State of the union in SD-1 processing...

Sorry, but since you posted the image to the public, you might as well be opened to what other people see...
Of course, I expect no less. That is why I publish them.
This image at 0 sharpening has the same bayer look i talked about in the other thread...do you really think this image is any sharper or detailed than a 20mp bayer sensor camera?...
Definitely sharper than a 20MP bayer
Bo11ocks. You've obviously not seen anything from a D3X or from an M9 for that matter.
Bo11ocks. I do use Sony a900 on almost daily basis. The SD1 is capable of producing better/deeper/sharper shots. You've obviously have not been using a SD1.
Bo11ocks back. I said a D3X, NOT an A900. Same sensor but very different output.

No - Haven't used an SD1. I'm not part of the innter circle, nor am I privileged enough to have been given one.
 
Love your jaggies, Man.

Whooops! There are NO jaggies - at least according to ykw.
Sorry, english is not my native language. What's your point?

Did you consider that these are 400% crops to show the difference in SPP sharpening?
My point is, that no matter how rubbish the images are, the shills will not be able to see jaggies etc.
 
The person you really want to join this discussion is the guy who writes the SPP software. Without him, a lot of what people say will be guesswork.
Not guesswork at all, systematic examination and reverse engineering - like the excellent example showing the difference in sharpening.

Any black box can be approximated by enough study of inputs and outputs.
You're a very funny man, Kendall. You don't moonlight as a stand-up comedian, by any chance?
 
Hi all,

I wanted to have a thread where people simply got together and discussed current techniques for processing SD-1 images.
Rather an esoteric gathering. An extremely limited one too, I'll warrant.
The person you really want to join this discussion is the guy who writes the SPP software. Without him, a lot of what people say will be guesswork.
True. True. There are those who don't care for anything BUT guesswork though ;-)
 
Hi all,

I wanted to have a thread where people simply got together and discussed current techniques for processing SD-1 images.

I appreciate any thoughts anyone has, and I think it will help everyone else.

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Are you seriously interested in discussing SD1 processing techniques or is this a thread devoted to bragging rights for the handful of people who could afford an SD1? Due to the SD1 being substantially unaffordable for almost everyone on this forum, how many people do you think this is going to help?
I think he is and I think it is going to help more people than you'd think. There are quite some SD1 users who do read here regularly but do not post anymore because of the pollution created by answers like yours above.

Maybe it is time to start a SD1 user forum... At least I am getting pretty sick and tired of this complaining and not "allowing" us to discuss SD1 topics and issues.
I certainly don't believe anyone has suggested your discussion should be disallowed. I, and others have suggested the participants will be limited in number, is all.
 
Why do you care? I don't own an SD1, but I was able to borrow one for awhile.
Chuck

Don't bit my head off, but I saw the images from the SD1 you posted (they were fine) but I'm absolutely buggered if I could see any difference between those images and the images you have previously posted from your other Sigma cameras.

The brutal truth is that an extra $6k or so is NOT going to make anyone's photos look like magic.
 
Why do you care? I don't own an SD1, but I was able to borrow one for awhile.
Chuck

Don't bit my head off, but I saw the images from the SD1 you posted (they were fine) but I'm absolutely buggered if I could see any difference between those images and the images you have previously posted from your other Sigma cameras.

The brutal truth is that an extra $6k or so is NOT going to make anyone's photos look like magic.
For what it's worth, I can see a difference. And the truly brutal truth is that the SD1 images I posted were crops.
 
Don't bit my head off, but I saw the images from the SD1 you posted (they were fine) but I'm absolutely buggered if I could see any difference between those images and the images you have previously posted from your other Sigma cameras.

The brutal truth is that an extra $6k or so is NOT going to make anyone's photos look like magic.
For what it's worth, I can see a difference. And the truly brutal truth is that the > SD1 images I posted were crops.
Rightoh. Whatever you say.
 
The 'Highlight Correction' slider works only in 'clipped' areas, like overexposed skies. (Best visible after trying to save the sky with fill light or after pulling down exposure.)
Unfortunately it can produce color cast.

 
There is a noticeably difference.
Because you say so?

Where I come from, such statements need to be backed with some type of empirical evidence.
Don't blame me if you're not able to see the difference.

(In my opinion this is not really a good qualification to discuss about image quality of cameras)

A little help: load the images into photoshop (two layers) and switch pictures.
 
There is a noticeably difference.
Because you say so?

Where I come from, such statements need to be backed with some type of empirical evidence.
Don't blame me if you're not able to see the difference.

(In my opinion this is not really a good qualification to discuss about image quality of cameras)

A little help: load the images into photoshop (two layers) and switch pictures.
I rather enjoy taking pictures and spending minimal time tweaking them on the computer. I do not want to spend my days tooling about with the files to make them presentable. Presentable straight out of the camera is preferable.
 
What color mode are you guys using?
I always use Neutral.
Lately I am tending towards the use of landscape. Since 5.2 you don't loose so much highlights anymore as before. I like the punch it gives. I do dial the contrast sometimes a bit down though.
Then I export the image as a 16bit TIFF in the Adobe RGB or ProPhoto RGB Color space.
Same here but ProPhotoRGB. Any big difference you've found between the two? I stopped using the JPG output from SPP altogether. It produces really bad posterization artifacts :(
I also only output JPG from Aperture, not SPP (I had not noticed posterization from that).
Try it just for fun... The difference can enormous.
One more question I have; what are your thoughts about the color modes and how do you use them/not use them?
As noted, I just use Neutral - I think Rick uses the other color modes at times.
What colorspace do you use in SPP itself? And does it affect processing a lot?
I have the "Working Color Space" set to ProPhoto as I figured it would offer the most latitude for edits made... but I have never tested for difference between using a more limited working color space to see if you can really introduce posterization with edits in a smaller space...
OK, same here.
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do you realize it didnt work, dont you? its better to have a clipped area than this ugly work around...
The 'Highlight Correction' slider works only in 'clipped' areas, like overexposed skies. (Best visible after trying to save the sky with fill light or after pulling down exposure.)
Unfortunately it can produce color cast.

 
The 'Highlight Correction' slider works only in 'clipped' areas, like overexposed skies. (Best visible after trying to save the sky with fill light or after pulling down exposure.)
Unfortunately it can produce color cast.

That's really interesting, I had not noticed that before... I'll have to experiment further and see when it introduces color casts. It seemed like it was neutral to me...

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do you realize it didnt work, dont you? its better to have a clipped area than this ugly work around...
It doesn't give you back lost highlights but the clipping gets smoother.
Thats all i want to show. whether you like it or not ;)
 
sorry, but thinking i dont uderstand...you mean in the first from left to right, the clipping gets smoother? i hope im getting it wrong....or do you mean the other two (without highlight correction) are better, smoother....? (IMO are much better than the first one)
do you realize it didnt work, dont you? its better to have a clipped area than this ugly work around...
It doesn't give you back lost highlights but the clipping gets smoother.
Thats all i want to show. whether you like it or not ;)
 
The left one is the original (standard) position.
The middle is corrected using "neutralize" position.
And the right one is after removing the color cast in photoshop.

Without this slider it would look like the left (first) sample.
 
aha....now i get it...by the photos it looked the opposite...
The left one is the original (standard) position.
The middle is corrected using "neutralize" position.
And the right one is after removing the color cast in photoshop.

Without this slider it would look like the left (first) sample.
 

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