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X S1 review with samples and orbs

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Mr Farno said:
If that shot was taken with the X10 you would have jumped in rubbished it within 3 threads because you had 4 and they were all rubbish Blah...Blah...Blah.
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It is a crap shot, but I had already read that review so it's old news to me, Oh and the X10 is rubbish.
Mr Farno said:
So now you have the XS-1 you seem to accept it's dodgy IQ (even though it's the same sensor)
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I don't like orbs full stop but the X-S1 is a different type of camera. The X10 is a carry everywhere compact that is "the camera you have with you" so needs to be able to cope with all situations. The X-S1 is not something I would have in my pocket and need to grab that nice night scene that I have just stumbled across.

I've only used it during the day and try as I may I can't get an orb out of it so for it's intended use it's passed its test.
Mr Farno said:
I suppose next week when you have sent 3 back you will be on here telling us all what a load of junk it is and hijacking all the XS-1 threads like you did with the X10.
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When and if that time comes you can throw that in my face, but until then.....
Mr Farno said:
Can't wait.....
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Looks like you will have too. ;)

Paul.
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PAUL TILL said:
Mr Farno said:
If that shot was taken with the X10 you would have jumped in rubbished it within 3 threads because you had 4 and they were all rubbish Blah...Blah...Blah.
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It is a crap shot, but I had already read that review so it's old news to me, Oh and the X10 is rubbish.
PAUL TILL said:
So now you have the XS-1 you seem to accept it's dodgy IQ (even though it's the same sensor)
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I don't like orbs full stop but the X-S1 is a different type of camera. The X10 is a carry everywhere compact that is "the camera you have with you" so needs to be able to cope with all situations. The X-S1 is not something I would have in my pocket and need to grab that nice night scene that I have just stumbled across.

I've only used it during the day and try as I may I can't get an orb out of it so for it's intended use it's passed its test.
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There have been many X10 owners who have said the same thing - that for their particular shooting style, orbs have not been a problem and, for them, the camera has passed its test. But they have been villified for saying this.

I don't think you can compare a compact camera with one that is more technically sophisticated - but if both cameras have the same sensors, and are displaying the same specular highlights, then some comparison is justified. Therefore, I don't understand why you are saying the X-10 is "rubbish" if it's major fault is the orb issue - which the X-S1 also has.
 
Another sales/returns disaster in the works for Fuji!
Can't they just nail it and not release orb problem cameras?
 
Jade Willow said:
There have been many X10 owners who have said the same thing - that for their particular shooting style, orbs have not been a problem and, for them, the camera has passed its test. But they have been villified for saying this.

I don't think you can compare a compact camera with one that is more technically sophisticated - but if both cameras have the same sensors, and are displaying the same specular highlights, then some comparison is justified. Therefore, I don't understand why you are saying the X-10 is "rubbish" if it's major fault is the orb issue - which the X-S1 also has.
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vilified for the attitude, i.e. I don't get them so either you don't know how to use your camera or I'm just light years better than you. Those people still post saying they only got one in 2000 shots...and if you look at a lot of the exifs you see that they were shot at iso 800 in good light (P mode auto everything)...so if that makes them way better photographers...well...okay.

and the build quality of the X10 has a few hiccups that is incongruous with the much acclaimed made in japan banner and advertising hoopla....the sensor is the same but the orbs being rendered by the XS1 aren't as severe as the X10. I dare say it is the brighter lens of the X10 which is allowing this blooming to get out of hand. Hoping the promised firmware will make all X10s and XS1s great cameras for all to enjoy and use.

wj
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Magic halley said:
And the orb's! I don't mind!!! I don't do noghtshots very often and I am not a pixel peeper, so I even like the nightshots!!!
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Unfortunately you don't need to be a "pixel peeper" to see the orbs. You just need normal vision.

Many wouldn't complain half as much if you couldn't see them without pixel peeping.

I swear, when I read some of the excuses made for Fuji here I think Fuji is the "Happy Snapper" market leader.

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wymjym said:
vilified for the attitude, i.e. I don't get them so either you don't know how to use your camera or I'm just light years better than you. Those people still post saying they only got one in 2000 shots...and if you look at a lot of the exifs you see that they were shot at iso 800 in good light (P mode auto everything)...so if that makes them way better photographers...well...okay.
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I'm simply pointing out the fact regarding Paul's statement: "I've only used it during the day and try as I may I can't get an orb out of it so for it's intended use it's passed its test" that X-10 users who stated similar sentiments were called "Fanboys" and shot down in flames. And seeing how Paul was one of the most prolific "flame-throwers", I'm surprised that he opted for the X-S1.
wymjym said:
and the build quality of the X10 has a few hiccups that is incongruous with the much acclaimed made in japan banner and advertising hoopla....the sensor is the same but the orbs being rendered by the XS1 aren't as severe as the X10. I dare say it is the brighter lens of the X10 which is allowing this blooming to get out of hand. Hoping the promised firmware will make all X10s and XS1s great cameras for all to enjoy and use.
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I disagree that the X-S1 orbs look less severe - there have been quite a few photos where the orbs look equally objectionable. And I don't have any problems with my X-10 build quality (I like it better than my G10). But I certainly hope that a Firmware fix can address the issue and why Fuji has decided to release another camera with this problem is beyond all reasoning.
 
Jade Willow said:
wymjym said:
vilified for the attitude, i.e. I don't get them so either you don't know how to use your camera or I'm just light years better than you. Those people still post saying they only got one in 2000 shots...and if you look at a lot of the exifs you see that they were shot at iso 800 in good light (P mode auto everything)...so if that makes them way better photographers...well...okay.
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I'm simply pointing out the fact regarding Paul's statement: "I've only used it during the day and try as I may I can't get an orb out of it so for it's intended use it's passed its test" that X-10 users who stated similar sentiments were called "Fanboys" and shot down in flames. And seeing how Paul was one of the most prolific "flame-throwers", I'm surprised that he opted for the X-S1.
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gottcha, I understand now
Jade Willow said:
Jade Willow said:
and the build quality of the X10 has a few hiccups that is incongruous with the much acclaimed made in japan banner and advertising hoopla....the sensor is the same but the orbs being rendered by the XS1 aren't as severe as the X10. I dare say it is the brighter lens of the X10 which is allowing this blooming to get out of hand. Hoping the promised firmware will make all X10s and XS1s great cameras for all to enjoy and use.
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I disagree that the X-S1 orbs look less severe - there have been quite a few photos where the orbs look equally objectionable. And I don't have any problems with my X-10 build quality (I like it better than my G10). But I certainly hope that a Firmware fix can address the issue and why Fuji has decided to release another camera with this problem is beyond all reasoning.
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well, Paul crowned me the daytime orb king (probably for the silver merc shot) and I'll be determining just how bad the XS1 is in this regard...(battery charged and waiting on UPS delivery).

wj
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Maybe the fact they HAVE released it despite the orbs is an indication they DO think the orbs are fixable in firmware.

That's the glass half full approach.

If that's not the case they are a company with few ethics. And that's the glass completely empty reality if it turns out to be the case.

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GaryJP said:
Maybe the fact they HAVE released it despite the orbs is an indication they DO think the orbs are fixable in firmware.

That's the glass half full approach.

If that's not the case they are a company with few ethics. And that's the glass completely empty reality if it turns out to be the case.
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But why wouldn't they have released the new camera with the new firmware?

Anyway, I'm not letting the whole thing worry me - I'm too concerned with laptop problems at the moment, I'm on to my third in twelve months.
 
that's exactly what I meant last time when I ask you do you think the orbs look bigger and possibly manufactured. In this shot it looks like PP with flare around the light very strange.

Lets hope for the sage of Fuji they can do better, no one will bring any trust to buy another so called high market X camera if they treat their customer like that.

It is one thing to design something good but a whole world can fall apart if they don't fix what they released to the market and / or maintain. The word will go out and fuji dream is out the door as well to become number1,2,3 or even 10 in the camera manufacturing world. It is not just the high end which will suffer as the word goes out the average consumer will hear only stay away from Fuji and the advanced for sure know which models but they don't bring in the money. The advanced users will deliver the word to the world.
Courtesy Neocamera. in one word "Strange occasional blooming"

 
Mr Farno said:
Without doubt, thet is one of the worst pics I have ever seen.
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Well if you're going to pixel peep, I mean come ON. You can post-process it - or actually it has a kind of neat effect.

So what if it looks like a radioactive version of the Lawrence Welk show?
 
Midwest said:
Mr Farno said:
Without doubt, thet is one of the worst pics I have ever seen.
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Well if you're going to pixel peep, I mean come ON. You can post-process it - or actually it has a kind of neat effect.

So what if it looks like a radioactive version of the Lawrence Welk show?
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Joking aside, the fact that the X-S1 produces ORBS is profoundly disappointing. Apparently Fujifilm hasnt learned anything yet and will still rely on suckers to buy their defective cameras.

$800 is a HUGE amount of money to pay for a defective camera.

This week I shopped around, found the best price for the X-S1 and was just waiting to pull the trigger. Fujifilm you have certainly LOST A SALE .

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GaryJP said:
Maybe the fact they HAVE released it despite the orbs is an indication they DO think the orbs are fixable in firmware.

That's the glass half full approach.

If that's not the case they are a company with few ethics. And that's the glass completely empty reality if it turns out to be the case.
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I'm not sure that's a good strategy for Fuji. Review cameras will be going out (if they are not already sent out) and it could damage their reputation as the orb issue will surely be spotted and reported on.

And in turn that is likely to put off quite a few potential buyers.

If it is fixable in firmware they're taking their time on it X10 has been out a while now and if they let it roll on for months longer it won't help them.

I do feel sorry for those who bought it not knowing the problem the X10 looks like a fine camera in other ways.

But I would not put up with this issue myself I'd return the camera

I wonder how many have taken their cameras back because of this?
 
Barry Fitzgerald said:
GaryJP wrote:
But I would not put up with this issue myself I'd return the camera

I wonder how many have taken their cameras back because of this?
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Many. From what I've seen.

I might not take it back. But I won't get fooled again by Fuji.

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MarioV said:
ok you dont mind the orbs. What about the distortion of the leaning buildings?
This camera will make the Leaning Tower of Piza topple over!
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Shooting wide or with a fisheye with a film cam will produce the same problem.
That's the nature of wide angle.

Even PaintShopPro can decently deal with it in PP. I've done it, and i suck at PP and am colorblind.

Most use some version of a much more expensive program though, photoshop, Elements.

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