasising. The limitations of the sensor will only show up if you shoot RAW and push and pull your images. I do do that, and I'm devastated. But 99% of people do not, and many of the people complaining do not even understand, let alone need, what is missing.

Two shots. The one will be fine on this cam, the other probably won't. I do both

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I really love this shot you took, I have seen it before but looking at it again, it does seem to me that even the D3 has blown the highlights on those shards of light coming in from the right.

I checked on DXO and was surprised at how much lower the DR is on the D3 than it is on the D5100/D7000, there is a stop and a half difference between these cameras.

The current generation of Sony sensors have really ramped up their DR performance

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Louis_Dobson said:

I think you have to read rumour sites carefully. When it says "Has better video than GH2!" that's clearly some fool getting over excited.

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Louis_Dobson said:

When it says multiple sources have said it has GX1 sensor, and we all knew that anyway, then it seems pretty much certain.

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Louis_Dobson said:

But, OK, wait if you like!

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Pixnat2 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

I think you have to read rumour sites carefully. When it says "Has better video than GH2!" that's clearly some fool getting over excited.

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Probably

Pixnat2 said:

When it says multiple sources have said it has GX1 sensor, and we all knew that anyway, then it seems pretty much certain.

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Quote from this infamous site :

"But from what I have been told it looks like the E-M5 uses the same GX1 sensor."

Well, it's a pretty reliable info

Pixnat2 said:

But, OK, wait if you like!

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I hope Oly would not make this mistake!

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Louis_Dobson said:

Do they get a choice?

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Louis_Dobson said:

I've always been convinced they would use the GX1 sensor. But until yesterday I assumed the GX1 sensor was more or less the same thing as the GH2 sensor.

Turns out it is not. A much lower rent item it seems, and not my sort of thing at all.

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Louis_Dobson said:

Well, we shall see....

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Louis_Dobson said:

Pixnat2 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

I think you have to read rumour sites carefully. When it says "Has better video than GH2!" that's clearly some fool getting over excited.

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Probably

Louis_Dobson said:

When it says multiple sources have said it has GX1 sensor, and we all knew that anyway, then it seems pretty much certain.

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Quote from this infamous site :

"But from what I have been told it looks like the E-M5 uses the same GX1 sensor."

Well, it's a pretty reliable info

Louis_Dobson said:

But, OK, wait if you like!

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I hope Oly would not make this mistake!

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kiri said:

Ok so where can I find a RAW comparison then?

I also only shoot RAW, and like to push things in post, so it is something I am interested in finding out. Just how much DR difference is there between GH2 and GX1 RAW output. Has anyone actually tried pulling the RAW files from both cameras in post and seeing what the result is?

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Louis_Dobson said:

On the graphs and numbers, supposedly 0.77EV.

But

a) Do you trust these numbers?

b) Oly will be doing the support electronics, and hopefully they have more of a clue than Panny.

No, I don't have the RAWs. I only twigged yesterday that the GX1 and the GH2 sensors were utterly different, so no time to organise it.

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Pixnat2 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

Do they get a choice?

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Don't know. It seems that the agreement about sensors between Olympus and Panasonic sensor was over early 2011, but I admit, it's probably a cr*ppy rumor from the same site, never seen this statement to be official.

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Nibb31 said:

Pixnat2 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

Do they get a choice?

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Don't know. It seems that the agreement about sensors between Olympus and Panasonic sensor was over early 2011, but I admit, it's probably a cr*ppy rumor from the same site, never seen this statement to be official.

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Most of the leaks on these rumor sites come from the marketing dept of the company. Anyone else would either be violating an NDA (and therefore would put their business in danger of never getting an NDA from Olympus again) or risking their job. In reality, whoever is sending in those partial pics of the camera either has a full picture of it, or has the actual camera. The fact that they are leaking small controlled tidbits of information on a regular basis and crops of pictures indicates that they just playing games and generating hype for the real product release.

So yes, the leaks that you get on those rumor sites in the couple of weeks ramping up to a product release usually prove to be pretty accurate, because they are from official sources. This has been true for most of the recent product announcements.

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Louis_Dobson said:

Yes. I should have done more research on the D3, another cam biased towards high ISO. The D800 will be the kiddie...

Wellington100 said:

Louis_Dobson said:

There is a point here that is worth emphasising. The limitations of the sensor will only show up if you shoot RAW and push and pull your images. I do do that, and I'm devastated. But 99% of people do not, and many of the people complaining do not even understand, let alone need, what is missing.

Two shots. The one will be fine on this cam, the other probably won't. I do both

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I really love this shot you took, I have seen it before but looking at it again, it does seem to me that even the D3 has blown the highlights on those shards of light coming in from the right.

I checked on DXO and was surprised at how much lower the DR is on the D3 than it is on the D5100/D7000, there is a stop and a half difference between these cameras.

The current generation of Sony sensors have really ramped up their DR performance

Louis_Dobson said:

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